ricksfolly
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More men are stepping up and doing household duties and more child rearing than ever, so I would disagree with the maid and income comment. Plus, many women keep a portion of their income for themselves and only put in some to half, for isntance, into the families bills.
Regarding the stress of modern living, it is all the fault of the people that play that game. Move somewhere less expensive. Get one job. Have one car. Don't buy so much stuff. Save instead of going on vacations. There are a lot of things that people do that make their own lives more stressful when they could simply do less. Life is what you make it...
That's not what I said at all.
Some people put pressure on a woman (see woman's lib or SAHM movements) to do things, that she may not want to do.
It is up to each woman, individually to decide that.
I've actually thought about this in regards to my own wife. She has a career whereby she would not have to depend on me for anything if something were to happen to us, two beautiful healthy boys, a husband that does quite a bit of work both inside and outside the house and yet she still finds something to complain about every single day.
At least I am trying to come up with reasons to explain the statistic, instead of just saying that it's a woman's nature to be dissatisfied, or that the kinds of things women are doing these days go against their inner nature. With comments like that you'd swear the feminist movement never happened. Maybe women are still relatively unhappy because a lot of men are still holding a marginalizing mentality toward them.
Of course, as a single mom, there aren't a lot of people who can make me feel bad about having to work, although there are a few SAHMs who have tried. My kids are okay with me working, they've never known anything else. I can't personally imagine making choices that would make me completely financially dependent on someone else. That would be scary to me.
My mom who is 64 was telling me about that, how the feminists, of which she was one in the 60's and early 70's, put so much pressure on women that it became really rude and intense. Feminists insulted woment that wanted to stay at home, or have secretary careers, etc. My mom got so sick of it that she that she quit and changed her mindset a lot regarding women's roles.
This is exactly why I say happiness is a chioce.
Funny you should say all of the above, as sometimes WOHMs try to make me feel inferior for being "completely financially dependent on someone else." I think it all comes down to the old saying that no one can really make you feel anything. If someone has a problem with you for how you live your life, it's their problem. I skimmed the article, and what I got out of that is what we already know. You gotta do what's right for you and your responsibilities. If someone doesn't respect what you do, so what?
I don't know who all these women are who are so unhappy with their lives per that article. I would think as a women, I'd know a few. :shrug:
I didn't mean to be rude or anything... I was just countering your argument. I agree wtih your methodology and in no way am asserting that it's a woman's nature to be dissatisfied.
Not for everyone it's not.
Do what makes you happy is all I'm saying.
Some women want to be SAHM's other don't, I don't give a crap as long as you're happy.
My wife has all the choice in the world, she can continue to be a SAHM or she can work to do anything she wants.
It doesn't bother me as long as she is happy and our relationship is good.
My mom who is 64 was telling me about that, how the feminists, of which she was one in the 60's and early 70's, put so much pressure on women that it became really rude and intense. Feminists insulted woment that wanted to stay at home, or have secretary careers, etc. My mom got so sick of it that she that she quit and changed her mindset a lot regarding women's roles.
Then they need to see their doctor and deal with their depression.
I would love to have someone to rely on financially. My boyfriend is working on grad school right now, and when he finishes, we've talked about moving out west. It's scary to me to think about being dependent on him, though. My life has taught me that it's dangerous, but he's a responsible person, and I think I actually COULD rely on him. It's just hard to think about, because of everything with my ex.
My daughter's boyfriend's mom is a SAH mom. She is constantly making bitchy little comments about the fact that I work, and travel for work. I just chalk it up to her being a bitch and leave it at that.
I do believe that.
I used to own my own company and was used to a certain respect. When I became a SAHM, I was stunned at how some people started talking down to me. I fired a realtor because she would only address my husband unless we were talking about kitchens. I have always been the one to decide on real estate. Not only to I understand the market, I am the one who runs the house matters.
(I'm gonna toss a wink in here at Catz, because I know both she and I feel passionate about this subject. While we're both living opposite sides of the working mom fence, I'm sure she & I both feel the same way about choice. So before anything gets too heated, I want to be clear that while women may make different choices, that doesn't mean we don't respect each other).
Well then that seals it. You're going to marry this guy because she sounds like the quintessential mother in law.
I would like to say on the topic, however, they real feminists don't really want to force women to be career gals.
Why aren't women happy???
Regarding the stress of modern living, it is all the fault of the people that play that game. Move somewhere less expensive. Get one job. Have one car. Don't buy so much stuff. Save instead of going on vacations. There are a lot of things that people do that make their own lives more stressful when they could simply do less. Life is what you make it...
Those things don't cause unhappiness. Frankly, some of the unhappiest people I know are wealthy.I'm not talking about clinical depression. I'm talking about lack of money or other things that cause unhappiness.
Those things don't cause unhappiness. Frankly, some of the unhappiest people I know are wealthy.
There is a correlation between wealth and happiness.
Wealthy folks tend to be happier from what I've read.
I think it has less to do with the actual money and more to do with self actualization.
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