Why are the Republicans winning over the American Public?

[Logician Man]

That makes no sense.

It does if it was mirror talk.

 

[TurtleDude]

Here's the thing...

When the first words out of your mouth are, "When Mexico sends its people..." you're gonna get called a racist. Anyone can see that, including Trump.

I know liberals throw the race card left and right but gave Biden a pass when he talked about desecration and then far more recently -that if a black doesn't vote a certain way, he's not really black. So I reject your claims

 

[vesper]

That makes no sense.

It is very common when people who do not have the ability to think critically, to be left not being able to make any sense of much.

 

[gbg3]

I have a different take. Everyday folks are not on board with the stuff this administration is pushing. It has nothing to do with your constant response that it is right wing propaganda pushed by Fox News. It has everything to do with what has come out of the mouths of this administration, their policies that are making their lives a living Hell.

That's exactly what I think. Dems think they aren't successfully getting their message out or they think the GOP is louder with their message. The problem is the Dem message (clearly "messaged" by their actions) truly stinks. America is completely falling apart due to all the Dems have ushered in. Americans hate what is happening. The louder Dems get with this terrible message, the worse it will get.
You think America disliked Trump after they experienced him and their votes showed that? Just wait and see how much America dislikes current Dem policy after experiencing two years of it. Dems have got it all wrong and I truly mean all.

 

[Michael Cole]

I know liberals throw the race card left and right but gave Biden a pass when he talked about desecration and then far more recently -that if a black doesn't vote a certain way, he's not really black. So I reject your claims

Biden is irrelevant.

Those were the first words out of Trump's mouth after coming down the escalator. Do you think it's a coincidence? I don't.

 

[reflechissez]

It is very common when people who do not have the ability to think critically, to be left not being able to make any sense of much.

You didn't make it better.

 

[reflechissez]

That's exactly what I think. Dems think they aren't successfully getting their message out or they think the GOP is louder with their message. The problem is the Dem message (clearly "messaged" by their actions) truly stinks. America is completely falling apart due to all the Dems have ushered in. Americans hate what is happening. The louder Dems get with this terrible message, the worse it will get.
You think America disliked Trump after they experienced him and their votes showed that? Just wait and see how much America dislikes current Dem policy after experiencing two years of it. Dems have got it all wrong and I truly mean all.

ok

 

[Schism]

Why? Most Republicans are racists.

^^ This is just one example of what's driving reasonable and rational people away from the Democratic Party.

 

[joluoto]

Look at this video from MSNBC. Yes, MSNBC, the left-wing and far less watched version of Fox News. Steve Kornacki breaks down how awful the Democrats are doing. Pretty much every demographic is going to Republicans here -- Men, Women, College educated, Hispanics, non-educated. The only demographic noted leaning Democrat are college-educated women, and even there, it is within margin of error. What did the Democrats do so wrong for the last year and a half?

Failed to do anything is probably the answer.

 

[Exquisitor]

Has something changed since late December? Manchin has already offered to gut the '17 tax cuts.

Manchin offers to gut Trump tax cuts as atonement for killing Biden’s economic agenda

Sen. Joe Manchin III, under fire for killing President Biden’s mammoth social welfare and climate change bill, is attempting to make peace with Democrats by promising to help them blow up the Trump-era tax cuts.

www.washingtontimes.com

Ya, Biden should have done that from the start.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Why? Most Republicans are racists.

Even though the Democrats have a long history of racism, like forming the KKK and even clansmen running for election on a Democrat ticket, like Robert Byrd.
History has shown your mistaken in that regard.
They continue to say how blacks are too stupid to figure out how to vote, so we have to dumb it down for them.

 

[lurchadams]

Look at this video from MSNBC. Yes, MSNBC, the left-wing and far less watched version of Fox News. Steve Kornacki breaks down how awful the Democrats are doing. Pretty much every demographic is going to Republicans here -- Men, Women, College educated, Hispanics, non-educated. The only demographic noted leaning Democrat are college-educated women, and even there, it is within margin of error. What did the Democrats do so wrong for the last year and a half?

Very few people pay close attention to politics. Republicans, with their lies, depend on their 10 second long lying soundbites. It's the only way Republicans can win. Despite their criminality over the past 5 years their way of appealing to the lowest common denominator in people seems to have worked.

You must be very proud of your broken, evil party.

 

[lurchadams]

Looks like the majority are crazy then. I am not a fan of the current state of the GOP, but I am in the minority. Always the contrarian.

No you're not. You're a Republican. Have the courage to own it.

 

[Kenshito]

Because of the extreme hypocrisy of the American left in promoting policies that rely on discriminating against people who can't claim victim status (including Asian-Americans somehow purely for excelling in school more than other minorities lol) while screaming that they want equality, promoting hate against white people and police when over half of the murder victims in the US are black and 9 out of 10 of them are killed by other blacks (things liberals never want to talk about), canceling other people's sites, accounts and opinions and so on by calling them bigoted or simply calling them out for dissenting. That, and international large-scale events that aren't in Biden's favor such as Putin's attack on Ukraine and the fall of Afghanistan to Taliban. Not saying either of them are directly or mostly Biden's fault, but it doesn't speak well on him for them both to happen in under 2 years of his presidency.

I'm not really in favor of the American right winning the House or the board of representatives either given the radicalization that happened through moderates quitting the party when pro-Trump extremists took a shot at the Capitol, I am just skeptical that Biden is out to do anything good when he literally greenlights something called "Anti-Asian Hate Bill" while taking down Trump's lawsuit that wanted to end anti-Asian discrimination in higher education just to appeal to leftists and sheltered liberals who think leftist policies actually do what they claim they do (limit white people's representation in jobs and higher education - things they failed to achieve entirely when more white women manage to graduate through AA when they otherwise would've had a harder time making it in, while putting underqualified blacks and Latinos in schools they'd fail in).

Only things I really side with the American left on would be being more pro-immigration, but even then they've gone too far in the leftist direction the past 15-18 years.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Even though the Democrats have a long history of racism, like forming the KKK and even clansmen running for election on a Democrat ticket, like Robert Byrd.
History has shown your mistaken in that regard.
They continue to say how blacks are too stupid to figure out how to vote, so we have to dumb it down for them.

As I was saying....Republicans are racists.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

^^ This is just one example of what's driving reasonable and rational people away from the Democratic Party.

They certainly aren't joining the Republican Party. That's why all of the racists in your party voted for Trump.

 

[rickc]

Republicans tell their poorly educated racist base what they want to hear. It is reinforcing what they want to believe and establishes credibility.

Then they feed them the right wing propaganda.

It works fabulously with their poorly educated misinformed base.

 

[holbritter]

My input:

• Far too much pandering to the extreme progressive left. Imagine if Biden had visited some of the places looted during the Kenosha riots and given a solid speech, right there, about the importance of the rule of law, firmly denouncing violent rioting with no caveats, and saying loudly that the people whose businesses were burned did not deserve what happened? Sure AOC or Omar might have hate-tweeted at him, but probably a solid middle 20% of the electorate would have said "yeah, that guy gets it." Right now Biden seems more afraid of the Bernie Bros than anyone else.
• Afghanistan was a black eye. We have to call it like it is. Sure he got us out and ultimately that was the right thing to do, but it was a disorganized mess that pretty much undid the goodwill he built up with fairly good organized access to vaccines. Prior to the pull out, I knew that Trump would never sweat the details but I thought, "yeah, Biden, he'll sweat the details." After Afghanistan I realized that perhaps Biden isn't an operations master after all.
• BBB at the end of the day pissed off everyone. It already was an instant negative with the right, so nothing lost there. But, independents got pissed off by Democrats trying to shoehorn one large gigantic bill through via budgetary shenanigans, moderate Democrats got pissed off because their bill was being held hostage by both Manchin on one end and progressives on the other, and of course the progressives eventually got pissed off when BBB collapsed and they basically got nothing. Not a good look, Team D. You should have broken it into piecemeal legislation and run a new bill through every 3 weeks, instead of spending a year trying and completely failing to get the whole thing through at one.
• Kamala Harris is utterly unlikeable. I think I like Hillary Clinton more! Harris should have been the AG, Pete B should have been the VP, and someone like Elon Musk should have been asked to figure out how America can get the absolute most from that infrastructure bill. I mean I'm glad it's not the musical chairs of the Trump administration with another quitter every other week, but it's not the all-star cast I think many of us were hoping for.
• Immigration. The longer Democrats pretty much avoid talking about comprehensive immigration reform because they are afraid of splintering their own base, the more people they're going to lose. This and not BBB should have been a Year 1 goal, and if they prioritized it, they would have cemented a hold on most independents for the entire term, at the huge cost of AOC being upset on Twitter for a couple of weeks. But as they say, never doubt the Democrats' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of certain victory.
• And inflation. Sorry but it's real, it's high, and it pisses people off regardless of political affiliation.

These are my thoughts.

And none of the above makes me any less happy that the ass Donald Trump was fired in 2020 for being perhaps the crappiest President leading the crappiest administration in the history our nation. No, he's still a terrible human being. Unfortunately, Trump's terribleness only helps Biden get elected. It doesn't mean people will want to re-elect him, if the alternative is someone other than Trump.

^^This. I'd say your thoughts are right on target. I'd also add, as shown in this thread, the majority are not interested in the very real problems - instead they are too interested in insulting the other side, but will wonder what happened because they are not paying attention to real problems.

 

[Mithrae]

The main reason is independents. They have deserted Biden and company. Independents think the most important problem facing this nation today is inflation, rising gas prices, rising food prices, housing, etc. empty shelves in some stores. This problem is something that most independents think Biden and company has ignored. Biden and company’s priorities were elsewhere, their focus has been on Trump, the 1-6 hearings, the BBB, the voting rights act, other things while ignoring what independents ranked as this nations number one, most important problem. You can say, this is a self-inflicted wound.

We can imagine a scenario (and there's plenty of evidence that it is in fact the case) of a two party system in which the more right-wing party just keeps drifting further and further rightwards over the decades on most important issues, relying more and more heavily on the divisiveness and politics of fear and insecurity represented by comparatively trivial wedge issues like immigration, gay marriage, rebranded 'CRT,' transgender exclusions and - ultimately - directly antidemocratic rhetoric, voter suppression and bona fide attempted coups.

In such a scenario, it seems inevitable that there's going to be a substantial portion of the population who make the innocuous but erroneous assumption that being 'centrist' means positioning themselves somewhere between the two parties on most issues.

So inevitably, if the other party's priority is trying to govern for all citizens and therefore trying to court those pseudo-centrist votes (and let's face it, also fairly heavily influenced by the same donor/lobbying class as the more right-wing party) it seems the most obvious course of action for them is to follow the rightward shift a few steps behind, again on most important issues with those wedge issues remaining as a way to energize their own core base.

This seems to be a fundamental and perhaps inevitable flaw of any two party system that I can't see an easy way around; just wondering if you as an independent see it too? Of course in theory the same thing could happen with a leftward shift, but obviously in America most of the historic/anti-Soviet and donor/lobbying pressure tends towards the rightward shift which we've seen. Wedge issue politics and the associated tendencies of tribalism and divisiveness presumably favour more conservative/right-leaning tendencies also, rather than the inclusiveness and egalitarianism which tend to animate liberal/left-leaning politics at its best. Instinctively, my feeling is that Democrats should stop playing chase behind the Republicans and instead define their own identity as a more genuinely centrist party committed to tackling the big issues like inequality, climate change, the ravages of consumerist globalism and the future of humanity - trying to normalize genuinely moderate ideas like returning to much higher, Eisenhower-era taxes on the ultra-rich and actually preventing the extraction of fossil fuels, rather than letting 'normal' be defined as something just a little less extreme than the most recent Republican propaganda. My personal instincts probably wouldn't work in the world of politics though, because it seems likely such an approach would mean heavily losing at least a few election cycles to many of those pseudo-centrists, who would perceive such a move as being radically leftist... so instead it seems likely that we'll continue gently drifting towards undermining and potentially collapsing human civilization.

 

[multivita-man]

What did the Democrats do so wrong for the last year and a half?

The Democrats were never in a strong position to begin with. 2020 was more about what was wrong with Rs more so than what was right about Ds. Now that the Ds have had power (in theory) and presided over a country that's still dealing with a pandemic and now inflation, the country's in a bad mood. The party in power pays for the country being in a bad mood, regardless of whether it's their fault or not.

The only unforced error IMO was pushing for the $3T stimulus when it had no chance of passing. The Bernie wing of the party insisted it had ideas that were more popular than they really were and tried to use their caucus to hold Biden's feet to the fire. Now nobody's happy.

 

[TheParser]

Maybe, just maybe, the Silent Majority (of all ethnicities) is getting a bit weary of the Dems' cynical ploy of using the issue of ethnicity to get votes.

 

[American]

Only crazy people still support the Big Lie fake President.

Biden has his work cut out for him, that's true.

 

[American]

Why? Most Republicans are racists.

Not so much.

 

[American]

My input:

• Far too much pandering to the extreme progressive left. Imagine if Biden had visited some of the places looted during the Kenosha riots and given a solid speech, right there, about the importance of the rule of law, firmly denouncing violent rioting with no caveats, and saying loudly that the people whose businesses were burned did not deserve what happened? Sure AOC or Omar might have hate-tweeted at him, but probably a solid middle 20% of the electorate would have said "yeah, that guy gets it." Right now Biden seems more afraid of the Bernie Bros than anyone else.
• Afghanistan was a black eye. We have to call it like it is. Sure he got us out and ultimately that was the right thing to do, but it was a disorganized mess that pretty much undid the goodwill he built up with fairly good organized access to vaccines. Prior to the pull out, I knew that Trump would never sweat the details but I thought, "yeah, Biden, he'll sweat the details." After Afghanistan I realized that perhaps Biden isn't an operations master after all.
• BBB at the end of the day pissed off everyone. It already was an instant negative with the right, so nothing lost there. But, independents got pissed off by Democrats trying to shoehorn one large gigantic bill through via budgetary shenanigans, moderate Democrats got pissed off because their bill was being held hostage by both Manchin on one end and progressives on the other, and of course the progressives eventually got pissed off when BBB collapsed and they basically got nothing. Not a good look, Team D. You should have broken it into piecemeal legislation and run a new bill through every 3 weeks, instead of spending a year trying and completely failing to get the whole thing through at one.
• Kamala Harris is utterly unlikeable. I think I like Hillary Clinton more! Harris should have been the AG, Pete B should have been the VP, and someone like Elon Musk should have been asked to figure out how America can get the absolute most from that infrastructure bill. I mean I'm glad it's not the musical chairs of the Trump administration with another quitter every other week, but it's not the all-star cast I think many of us were hoping for.
• Immigration. The longer Democrats pretty much avoid talking about comprehensive immigration reform because they are afraid of splintering their own base, the more people they're going to lose. This and not BBB should have been a Year 1 goal, and if they prioritized it, they would have cemented a hold on most independents for the entire term, at the huge cost of AOC being upset on Twitter for a couple of weeks. But as they say, never doubt the Democrats' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of certain victory.
• And inflation. Sorry but it's real, it's high, and it pisses people off regardless of political affiliation.

These are my thoughts.

And none of the above makes me any less happy that the ass Donald Trump was fired in 2020 for being perhaps the crappiest President leading the crappiest administration in the history our nation. No, he's still a terrible human being. Unfortunately, Trump's terribleness only helps Biden get elected. It doesn't mean people will want to re-elect him, if the alternative is someone other than Trump.

Biden is basically Obama 2.0, because that's about all he did was bring in Obama's minions; and policies for that matter. They weren't popular then, nor now. They just love and gushed over their first black president, who basically had now background or skill.......but could speak well. Remember how Biden described him......clean, ...

Biden is a loser. And for the record, in spite of the galactic onslaught of treacherous and hateful opposition by leftwingers and the massive fake media, Trump got more done than Biden and Obama combined. Have a nice day.

 

[Perotista]

We can imagine a scenario (and there's plenty of evidence that it is in fact the case) of a two party system in which the more right-wing party just keeps drifting further and further rightwards over the decades on most important issues, relying more and more heavily on the divisiveness and politics of fear and insecurity represented by comparatively trivial wedge issues like immigration, gay marriage, rebranded 'CRT,' transgender exclusions and - ultimately - directly antidemocratic rhetoric, voter suppression and bona fide attempted coups.

In such a scenario, it seems inevitable that there's going to be a substantial portion of the population who make the innocuous but erroneous assumption that being 'centrist' means positioning themselves somewhere between the two parties on most issues.

So inevitably, if the other party's priority is trying to govern for all citizens and therefore trying to court those pseudo-centrist votes (and let's face it, also fairly heavily influenced by the same donor/lobbying class as the more right-wing party) it seems the most obvious course of action for them is to follow the rightward shift a few steps behind, again on most important issues with those wedge issues remaining as a way to energize their own core base.

This seems to be a fundamental and perhaps inevitable flaw of any two party system that I can't see an easy way around; just wondering if you as an independent see it too? Of course in theory the same thing could happen with a leftward shift, but obviously in America most of the historic/anti-Soviet and donor/lobbying pressure tends towards the rightward shift which we've seen. Wedge issue politics and the associated tendencies of tribalism and divisiveness presumably favour more conservative/right-leaning tendencies also, rather than the inclusiveness and egalitarianism which tend to animate liberal/left-leaning politics at its best. Instinctively, my feeling is that Democrats should stop playing chase behind the Republicans and instead define their own identity as a more genuinely centrist party committed to tackling the big issues like inequality, climate change, the ravages of consumerist globalism and the future of humanity - trying to normalize genuinely moderate ideas like returning to much higher, Eisenhower-era taxes on the ultra-rich and actually preventing the extraction of fossil fuels, rather than letting 'normal' be defined as something just a little less extreme than the most recent Republican propaganda. My personal instincts probably wouldn't work in the world of politics though, because it seems likely such an approach would mean heavily losing at least a few election cycles to many of those pseudo-centrists, who would perceive such a move as being radically leftist... so instead it seems likely that we'll continue gently drifting towards undermining and potentially collapsing human civilization.

Is there such a thing as pseudo-centrists? Or independents or those who fall in between the major parties ideological wise? I’d say some. What I have found out is most aren’t in-betweener at all, not in the way you mean. You have those independents left of the Democratic Party, those to the right of the Republican Party along with the middle. But what is the middle? I’ve found out most of those support the Democrats on some issues, oppose the Democrats on some along with supporting the Republicans on other issues and opposing them on some issue, indifferent to most issues. They’re not really these in-betweeners on the issues. They’re non-affiliate, less to non-partisan with some independents, swing voters who lean Democratic and other who lean toward the Republican Party. They don’t agree 100% with either party’s agenda, a mixed breed who don’t pass either major party’s litmus tests.

An example would be one who is pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment at the same time or vice versa. You had roughly 7 million of these in-betweeners, independents, swing voters vote for Biden in 2020, then vote Republican down ballot. Giving Biden an easy win over Trump, but also letting the Republicans gain 13 house seats at the same time. Let’s put it this way, they’re not ideologues like most members of the major parties. They pick and choose which issues to support or oppose. They’re not for or against either party’s agenda. They’re for part of each party’s agenda and against part of each party’s agenda and don’t give an owl’s hoot on the rest.

I think what they want is for the two major parties to work together on most issues, to compromise, play the old game of give and take. Not to be at each other’s throats all the time.