Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

[GreenBean]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

Yeah. I wonder how they acquired the use of that name? It should be restricted to mean happy, and not used to describe something its not.

It actually pre-dates the homosexual movement - It originated in the late 19th Century I believe as a term applied to Men who frequented prostitutes - later it meant sexually active and homosexuals began using it for their perverted escapades. As the term became more prevalent among the homosexuals - normal people began distancing themselves from it - till in its current usage it means something nasty and vile.

 

[chromium]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

But for every high quality woman I don't hire, she is out there for you to hire. If I am making a bad business decision, reality will punish me. And the principles this country was founded upon and should aspire to are the principles of liberty and individual rights. By refusing to hire someone because of their race, age or gender I am not violating anyones rights so the law should not punish me. Just laws don't make criminals of innocent men.

Not necessarily. What if she's devoted to this line of work and no one will hire her? That's a pisspoor excuse to discriminate. "I don't like someone so i won't hire them" is not about equality AT ALL. It's just being a prejudiced asshole. And yeah you are violating their right to pursue a living, point of fact what laws like ENDA are created to protect.

 

[chromium]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

It actually pre-dates the homosexual movement - It originated in the late 19th Century I believe as a term applied to Men who frequented prostitutes - later it meant sexually active and homosexuals began using it for their perverted escapades. As the term became more prevalent among the homosexuals - normal people began distancing themselves from it - till in its current usage it means something nasty and vile.


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It may have been co-opted for that purpose, but today it's understood not as happy but someone attracted to same sex. If you want the word back, go around calling yourself gay every time you're in a good mood. Go right ahead.

You have to be joking though if you think "gay" isn't just as often deliberately used as an insult in today's culture. If you'd rather use "homosexual," that is quite ok with me. Or maybe you'd prefer another word, starts with F, ends with T, couple Gs in the middle.

 

[GreenBean]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

It may have been co-opted for that purpose, but today it's understood not as happy but someone attracted to same sex. If you want the word back, go around calling yourself gay every time you're in a good mood. Go right ahead.

You have to be joking though if you think "gay" isn't just as often deliberately used as an insult in today's culture. If you'd rather use "homosexual," that is quite ok with me. Or maybe you'd prefer another word, starts with F, ends with T, couple Gs in the middle.

I generally use a word that starts with Q , but not in a public forum. And your argument is a non argument , as a matter of fact it's pretty Gay.

GREENBEAN: normal people began distancing themselves from it {the word Gay} - till in its current usage it means something nasty and vile.

I guess you didn't understand that part did you ?

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

I generally use a word that starts with Q , but not in a public forum. And your argument is a non argument , as a matter of fact it's pretty Gay.

What queer? You can say that, I actually identify as queer. I have said it dozens of times.

 

[GreenBean]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

What queer? You can say that, I actually identify as queer. I have said it dozens of times.

Okay - so I can call you a Queer ?


Hey Queer ... I just read a report that says 75% of the gay population were born that way? and the other 25% were sucked into it.

AWWW - I'm sorry - Gay Jokes aren't funny, .... cum on guys!

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

Okay - so I can call you a Queer ?


Okay - hey Queer ... I just read a report that says 75% of the gay population were born that way? and the other 25% were sucked into it.

Hey, yep I am queer.

I bet you read lots of huey. What should I care?

 

[chromium]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

Okay - so I can call you a Queer ?


Hey Queer ... I just read a report that says 75% of the gay population were born that way? and the other 25% were sucked into it.

AWWW - I'm sorry - Gay Jokes aren't funny, .... cum on guys!

I can see that you are pretty well terrified of being "sucked into it." Best lock yourself indoors 24/7 so you don't catch anything! All the titty bars in the world won't save you from the "gay agenda."

 

[CriticalThought]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

Okay - so I can call you a Queer ?


Hey Queer ... I just read a report that says 75% of the gay population were born that way? and the other 25% were sucked into it.

AWWW - I'm sorry - Gay Jokes aren't funny, .... cum on guys!

You are not going to offend a younger gay person by calling them "queer". In the 1990s that term went through a linguistic reappropriation just like the N-word did within the African American community. In fact, most younger gay folk don't like it because it is seen as too political not because they see it as derogatory. You sound oddly like a far left gay rights advocate when you use it.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

Your responses are remarkably similar to my own with Baron, including the link to this paper. Funny how referencing science produces very similar results, when the results are so conclusively in favor of one side.

I wasn't aware though of the link between Yarhouse & Jones (which was Baron's entire argument) and Exodus and how they excluded the vast majority of their files. Wow, that would've saved me a lot of time. Talk about desperate tactics. That also heavily biases his claim that conversion therapy doesn't cause harm. I have to really pity the other 560 "files"

What's hysterical is for someone who's so anti gay to be pretending to care about the mental health of homosexuals, insisting that it's "cruel and inhumane" to deny this treatment. Well, it would be hysterical if not for the harm those views have done to real people.

You know what? The information I posted above about Jones and Yarhouse, I originally posted against BARON several months ago, debunking him. It's amazing how some folks will conveniently 'forget" this stuff to try to pass their errors as facts. And don't get me wrong... I happen to like Baron.

 

[chromium]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

You are not going to offend a younger gay person by calling them "queer". In the 1990s that term went through a linguistic reappropriation just like the N-word did within the African American community. In fact, most younger gay folk don't like it because it is seen as too political not because they see it as derogatory. You sound oddly like a far left gay rights advocate when you use it.

Haha yeah, i use it all the time, and there's even a "queer studies" minor at college. Although, for someone who is not gay to use it as an insult (which this hateful poster clearly did) is sorta like you don't throw around the N word if you're not black.

 

[chromium]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

You know what? The information I posted above about Jones and Yarhouse, I originally posted against BARON several months ago, debunking him. It's amazing how some folks will conveniently 'forget" this stuff to try to pass their errors as facts. And don't get me wrong... I happen to like Baron.

I suppose i'd be loath to concede too after buying and reading a whole book, but i have to wonder what could lead someone to even buy that book other than confirmation bias. It's classic head in the sand desperation from religious indoctrination. I'm sure he'll make a return appearance in the next "ex gay" thread in a few months, using the same "evidence"

 

[Quag]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

You might notice that I "Liked" your post -



This is True

Homosexual { An acknowledged Sad and depressed group of People} are now called "Gay" a complete reversal of definitions, some would call it an oxymoron - some would call it "Orwellian Newspeak"

Sex {As an adjective} is a natural biological function. Sodomy is an un-natural act.

So in essence - without linguistic evolution ---- "words change over time"

Gay Sex= Sad Sodomy :lol:

I'm glad we agree on this !

Twist contort and deny reality wow you should spend some time in the conspiracy section!
You continue to waste your time trying to pretend you are not prejudiced against homosexuals by trying to use definitions of words (which you get wrong!) It is sad.

Once again the definition that debunks your entire failed argument.

1

: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : coitus


2

: intercourse (as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis

 

[solletica]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

This is something that has been a confusing bit of humanity for me. If you are anti gay, i am just curious as to why. No judgment, I will not argue that you are wrong, just would like to better understand my fellow man.

This is my opinion, remember, i will not judge you for yours, so don't judge me for mine. Its like being against someone who likes spaghetti, this is just how I understand it, perhaps you have a reason that I cannot think of.

Please share, and please funny judge each other's opinions.

I'm anti-gay because there's no such thing as "gay" or "straight."

Those misleading labels were just tired old early 21st-century terms used to differentiate between what was then considered "mainstream" and "alternative" sexualities. By 2035, those terms were rarely used anymore, and disappeared from the dictionary altogether by 2057.

 

[Paleocon]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

I don't know anyone who is opposed to gays as people. What I oppose are the acts (and the state sanction of those acts) which are contrary to the natural end of man's sexuality. Just because one is inclined to commit an action doesn't mean they have to commit the action.

 

[CLAX1911]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

I don't know anyone who is opposed to gays as people. What I oppose are the acts (and the state sanction of those acts) which are contrary to the natural end of man's sexuality. Just because one is inclined to commit an action doesn't mean they have to commit the action.

nobody is asking for state sanctions of such acts.

Further more your opinion on the natural order is irrelevant. At one time black people being slaves was the "natural order of man" women being unheard in politics was the "natural order of man"

Frankly whenever I hear this perceived "natural order" nonsense. I pretty much know that there is no real argument. I must accept some other persons opinion on what natural order is in order for the argument to have merit. It's quite myopic.

 

[AGENT J]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

I don't know anyone who is opposed to gays as people. What I oppose are the acts (and the state sanction of those acts) which are contrary to the natural end of man's sexuality. Just because one is inclined to commit an action doesn't mean they have to commit the action.

what state sanction?
what acts?
what is "man's sexuality"

 

[Paleocon]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

nobody is asking for state sanctions of such acts.

Further more your opinion on the natural order is irrelevant. At one time black people being slaves was the "natural order of man" women being unheard in politics was the "natural order of man"

Frankly whenever I hear this perceived "natural order" nonsense. I pretty much know that there is no real argument. I must accept some other persons opinion on what natural order is in order for the argument to have merit. It's quite myopic.

Have you heard of gay marriage?

It's not my opinion. It's the classical realist understanding of human nature. There is nothing in the nature of man which indicates that certain groups are inferior. There is nothing in man's nature as a political animal which indicates that women should be excluded from participation in political governance.

It's a completely rational argument.

what state sanction?
what acts?
what is "man's sexuality"

Recognition of gay marriage
Sodomy
Perhaps you should have that conversation with your parents

 

[AGENT J]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

1.)Recognition of gay marriage
2.)Sodomy
3.)Perhaps you should have that conversation with your parents

1.) governments job is to enforce legal contracts that are sanctioning anything, so that one fails
2.) multiple things

again government isnt sanctioning sodomy and maybe you dont know what sodym is but sodomy is practied by hereteosexuals also. so this one fails too

3.) so you cant explain what "mens sexuality" is? thats what i thought, let us know when you can and you are educated on this subject because we'd love to read what that is lol seems all three of your points fail

 

[Paleocon]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

1.) governments job is to enforce legal contracts that are sanctioning anything, so that one fails
2.) multiple things

again government isnt sanctioning sodomy and maybe you dont know what sodym is but sodomy is practied by hereteosexuals also. so this one fails too

3.) so you cant explain what "mens sexuality" is? thats what i thought, let us know when you can and you are educated on this subject because we'd love to read what that is lol seems all three of your points fail

1. Marriage grants special rights not granted by ordinary contracts.
2. I know what sodomy is, and sanctioning gay marriage most certainly is sanctioning sodomy.
3. I can explain, I just choose not to waste my time explaining what sex is to someone who most certainly already knows.

 

[AGENT J]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

1. Marriage grants special rights not granted by ordinary contracts.
2. I know what sodomy is, and sanctioning gay marriage most certainly is sanctioning sodomy.
3. I can explain, I just choose not to waste my time explaining what sex is to someone who most certainly already knows.

1.) that doesnt make them SPECIAL that just makes them ones associated with that contract.
but you are right in one regard, a marriage contract can not be duplicated :shrug:

that still doesnt change the fact that the governments job is to enforce legal contracts and that they arent sanctioning anything, so again that one still fails

2.) facts still proof you wrong, government isnt sanctioning anything lol

and sodmy has nothign to so with just gays, sodomy is practiced by heterosexuals and homosexuals, once again this point is still failing

3.) translation: you cant, you are stalling and deflecting, until you can you go nothing and this point fails too

again let us know when you can tell us what "men's sexuality" is, we cant wait to read it

 

[Paleocon]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

1.) that doesnt make them SPECIAL that just makes them ones associated with that contract.
but you are right in one regard, a marriage contract can not be duplicated :shrug:

that still doesnt change the fact that the governments job is to enforce legal contracts and that they arent sanctioning anything, so again that one still fails

2.) facts still proof you wrong, government isnt sanctioning anything lol

and sodmy has nothign to so with just gays, sodomy is practiced by heterosexuals and homosexuals, once again this point is still failing

3.) translation: you cant, you are stalling and deflecting, until you can you go nothing and this point fails too

again let us know when you can tell us what "men's sexuality" is, we cant wait to read it

Whatever.

 

[CLAX1911]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

Have you heard of gay marriage?

It's not my opinion. It's the classical realist understanding of human nature. There is nothing in the nature of man which indicates that certain groups are inferior. There is nothing in man's nature as a political animal which indicates that women should be excluded from participation in political governance.

It's a completely rational argument.

There is nothing in nature that says two people of the same sex can't love each other or be aroused by each other.

Your opinion doesn't line up with your post. Your opinion therefore on natural order or disorder of homosexuality doesn't line up with the realist understanding of human nature.

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Why are people "anti-gay"?

From a scientific standpoint, I think that throughout antiquity it probably has something to do with the plethora of diseases spread by fecal matter.

Right. No one ever got a disease through heterosexual sex. Your "Science" is a huge fail

 

[AGENT J]

re: Why are people "anti-gay"?[W:224, 1316]

Whatever.

I accept your concession

when you can defend you claims and tell us what "mens sexuality" is let us know, thanks