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Why are liberals so damn obsessed with Palin?

Dislike and fear are two different things. Just because people don't like someone doesn't mean they are afraid of them.

No, I agree with you here.

One can hate brussel sprouts without fearing them.

I actually do both...with brussel sprouts.

I would wager the old timers in the GOP are more afraid of Palin than the libs.

Specially as she's helping to drive Republican energy into 3 huge election victories.:cool:

I do believe Obama learned the "fear" tactic from the last administration.

Who learned it from the Clinton Administration.:roll:
 
Dislike and fear are two different things. Just because people don't like someone doesn't mean they are afraid of them. One can hate brussel sprouts without fearing them.
I would wager the old timers in the GOP are more afraid of Palin than the libs.


I do believe Obama learned the "fear" tactic from the last administration.
when my wife eats brussel sprouts, I am frightened of going to bed:)
 
It's nice you can stand in opposition and not be accused of fear, Usa begins a refreshing phase is my hope.
 
Specially as she's helping to drive Republican energy into 3 huge election victories.:cool:
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There is a large segment of the GOP that fears Palin will go rogue and split the party, allowing the democrats to keep power. The republican primaries should be quite the spectacle.
 
Some of her applause is earned, she's become the Governor of a State, the VP selection by the Repub Candidate for President of her country, I wouldn't call that a failed resume. She's also a mother of a downs child so on many fronts she does deserve applause. Because of her political stands, she's criticized.

Where I'll agree I thought McCain's choice a reach...as her lack of experience became obvious, perhaps that was his grand plan to highlight Obama's lack of experience, who knows.

She has applause moments and I heard her interviewed last night and she pegged the Dems straight on clean. And that bothers alot of them, I think that more the reason for the hatorade gulping.

I have to be honest -- I'm pretty sure most people criticize Sarah Palin because it's insulting to think that someone who is clearly less intelligent than you may have been in a position to make decisions that fundamentally affect you and everyone you know.
 
I have to be honest -- I'm pretty sure most people criticize Sarah Palin because it's insulting to think that someone who is clearly less intelligent than you may have been in a position to make decisions that fundamentally affect you and everyone you know.

That is certainly part of it.

My elderly mother -- no great liberal, she -- made a comment in the last election that I think is telling. She said that picking a President was like picking someone to run the biggest corporation in the world. She saw one candidate who was well spoken, intelligent, and who graduated top of his class from Columbia and Harvard, and then an opponent who graduated next to last in his class from West Point. So who would you hire to be the CEO of your corporation?

I'm sure she's not the only person who thought that way, especially when looking at Palin as well. I think someone running a country should have a bit better of a resume than we are seeing here.

Picking someone to run your business simply because you like them or want to have a beer with them is not a wise investment.
 
There is a large segment of the GOP that fears Palin will go rogue and split the party, allowing the democrats to keep power. The republican primaries should be quite the spectacle.

Like she's been doing right........perhaps all of this would make sense had a Republican not just own in Massachusetts. Republicans have been putting strong candidates like Bob McDonnell in Va up to run, it seems we're getting our house back in order, rather than splitting.

And I'll have to wait for the Repub primaries, right now, news of Biden's son dropping out, the Dodd and Nelson issues, with Reid and many name Dems in serious and clear trouble....the Dem primaries may outduel the Repubs for press time discussing party unity.
 
Like she's been doing right........perhaps all of this would make sense had a Republican not just own in Massachusetts. Republicans have been putting strong candidates like Bob McDonnell in Va up to run, it seems we're getting our house back in order, rather than splitting.

And I'll have to wait for the Repub primaries, right now, news of Biden's son dropping out, the Dodd and Nelson issues, with Reid and many name Dems in serious and clear trouble....the Dem primaries may outduel the Repubs for press time discussing party unity.

I do believe the media has blown Mass way out of proportion. Brown is about as close to a democrat as one can get and a monkey could have beaten the democrat running.
As for Palin, the truth is the guys running the show in the GOP want her to go away. They do not want a maverick leading their party.

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A poll of GOP insiders suggests that ex-AK Gov. Sarah Palin (R) has little support among the party's professional class -- and maybe that's just how she wants it.

In a survey of 109 party leaders, political professionals and pundits, Palin finished 5th on the list of candidates most likely to win the party's '12 WH nomination. Ex-MA Gov. Mitt Romney (R) was the overwhelming choice of the

Voters were asked to rank 5 candidates in the order of likeliness to capture the GOP nod. The results:

Likely To Win WH'12 Nomination (First place votes)

Ex-MA Gov. Mitt Romney 81 points (62%)
MN Gov. Tim Pawlenty 46 (9%)
Sen. John Thune 38 (12%)
MS Gov. Haley Barbour 28 (6%)
IN Gov. Mitch Daniels 25
Ex-AK Gov. Sarah Palin 25

Rounding out the top 10: Ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, ex-AR Gov. Mike Huckabee, ex-FL Gov. Jeb Bush, LA Gov. Bobby Jindal. Candidates other than Romney, Pawlenty, Thune and Barbour split the remaining 11% of first-place votes.

Meanwhile, Dem insiders too think Romney is the most likely candidate to run against Pres. Obama next year. The results, from interviews with 111 Dem insiders
 
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There is a large segment of the GOP that fears Palin will go rogue and split the party, allowing the democrats to keep power. The republican primaries should be quite the spectacle.

Like she's been doing right........perhaps all of this would make sense had the GOP not just won in Massachusetts, NJ and VA. Republicans have been putting strong candidates like Bob McDonnell in Va up to run, it seems we're getting our house back in order, rather than splitting.

And I'll have to wait for the Repub primaries, right now, news of Biden's son dropping out, the Dodd and Nelson issues, with Reid and many name Dems in serious and clear trouble....the Dem primaries may outduel the Repubs for press time discussing party unity.;)
 
I do believe the media has blown Mass way out of proportion.

If it had happened in a vacuum, this is true.

Brown is about as close to a democrat as one can get and a monkey could have beaten the democrat running.

Brown was not as close to a Democrat as one can get, what do you base that statetment on? Furthermore, you ignore the facts that Coakley was double digit lead safe mere weeks prior, that Brown ran against the unpopular health care reform especially its process, but most importantly, you ignore the fact that this was Kennedy's seat....a strong organized political machine with money, your opinion here that any candidate could have beaten the Dem.........is correct....Usa. Therefore...that was the story. The very seat for health care, it's primary flag waving seat in a deep blue state...going 5 points Republican...is a story for the media, you've explained it exactly. I spent the evening listening to the Left bash Scott Brown, that he wasn't a strong candidate...perhaps not but then....what happens when we DO run a strong candidate shouldn't that send a shiver up your spine. If we can win in Massachusetts, we can win anywhere.

As for Palin, the truth is the guys running the show in the GOP want her to go away. They do not want a maverick leading their party.

She's appearing on Fox, she's a favorite at tea parties, again...we're winning election in surprising places big time...with her very much out front...I can't agree with your analysis.

In a survey of 109 party leaders, political professionals and pundits, Palin finished 5th on the list of candidates most likely to win the

You translate finishing fifth to "wanting her to go away?"
 
I have to be honest -- I'm pretty sure most people criticize Sarah Palin because it's insulting to think that someone who is clearly less intelligent than you may have been in a position to make decisions that fundamentally affect you and everyone you know.

I can't agree however I do see where you're coming from. These are my thoughts every time I watch Obama.
 
The reasons why Liberals hate Governor Palin is because they are scared to death of her.....Rarely do you see a female conservative mother with family values so famous........They don't now how to deal with her so the insult her and her family....They know down the road that this woman is a threat to liberalism that is why the femi nazis are so quiet........Like Ronald Reagan she is the the teflon lady......
 
Ever hear of the "train wreck syndrome"? You know it will be a horrible, deadly, messy disaster, but you watch anyway, before, during, and after the event.
Besides, the GOP is the one most obsessed with her. She is the opposite of sour grapes, she is a sweet lemon. Those who love her will continue to love her long after she wrecks the train. They will never be able to admit that they were blinded by her few assets to the point that they cannot see she can only bring disaster to the party.
I blame Bush 1, he is the one who set the course for the GOP by pushing Bush 2 into office. Precedence has been set. Thanks to him, ANY dumbass can now be president.....:(
 
Ever hear of the "train wreck syndrome"? You know it will be a horrible, deadly, messy disaster, but you watch anyway, before, during, and after the event.
Besides, the GOP is the one most obsessed with her. She is the opposite of sour grapes, she is a sweet lemon. Those who love her will continue to love her long after she wrecks the train. They will never be able to admit that they were blinded by her few assets to the point that they cannot see she can only bring disaster to the party.
I blame Bush 1, he is the one who set the course for the GOP by pushing Bush 2 into office. Precedence has been set. Thanks to him, ANY dumbass can now be president.....:(

While you type, look out the window at the now passing GOP train, that once little engine that couldn't, now high speeding it through blue states and rocketing through red ones.

But, I like your look at history. There was this little election in 1994 that changed America forever. For the first time in nearly 40 years, the House went Republican, some Cat named Newt became Speaker and we were talking about ten point contracts. Clinton then veered right.

Virginia had voted a Republican Governor into office in 1993 as well. Tell tale signs for the Dems appeared again and again. Much like today, they ignored and thumbed their noses. Hillary began back door health care initiatives, Bill was busy with gays in the military, there was a coming train wreck and yet, they kept the train rolling, the talk then about Republican disunity, it was all as misplaced then as it is today.

The Republican Party ain't reeling right now, in fact, it's come around quite nicely from 2008/2009. It's beginning to win elections in telling districts and states and we're tlaking about Palin's coming train wreck.

Oh, theres gonna be an absolute derailment for Dems, they'll go down on record as squandering the best opportunity to change government in a century. A wildly popular President. An absolute dominant majority in the House. A last second Al Franken filibuster proof Senate...and their entire failures are blamed on Republicans! Sarah Palin now the apparent cause of a Republican train wreck, some "obsession" with her causing problems as our train steams over the filibuster-proof Senate....with tracks squarely on taking back the House...or closing ranks...and we're defintitely chuggin after the laboring and slowing Obama Caboose right now, while just last January no one could see us catching up by 2012. I can't look at the current politial landscape and speak to a Palin led train wreck, I think yer looking at the wrong set of tracks.
 
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While you type, look out the window at the now passing GOP train, that once little engine that couldn't, now high speeding it through blue states and rocketing through red ones.

But, I like your look at history. There was this little election in 1994 that changed America forever. For the first time in nearly 40 years, the House went Republican, some Cat named Newt became Speaker and we were talking about ten point contracts. Clinton then veered right.

Virginia had voted a Republican Governor into office in 1993 as well. Tell tale signs for the Dems appeared again and again. Much like today, they ignored and thumbed their noses. Hillary began back door health care initiatives, Bill was busy with gays in the military, there was a coming train wreck and yet, they kept the train rolling, the talk then about Republican disunity, it was all as misplaced then as it is today.

The Republican Party ain't reeling right now, in fact, it's come around quite nicely from 2008/2009. It's beginning to win elections in telling districts and states and we're tlaking about Palin's coming train wreck.

Oh, theres gonna be an absolute derailment for Dems, they'll go down on record as squandering the best opportunity to change government in a century. A wildly popular President. An absolute dominant majority in the House. A last second Al Franken filibuster proof Senate...and their entire failures are blamed on Republicans! Sarah Palin now the apparent cause of a Republican train wreck, some "obsession" with her causing problems as our train steams over the filibuster-proof Senate....with tracks squarely on taking back the House...or closing ranks...and we're defintitely chuggin after the laboring and slowing Obama Caboose right now, while just last January no one could see us catching up by 2012. I can't look at the current politial landscape and speak to a Palin led train wreck, I think yer looking at the wrong set of tracks.

Only if history is written by the obstructionist GOP will the dems get all the blame.
 
Only if history is written by the obstructionist GOP will the dems get all the blame.

I think the press will continue to attempt to write history. Again, a wildly popular just elected President. A massive majoriy in the House. A filibuster-proof Senate, there is nothing Republicans can do. Obstruction, tantrum, physically throwing themsleves in front of Congress, tea parties, tea baggings, tea chaos, racism, rants and raves, Rush, Sean, Santa....there wasn't a policy by Repubs relevant in the least, nothing we could do.

The most one sided majority in the history of this country. Clearly in the Captain's chair. A President that could make Gitmo promises without an explanation as to what to do with them. A House that right off voted health care a human right. A Senate now populated by a comedian...Al Franken given a gavel, we Repubs worst nightmares come true.

You want to blame us for obstruction, do so. Wish to deflect from the facts I've laid out above, we'll help you out. You want to deny this pendulum swing and blame Repubs and not realize that real changes in your Party and not the Repubs is what is needed, then we'll play right along.

It's happened before. Your style posts were alive and well in op eds in 1993/1994 as well. The Dems acted in Dec 1994 like they never saw it coming either. We were told we were anti-women and didn't like a woman shaping health care. We were told our homophobia concerning gays in the military would be our downfall. Repubs were called the Party of obstruction, Newt was seen as leading a train wreck.

And it was more like at atomic bomb. People like Pat Shroeder just went away, retired into the night, a Revolution took place. Clinto moved right, ended the circular welfare programs for example.

We're whatever you'd like us to be, UtahBill. We'll be the bad guys, the no parent. We'll dance and sing and keep your attention on our sidelines.....while we roll over your offensive line, we just pancaked the fullback left in to block, and hopefully in 2012, we sack your QB.;)
 
Oh, so they aren't actually saying they want Palin gone, you are merely giving your opinion?

I have read enough comments from GOP leaders so it is an opinion based on facts.




CEDAR CREEK, Tex. – As Sarah Palin launched her book tour Wednesday before the type of adulatory crowds she drew to GOP rallies last year, top Republicans here grappled with how to handle a figure as polarizing as she is popular.

A year after Palin attracted a crush of foreign reporters to the Republican Governors Association (RGA) meeting following the presidential election, the same group gathered without their former colleague—and before a considerably smaller media horde.

But now as then, questions lingered among the attendees about what role Palin would play in a party now seemingly on the rebound but divided by conservatives between pragmatists. As demonstrated by the fans she drew at her first book tour stop in Michigan, the former Alaska governor and vice-presidential nominee still retains a loyal following among the GOP base.

Yet, as was on display among the governors, consultants, lobbyists and party officials in attendance at this conference at a resort outside of Austin, Palin enjoys only tepid support if not outright skepticism among the party establishment.

Elected Republicans and most other GOP heavyweights are loathe to criticize her for fear of offending her supporters, a voting bloc that includes many of the grassroots activists candidates rely upon.

So when asked about the party's buzz machine they took pains to choose their words, focusing on the energy she generates among her followers while at the same time offering clenched-jaw assessments indicating a great desire to discuss any other subject.

"She’s a great gal and people like her and I bet she sells a lot of books," offered Mississippi Gov. and RGA Chairman Haley Barbour, touting the crowds she drew last fall for the GOP ticket.

Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle also focused on the Palin-as-pep-leader angle.

"I think she brings a lot of excitement," said Lingle. "I think she brings a kind of energy you need in any campaign."

Two new GOP governors had to confront the What To Do About Sarah question more directly, however.

Virginia Gov.-elect Bob McDonnell and New Jersey Gov.-elect Chris Christie both declined to invite Palin to their states during campaigns this year. Asked why they didn't want the former governor to stump for them, the two went to lengths to avoid giving the obvious answer—that she would turn off a portion of the electorate.

Christie, running in deep-blue Jersey, said he only brought in out-of-state politicians if he had a personal relationship with them (as in the case of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani) or if, like Minnesota

Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, they had become governors "in similar circumstances and could tell a narrative to the people of New Jersey how Republican ideas could work."

Left unexplained was why he had Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, both from right-leaning states, in to raise money.

McDonnell, hailing from a more conservative-inclined state, went even further to explain why he never invited Palin.
 
I have read enough comments from GOP leaders so it is an opinion based on facts.

I hope these ain't them, these are nothing BUT opinion!

Yet, as was on display among the governors, consultants, lobbyists and party officials in attendance at this conference at a resort outside of Austin, Palin enjoys only tepid support if not outright skepticism among the party establishment.

So, only tepid support from Governors, consultants, and lobbyists?

Elected Republicans and most other GOP heavyweights are loathe to criticize her for fear of offending her supporters, a voting bloc that includes many of the grassroots activists candidates rely upon.

This in an opinion. Nothing in this yet but opinion, you do no see that?

"She’s a great gal and people like her and I bet she sells a lot of books," offered Mississippi Gov. and RGA Chairman Haley Barbour, touting the crowds she drew last fall for the GOP ticket.

People do like her.

Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle also focused on the Palin-as-pep-leader angle.

"I think she brings a lot of excitement," said Lingle. "I think she brings a kind of energy you need in any campaign."

That sounds a bit stronger than tepid.

Two new GOP governors had to confront the What To Do About Sarah question more directly, however.

Virginia Gov.-elect Bob McDonnell and New Jersey Gov.-elect Chris Christie both declined to invite Palin to their states during campaigns this year. Asked why they didn't want the former governor to stump for them, the two went to lengths to avoid giving the obvious answer—that she would turn off a portion of the electorate.

Christie, running in deep-blue Jersey, said he only brought in out-of-state politicians if he had a personal relationship with them (as in the case of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani) or if, like Minnesota

This isn't the Republican establishment. Gov candidates Christie and McDonnell weren't about the national scene much less a Sarah Palin. Each Repub candidate knew far more about the State and much to the Dems trying to paint them as going back to Bush days, each isolated himself and rana a strong local oriented campaign.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, they had become governors "in similar circumstances and could tell a narrative to the people of New Jersey how Republican ideas could work."

Left unexplained was why he had Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, both from right-leaning states, in to raise money.

McDonnell, hailing from a more conservative-inclined state, went even further to explain why he never invited Palin.

This still doesn't explain Republicans fear her, seems they are admitting people like her, admitting she has energy needed in campaigns....and I'm not sure you can use McDonnell nor Christie...these aren't the establishment repubs we were discussing.
 
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I hope these ain't them, these are nothing BUT opinion!



So, only tepid support from Governors, consultants, and lobbyists?



This in an opinion. Nothing in this yet but opinion, you do no see that?



People do like her.



That sounds a bit stronger than tepid.

Two new GOP governors had to confront the What To Do About Sarah question more directly, however.



This isn't the Republican establishment. Gov candidates Christie and McDonnell weren't about the national scene much less a Sarah Palin. Each Repub candidate knew far more about the State and much to the Dems trying to paint them as going back to Bush days, each isolated himself and rana a strong local oriented campaign.



This still doesn't explain Republicans fear her, seems they are admitting people like her, admitting she has energy needed in campaigns....and I'm not sure you can use McDonnell nor Christie...these aren't the establishment repubs we were discussing.

People do like her, but the leaders of the GOP don't. They can't control her and they weren't too happy with her tell all book.
 
People do like her, but the leaders of the GOP don't. They can't control her and they weren't too happy with her tell all book.

They're concerned for her lack of experience. She's no third party supporter, she supports Repub causes, she's fresh, attractive, likeable, and she is smart. She just needs to be reminded every so often of the 11th commandment.
 
Do you really want Palin leading us through one of the most critical times in American history? She would be as bad as Obama and the GOP party bosses know it. As we get closer to the election it will become evident that I am right. The other GOP presidential candidates will crucify Palin and the party will support them.
 
Do you really want Palin leading us through one of the most critical times in American history?

She comes with a voice, Sir. She comes with a following, she's a serious player. This Establishment you speak of certainly made her a player by supporting her VP candidacy, she's merely following up. She does have a message, she is a family oriented working Mother, she's inexperienced, she's hated by the Left. I consider her the posterchild of hypocrisy for the Left, I open my arms to her within our ranks, she gets every opportunity to lead our platform, she's empires away from the current occupant who isn't qualified to manage Barnum and Baileys spring tour.

She would be as bad as Obama and the GOP party bosses know it.

Yeah, she'd be pushing national health care reform and trials in NY.

As we get closer to the election it will become evident that I am right. The other GOP presidential candidates will crucify Palin and the party will support them.

Why can't we use the three elections we've just had. Nobody is crucifying Palin, her supporters helping smashmouth the football winning games on the road in hostile territory running candidates no one has even heard of. The Party is supporting the candidate Palin is supporting, many who would like to go hunting with her voted for these candidates. I live in Virginia, we love Sarah Palin.....and we just unglued the entire Democrat Tim Kaine machine in this state.
 
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