Why are you supporting Obama?

[Resplendent Independent]

Where did you get your PHD, a coke machine?


He does:


Obama's speech on race:

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.





and then the next day he excuses her racism as being "typical of white people" which in an of itself is a racist statment.

You are not going to squirm your way out of your lie. You said that he said racism is typical of white people. His actual statement as you pointed out a few posts above is that his grandmother does NOT hold any racial animosity. These are opposite statements. You completely misrepresented his statement to imply he is racist.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

You are not going to squirm your way out of your lie. You said that he said racism is typical of white people. His actual statement as you pointed out a few posts above is that his grandmother does NOT hold any racial animosity. These are opposite statements. You completely misrepresented his statement to imply he is racist.

It takes you a little longer doesnt it. :lol:



He said in his speech:


but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.



I.e. made racist comments, an acted in fear over her racism.


Then obama in a radio interview described that behavior as:

"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know. . .there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way." -Obama



So now we have his racist grandmother, and Obama himself making racist and bigoted remarks that typical white people "fear" black men, and "racial or ethnic stereotypes"


What are you failing to grasp?

 

[Resplendent Independent]

It takes you a little longer doesnt it. :lol:



He said in his speech:


but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.



I.e. made racist comments, an acted in fear over her racism.


Then obama in a radio interview described that behavior as:

"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know. . .there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way." -Obama



So now we have his racist grandmother, and Obama himself making racist and bigoted remarks that typical white people "fear" black men, and "racial or ethnic stereotypes"


What are you failing to grasp?

I'm not asking for your INTERPRETATION of what Obama said. I'm asking you to stop lying and misquoting him. You said he said that racism is typical of a white person. In fact he said that his grandmother does not hold racial animosity which is typical of a white person. You deliberately misrepresented his quote and lied about it.

I don't see how you expect people to take you seriously when you provide lies like this in your quotes. Now you are saying that his statement that a "reaction" of his grandmother to black people is akin to racism. That is your OPINION, but you need to state it as so. He did not say that she was racist and he went out of his way to in fact say that she was not racist.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I'm not asking for your INTERPRETATION of what Obama said. I'm asking you to stop lying and misquoting him. You said he said that racism is typical of a white person. In fact he said that his grandmother does not hold racial animosity which is typical of a white person. You deliberately misrepresented his quote and lied about it.

I see you are nothing more than another "how can I get on my knees for you" Obama supporter.

I did not misquote him. not only did I quote him I backed it up, yet you still want to call me a liar and act like a juvenile puke. Fine by me man.

I don't see how you expect people to take you seriously when you provide lies like this in your quotes. Now you are saying that his statement that a "reaction" of his grandmother to black people is akin to racism. That is your OPINION, but you need to state it as so. He did not say that she was racist and he went out of his way to in fact say that she was not racist.

I think your mancrush on obama is affecting your judgment.

 

[Resplendent Independent]

No reason to attack me, I'm just pointing out your lie. It is your choice to deny it. You clearly stated that Obama said that racism is typical of white people. This is a lie.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No reason to attack me, I'm just pointing out your lie. It is your choice to deny it. You clearly stated that Obama said that racism is typical of white people. This is a lie.

And I proved it. You sir, then choose to infer that I am a liar. Which is an attack, a baseless one at that.


Chew your own medicine doc.

 

[Thorgasm]

And I proved it. You sir, then choose to infer that I am a liar. Which is an attack, a baseless one at that.


Chew your own medicine doc.

I realize that this is your favorite argument, but you are wrong. It's been pointed out to you numerous times.

 

[BWG]

There is nothing fair about taking choice away from the citezenry by the ruling elite to provide dmv level healthcare.

What choice is Obama proposing to take from you?

What health care is Obama proposing to provide?

And while we starve, we will have to wait for VA style health care.

The National Committee for Quality Assurance today ranks health-care plans on 17 different performance measures.

Winning NCQA's seal of approval is the gold standard in the health-care industry. And who do you suppose this year's winner is: Johns Hopkins? Mayo Clinic? Massachusetts General? Nope. In every single category, the VHA system outperforms the highest rated non-VHA hospitals.

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He talks about health care and has a plan for a national health care system.

What health care system is he promoting?

Government hospitals?

Government doctors?

Government clinics?

Or am I misunderstanding what you are referring to as a 'health care system'?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

What choice is Obama proposing to take from you?

choice? in general? gun confiscation, my choice to my own health care choices. etc.

What health care is Obama proposing to provide?

As an obamaphile shouldn't you know?






What health care system is he promoting?

Government hospitals?[/quote]

eventually as when your only payer is the .gov, who do you think those hospitals are?

Government doctors?

Government clinics?

already have them.

Or am I misunderstanding what you are referring to as a 'health care system'?

your gonna wish for the old one back.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I realize that this is your favorite argument, but you are wrong. It's been pointed out to you numerous times.

in your very biased opinion it is "wrong" however I did not call you a liar over it.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

I dont think there is anyone older than him in politics, so thats a given.

Don't think he'll get elected, but his age shouldn't be too much of an issue, he seems in good shape mentally.

It matters considering what he said when he came back from Vietnam. It also matters as a character issue. He is willing to do anything to get ahead. And it is pretty much sure that he was "seeing" Cindy while married with he former wife.. not exactly a republican poster boy is he now.

His Ex-wife is on good terms with him, so maybe she wanted out, too. She said he was 40 going on 25 when they divorced, so I don't feel this is an issue, either. He doesn't have to be a saint to be President.

Well he was not, but now I am almost sure he is. He basicly backs BUsh and his policies almost every time.

He's pretty liberal, so who knows what he'll be like. I want to hear his policies. I know he wants to stay in Iraq which is a bummer, keep the tax cuts, but Obama also wants to keep the tax cuts, just raise them on people who make over $250,000, which to me isn't a good idea.

Whats wrong with social program spending? Its a hell of a lot better than spending billions in another country... those 23 billion known to be wasted in Iraq so far, could have been used for better things.

Social programs once started are impossible to get rid of even when they are failures. I'm not for all the money going to Iraq, either. This is a sore spot for me, so I'm really going to have to sort out these two candidates.

And frankly Obama cant do much worse than the present administration has done on spending.. it can only get better.

Just because Bush has spent a lot, mostly on this war, doesn't mean another President, if Republican, will do the same. We'll see if Obama can get us out of Iraq graciously.

It amazes me to see conservatives in the US rambling on about Obama and the left, how they will raise taxes and spending, when they themselvs have raised spending like no other goverment in US history since WW2. And McCain is not the man to change that, as he is only 1 man, and rest of the corrupt right wing neo cons are still around calling the shots.

The Democrats can be corrupt as well. They aren't gifts from heaven in all cases.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

choice? in general? gun confiscation, my choice to my own health care choices. etc. your gonna wish for the old one back.

I'd say this is a very good possibility.

 

[John1234]

choice? in general? gun confiscation, my choice to my own health care choices. etc.

Obama is only against machine guns and semi automatics that are easily turned into fully automatics.
He is also for heavier background checks. McCain voted for the same bill.
There is no Presidential Candidate remaining that opposes guns.
Obama's position on guns is a very moderate and reasonable one. McCain shares a lot of the same position.

Obama's plan does not remove your health care choices.
But it does add a choice of getting medical insurance for 50 million Americans.

your gonna wish for the old one back.

That is not very likely.
I have never had medical insurance as an adult.
Am middle aged and never even had a physical.
Health Insurance costs over double my mortgage payment.

 

[John1234]

choice? in general? gun confiscation, my choice to my own health care choices. etc.

Obama is only against machine guns and semi automatics that are easily turned into fully automatics.
He is also for heavier background checks. McCain voted for the same bill.
There is no Presidential Candidate remaining that opposes guns.
Obama's position on guns is a very moderate and reasonable one. McCain shares a lot of the same position.

Obama's plan does not remove your health care choices.
But it does add a choice of getting medical insurance for 50 million Americans.

your gonna wish for the old one back.

That is not very likely.
I have never had medical insurance as an adult.
Am middle aged and never even had a physical.
Health Insurance costs over double my mortgage payment, almost 3 times as much... and it rivals the sum total of my entire cost of living.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

Obama is only against machine guns and semi automatics that are easily turned into fully automatics.
He is also for heavier background checks. McCain voted for the same bill.
There is no Presidential Candidate remaining that opposes guns.
Obama's position on guns is a very moderate and reasonable one. McCain shares a lot of the same position.

How heavy can the background checks get? Who's gonna be out? Sounds a tad intrusive. Really it's true we should know if someone has a gun related incident, but someone who shoplifted in the third grade shouldn't have a problem getting a gun.

Obama's plan does not remove your health care choices.
But it does add a choice of getting medical insurance for 50 million Americans.

Who's paying for it? The workers? I'd say so. That's the problem with it, the worker's are going to get zapped, as usual.

That is not very likely.
I have never had medical insurance as an adult.
Am middle aged and never even had a physical.
Health Insurance costs over double my mortgage payment.

The reason you haven't had medical insurance is because you didn't want to pay for it.
You could get coverage for about $200 a month. Might not cover everything, but you can pay for some stuff out of pocket. No Health insurance pays all costs that I know of. You might have reduced rates, but it's not without some costs. We pay around $200 a month for our share of the employee costs, but we have a medical fund. When that goes, we have to pay $1500 out of pocket, after that they pay 90% we pay 10%. It's not free by any means. HC shouldn't be "free" to the "freeloaders". People have to get this "free" crap out of their heads, it's not free, somebody will still have to pay.

 

[Goobieman]

Obama is only against machine guns and semi automatics that are easily turned into fully automatics.

:roll:
Machneguns have been under tight federal control since 1934.
Which semi-automatics are those, and how do you know?

He is also for heavier background checks.

"Heavier"? define.

Obama's position on guns is a very moderate and reasonable one...

...to the anti-gun crowd.

 

[BWG]

choice? in general? gun confiscation, my choice to my own health care choices. etc.

My question was about your statement of Obama taking away your choice concerning health care.

There is nothing fair about taking choice away from the citezenry by the ruling elite to provide dmv level healthcare.

So, what health care choice is he proposing to take away?

As an obamaphile shouldn't you know?

Oh, I know. You are the one that stated...

...provide dmv level healthcare

That's why I asked...

What health care is Obama proposing to provide?

What health care system is he promoting?

Government hospitals?

Government doctors?

Government clinics?

already have them.

Surely you're not going to try to insinuate that the general population 's health care is provided by the government or that Obama is proposing that the government provide health care. Or are you?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Obama is only against machine guns and semi automatics that are easily turned into fully automatics.

Nonsense. Perhaps you need to research your canidate better.

And which semit automatics are you talking about. BTW machince guns are banned.

He is also for heavier background checks. McCain voted for the same bill.
There is no Presidential Candidate remaining that opposes guns.
Obama's position on guns is a very moderate and reasonable one. McCain shares a lot of the same position.

McCain is no friend of the 2nd either. Obama is trying to avoid Gore's fate by giving lip service to the 2nd.

Obama's plan does not remove your health care choices.
But it does add a choice of getting medical insurance for 50 million Americans.

So I need to pay for 2 sets of insurances. While that may not remove my choice as I am obscenley rich, it does however remove the choice to millions of middle class Americans.

That is not very likely.
I have never had medical insurance as an adult.
Am middle aged and never even had a physical.
Health Insurance costs over double my mortgage payment.

:lol: I think you speak from ignorance or live in a trailer.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

My question was about your statement of Obama taking away your choice concerning health care.

So, what health care choice is he proposing to take away?

See my answer to join regarding having to pay for the government health care program and my private one.

Surely you're not going to try to insinuate that the general population 's health care is provided by the government or that Obama is proposing that the government provide health care. Or are you?

Don't you think its the logical conclusion? Or are we going to amtrack the insurance companies? Same in the end,. Government socialist control.

And the soft tyranny marches on.

 

[BWG]

See my answer to join regarding having to pay for the government health care program and my private one.

OK

While that may not remove my choice as I am obscenley rich, it does however remove the choice to millions of middle class Americans.

You still fail to show how Obama is proposing to remove ANYONE'S choice concerning health care.

Obama's plan will establish a new public insurance program, available to Americans who neither qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP nor have access to insurance through their employers. It will allow small businesses to offer insurance to their employees. Obama will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help Americans and businesses that want to purchase private health insurance directly.

Sounds like Obama is offering MORE choices to middle class Americans who don't have access to affordable medical insurance through their employers; or who are unable or ineligible, due to preexisting conditions, to obtain medical insurance through a private plan.

Surely you're not going to try to insinuate that the general population 's health care is provided by the government or that Obama is proposing that the government provide health care. Or are you?

Don't you think its the logical conclusion? Or are we going to amtrack the insurance companies? Same in the end,. Government socialist control.

So, I take it that Obama isn't proposing government health care, like you claimed.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I really don't see that much difference between McCain and Obama. Both are pro-war, pro-illegal immigration.

I did hear something quite alarming in his speech last night on POTUS 08. He said that those who don't get health insurance will be $fined$. That this was part of his plan.

This is the way an Obama or McCain presidentcy will go.
The wars in the middle east will not end. Fuel cost will begin to rise again after the election. The Homeland Security measures, that have been sceduled to go into effect will be inacted. Taxes for everyone will increase. And the Government will continue to gain more unconstitutional power of us. And just about the time we all are just sick to death of it. We will have a "terrorist scare" to get us all back in line to follow "their" new rules of law.

If you really think there is a difference between Obama and McCain (or even Hillary, Huckabee, Guiliani, or Romney) then you all about as lost as a bunch of easter egg.

Day after day, debates happen in forums all over the world about American politics. Debate after debate, issue after issue. All the while, the Federal Government continues to destroy our way of life, liberties, freedoms, privacy, gun rights and many other things that once used to make this country great. Things that most of us don't even realize.
They continue to fund wars, corporations that already make huge proffits. Even those who have laid off Americans and moved their companies over seas of across the border.

They all know what bills are going to hit the floor. They all know who's going to vote on what. They all know what's going to pass and what's going to be blocked before we even know there's a bill.

 

[hrdman2luv]

If Obama wasn't racist, then tell me why, during a debate (I think in the carolina's) did he say this;

"As President, I will have a civil right division of the Federal Govenment, that will oversee local and state authorities to make sure they are prosecuting justly"

Is that not something that resembles "Affirmitive action" for criminals? Are they not going to be able to prosecute more of one race than another. Is the sheriff going to go through the jails on Saturday morning to make sure there are an equal number of whites, black, and any other?

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

If Obama wasn't racist, then tell me why, during a debate (I think in the carolina's) did he say this;

"As President, I will have a civil right division of the Federal Govenment, that will oversee local and state authorities to make sure they are prosecuting justly"

Is that not something that resembles "Affirmitive action" for criminals? Are they not going to be able to prosecute more of one race than another. Is the sheriff going to go through the jails on Saturday morning to make sure there are an equal number of whites, black, and any other?

Would this be for everyone or just minorities of color?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

OK

You still fail to show how Obama is proposing to remove ANYONE'S choice concerning health care.

Obama's plan will establish a new public insurance program, available to Americans who neither qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP nor have access to insurance through their employers. It will allow small businesses to offer insurance to their employees. Obama will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help Americans and businesses that want to purchase private health insurance directly.

Sounds like Obama is offering MORE choices to middle class Americans who don't have access to affordable medical insurance through their employers; or who are unable or ineligible, due to preexisting conditions, to obtain medical insurance through a private plan.



So, I take it that Obama isn't proposing government health care, like you claimed.

It removes choice to the middle class who will only be able to afford to pay the tax to get said health insurance over thier own.

Can I opt out of paying for this plan?

 

[Thorgasm]

If Obama wasn't racist, then tell me why, during a debate (I think in the carolina's) did he say this;

"As President, I will have a civil right division of the Federal Govenment, that will oversee local and state authorities to make sure they are prosecuting justly"

Is that not something that resembles "Affirmitive action" for criminals? Are they not going to be able to prosecute more of one race than another. Is the sheriff going to go through the jails on Saturday morning to make sure there are an equal number of whites, black, and any other?

WOW! Obtuse fits you well.