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Why all states should ban pit bulls

I heard a story about a woman whose pit bull saved her from a stalker who broke into her house intending to kidnap and rape her. Sometimes people have valid reasons for keeping a dog like that.
Well that’s good she didn’t get raped because her dog protected her, but in actuality the dog is dangerous.
Probably because they're not as reliable? That's the tradeoff you make for the lower cost.
It’s because bully breeds have behavioral problems and people adopt them then drop them in shelters because they’re not suitable pets
 
Really? You think the young mother whose adored family Guns is responsible for her gun killing her infant? Well she is for bringing the gun into the home, but this idea that it’s “bad owners” is simply wrong. In most cases these are naive people who’ve adopted these guns in good faith who end up victimized
 
Well that’s good she didn’t get raped because her dog protected her, but in actuality the dog is dangerous.

It’s because bully breeds have behavioral problems and people adopt them then drop them in shelters because they’re not suitable pets
Some people are fully capable of keeping a dog like that safely, and they should be allowed to.
 
Gee, who would have thought a racist would also be a breedist?
It seems you’re claiming that being a certain “race” is equal to being an animal. I wonder if there’s a word for that?
 
Good point!

Sounds like it could be:
"99% of the problem is bad owners. I've been around GUN OWNERS that were nothing but nice!"

See how that works?;)

Except I didn't bring up guns. You did. :)
 
I wish you could talk to the people who were attacked suddenly by a pit bull.
Would they really care if you felt that breed was "nothing but nice"?

I refer you back to the post that you quoted.
 
Oh---here we go. Blame the owner crap.

There are thousands of breeds to choose from------no reason pitbulls should exist

Interesting how the righties in this thread are defending pit bulls' owners. I did not have that on my 2023 bingo card.
 
Really? You think the young mother whose adored family pets attacked is responsible for her dog mauling her infant? Well she is for bringing the pit into the home, but this idea that it’s “bad owners” is simply wrong. In most cases these are naive people who’ve adopted these dogs in good faith who end up victimized
I am sure you have statistics to substantiate this assertion?
 
You mean "criminals using firearms to kill." At least you phrased it right in that, it takes a human using the tool incorrectly for it to harm someone. I know more people (probably more than people you actually know) who own a firearm (actually, multiple firearms) and none of them have hurt anyone.
And I know more people who have pit bulls who haven’t had any issues. So what’s your point again?!
 
I wish you could talk to the people who were attacked suddenly by a pit bull.
Would they really care if you felt that breed was "nothing but nice"?
I wish you could talk to all the people who have had loved ones killed by firearms. Would they really care if you felt firearms was “nothing but nice and a right”?
 
Ninety-nine percent of the problem is bad owners. I've been around pit bulls that were nothing but nice.
Agreed. people should be responsible for their property. that includes pets. if they get out It is because they failed to contain them. most people that keep these dogs arnt equipped and lack the discipline necessary to keep them but some are better about it.

I don't support government bans on them.
 
I agree, so back gun control! You know, our children's greatest threat.
Guns arent animals that act of their own accord. I can set a gun next to a baby and the baby can wail it's head off the gun isn't goin to attack.

also, you aren't allowed to keep tigers or chimpanzees without a permit and inspection, though those animals are considered endangered and it is as much about the health and wellbeing of the animal.
 
Banning seems overly harsh. You can get a permit to keep just about any kind of animal if you have the right credentials, even tigers and bears, animals that are generally considered much more dangerous than dogs.
I think banning is a bit overboard. particularly because of my small L libertarian philosophy. That being said, you should know what you are getting into. so many people that own pit bulls are talked into it. "They are such sweet dogs" or "i have had them for years" these two things can be true at the same time that the animal is very capable of killing or doing serious damage.

My childhood friend was talked into owning one, he loved the dog, the dog was frindly until one day they found one of their other dogs dead because the pit bull killed it. They can be sweet they can be docile but they can and do easily kill.

Just like when you buy a gun or a car or any other potentially dangerous object or pet, you know what you are getting into. You handle your gun carefully and follow rules, if you don't you can easily kill somebody, same with a car.

but lets talk about an animal people keep. a horse. they can and do kill people. so when you buy a horse you take precautions to make sure you are properly caring for the animal, and you are being safe around them. you don't walk close behind a horse because those hind legs can kill you. if somebody told you it is a sweet horse and they carry their infant behind it this is incorrect information it is complacently and that attitude gets people killed.
 
Either the argument is legitimate and both put bulls and ar15s should be banned or they are illegitimate arguments and used as an attempt to encroach on our freedoms
no I disagree. I can leave an AR15 in a room with a cat and know that the cat isn't going to be killed by that gun. i can't do that with a pitbull. one is an animal and acts of it's own accord. one is an object and thus cannot act at all.

that being said, I don't think bullies should be banned. but controlling an animal takes active involvement where I canlock a rifle in a safe for 50 years and don't have to act. it isn't cruel to keep a gun in a box locked up.

it is a different thing.
 
I was delighted last month when the Arkansas legislature roundly defeated a bill that would repeal local breed specific laws.

This doesn’t go far enough however, because it allows cities to permit people to own these dangerous animals. States should ban them outright.

Pit bulls and any true bulldog or bully breed should be illegal for general ownership as a pet. This is for several reasons

1) they are evolutionary adapted to cause permanent injury and death.

These dogs stem from an English sport called “bull baiting” where dogs would be arranged to kill bulls, as Bull baiting fell out of favor then new blood sports such as dog fighting and ratting emerged, for which bulldogs were crossed with terriers to make a strong and agile dog with a ferocious bite and high pain tolerance. This is the origin of modern pitbulls.

2) pitbulls are the least wanted dog in America, many pitbulls are given to shelters quickly as naive people realize these animals are dangerous. The pit Bull is the most euthanized dog in America and I this overpopulation is in part because insufficient bsl exists to prosecute breeders for making this animals
3) pitbulls are indisputably the most dangerous animals in America, 2/3 of all serious dog attacks on humans and over 90% of serious dog attacks on domesticated animals are from pit bulls, which are less then ten percent of dogs. The next dog after pitbulls are dobermans which are trained to be actual property guard dogs and it’s less than a quarter of pit Bull numbers. https://coloradoinjurylaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/#:~:text=Pitbulls are 2.5x more,and 63% of ocular injuries.&text=Pitbull attacks have higher morbidity,than attacks by other breeds.

3) pit bulls have high prey drive, they will attack their own owners, their owners children, their owners parents, sometimes even strangers and they do it without warning. Pit bulls will attack infants for crying because it triggers their prey drive
4) pit bulls have locking jaws which cause serious injury. Lucas County Ohio Dog Warden Tom Skeldon once presented a video in court of a dog that wouldn’t release its grasp on a cable after being tranquilized. Even pit Bull activists recommend carrying “break sticks” to pry the jaws of the dog when it attacks another dog.

5) existing lesser laws are inadequate. Most laws involving dangerous animals are meant to deal with normal dog breeds which are nuisances, not for fatal attacks by dogs like pit bulls. Breed specific laws allow accountability for people who choose to adopt dangerous animals
They are dangerous and have caused severe injury and death. There is no reason to own such a breed.
 
I wish you could talk to all the people who have had loved ones killed by firearms. Would they really care if you felt firearms was “nothing but nice and a right”?
Wow. Great pivot, Davin. We're talking about pit bulls and you bring loved ones being killed by guns. I've been kicked off a thread because I strayed from the subject matter.
Want to say something relevant about dogs?
 
1. I keep reading about pit owners who assure us that pits are wonderful pets and very gentle and loving.

2. I also keep reading about people (and other dogs) that have been seriously hurt or killed by pits.

3. Since there will always be bad dog owners who enjoy scaring people when they walk down the street with a pit, and owners that let their pits roam the streets, the OP is probably right that pits should be prohibited.
 
My daughter and I were just discussing breeds yesterday. All the dogs in .pounds and rescues are Lab/pitbull mixes. They are usually adorable and sweet. I don't want one because I cannot bear to lose another young dog to cancer. It's why I won't get another Golden Retriever,
 
Turns out one of my two dogs is part pit. A DNA test of her mutt self showed this. (Rescued her from a literal farm where she was raised in a barn…and FYI - “pit bull” isn’t the actual breed, it’s colloquial)

The only thing she’s a threat to is a squeaky toy or one of those dog toys that you put a plastic bottle in. She LOVES those something fierce and will carry around the beat up remnants of a few favorites regularly.


She’s actually more loveable and cuddly than my 100% pure bred from a highly respected breeder English lab.


People that bitch and moan about pit bulls have likely never had or met a pit bull. They’re known to be incredibly sweet and loving.
 
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