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Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...[W:875,1181]

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SmokeAndMirrors said:
This doesn't follow at all, Chris. No one thinks an embryo is "to blame." It simply doesn't have a right to use her body. I am not the one trying to find blame. You are.
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This is the part I have to argue about. It is not the fault of the fetus. It is the fault of the two people who had sex. They knew the risks. (of COURSE, I'm referring to ONLY consensual sex here, Choiceone! :roll.

If a person is going to have an abortion, then it shouldn't be made to be a thing to take lightly or to excuse away. These people need to take responsibility for their actions. THEY effed up and decided to kill the unborn child. The unborn child is nothing but a victim in this scenario.
 
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Excon said:
No you look . . . that way. :doh


What you have just said is as irrelevant as it is emotional.

Don't place your subjective morality on others.
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It has to do with responsibility and people trying to defer responsibility onto the fetus instead of taking the full responsibility for their actions.
 
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No one said it was. Why does someone have to be "to blame" at all? Some people use contraception perfectly, and it fails anyway.

Abortion IS responsible. It is doing something actively to address what she sees as a problem or intrusion. It's expensive and physically unpleasant at the very least, and to some women also stressful emotionally.

But tell me, why does a woman have to feel horrible and shameful in order for it to be ok to you? Why can't she just outright have the right to her body without having to meet a certain threshold of suffering?
 
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ChrisL said:
It has to do with responsibility and people trying to defer responsibility onto the fetus instead of taking the full responsibility for their actions.
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Onto the fetus?
That is nothing more than your subjective morality speaking.


Aborting is a responsible action. You may or may not agree with it, but it is still a responsible action.

Morally, specifically mine, not bringing a child into this ****ed up world is a responsible action.
 
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I'm not saying that it isn't in some cases. I'm saying that it is wrong to vilify the fetus, which is just what happens in ALL of these threads, and it's really disgusting. Take responsibility for your own decisions. You know fully what the consequences could be.
 
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ChrisL said:
I'm saying that it is wrong to vilify the fetus, which is just what happens in ALL of these threads, and it's really disgusting.
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It does? Then please feel free to point it out, as I do not see anyone doing so.
Meaning, no one has blamed the fetus for simply coming into existence.
 
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Do you think over a million abortions a year are because of legitimate reasons? Or do you think that maybe some people were irresponsible, and are offered an "easy" way out?
 
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Excon said:
It does? Then please feel free to point it out.
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Read the damn threads! Not only THAT but let's look at some of the tasteless jokes too.
 
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Define proper justification....because for many forcing a woman to carry a child to term as the alternative is justification.
 
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ChrisL said:
Do you think over a million abortions a year are because of legitimate reasons? Or do you think that maybe some people were irresponsible, and are offered an "easy" way out?
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Any reason for not wanting a child is legitimate. Who are you to say they are not.
You want to say a reason is selfish, go ahead, it is still legitimate.
 
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Excon said:
Any reason for not wanting a child is legitimate. Who are you to say they are not.
You want to say a reason is selfish, go ahead, it is still legitimate.
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Okay, it's selfish and a rotten thing to do IMO. If you are going to do that, you should own it and not make excuses for yourself. Just come out and say, I want to have sex, and if I get pregnant, I'm going to kill the unborn child because that's how I roll.
 
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ChrisL said:
Read the damn threads! Not only THAT but let's look at some of the tasteless jokes too.
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I was in the process of editing when you replied.
It does? Then please feel free to point it out, as I do not see anyone doing so.
Meaning, no one has blamed the fetus for simply coming into existence.​
And I have no reason to read any other thread unless you are going to point out specifically what you mean.
 
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I bet you are one of the people that would throw the Fat Man onto the tracks.
 
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ChrisL said:
Do you think over a million abortions a year are because of legitimate reasons? Or do you think that maybe some people were irresponsible, and are offered an "easy" way out?
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I think any reason a woman decides is a legitimate reason. She has nothing to prove to me.

I have no desire to see her suffer, and I don't think having a child should be thought of as punishment, which you advocate when you say she's getting out of something.

If you're asking if they all used contraception correctly, obviously not. That's why our abortion rates are higher than most of the rest of the developed world, despite their sex practices being similar. We teach ignorance, and we have a certain responsibility as a society for that as well. So if you want to see those come down significantly, which we could certainly do, then I suggest you get (or stay) on the sex ed train and teach it to your child.
 
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Are you saying that some women do not say that?

Not wanting to be encumbered with a child is a valid reason. Period.
Not wanting to bring a child into this ****ed-up world is a valid reason.
Simply not wanting to have children is a valid reason.

So wtf does it matter to you the reason they state? It really shouldn't.

It seems that your whole position is nothing more than an emotional one.
So why don't you just admit the irrelevancy of emotional positions?
 
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joG said:
I bet you are one of the people that would throw the Fat Man onto the tracks.
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You think that do you? :doh

That's nice.
:lamo
 
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Fedor50 said:
Terrible analogy. Are you really trying to equate a woman getting being pregnant to a man assaulting you? Really?
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If that hypothetical man wants to FORCE a woman to remain pregnant and give birth against her will, YES, REALLY, I DO consider that to be a grievous bodily assault. Especially if that man deliberately GOT the woman pregnant by sabotaging her birth control. Whether or not YOU like my equating forced gestation to assault is irrelevant.
 
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Fedor50 said:
It is wrong to take the life of an innocent human being without proper justification.

Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being without proper justification.

Therefore abortion is WRONG!
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If it were really JUST THAT SIMPLE, it wouldn't be one of the most long-running and contentious issues in American politics.
 
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I am taking issue with people who seem to want to blame the fetus for "attacking" their bodies. That is ridiculous. We are MEANT to reproduce, like it or not.
 
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Excon said:
You think that do you? :doh

That's nice.
:lamo
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I tought you'd like that.
 
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ChrisL said:
I am taking issue with people who seem to want to blame the fetus for "attacking" their bodies. That is ridiculous. We are MEANT to reproduce, like it or not.
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And like it or not, Chris, a woman who doesn't WANT to reproduce has the same right to choose NOT to have a child as another woman does to continue her pregnancy. EACH woman, myself included, has the right to decide for HERSELF whether or not to continue a pregnancy. If she chooses to continue it, fine; if not, also fine. Either way, it is HER decision alone, not yours, not mine, not anyone else's.

Obviously, preventing unwanted pregnancy by using contraception is the preferred option. But as we all know, NO contraceptive method is 100% guaranteed against unwanted pregnancy. So BC failures can and do happen, even with careful and regular use. And no woman should have to be forced into abstinence because she doesn't want to get pregnant. Bottom line; if it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision. Period.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Look it up for yourself, I'm done doing other people's homework for them.
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Why the churlish attitude? He's new here and may be unfamiliar with your posts/views. Heck, I'm unfamiliar with them too because you don't regularly post in this forum. A one-sentence statement would be very helpful.
 
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molten_dragon said:
If it were really JUST THAT SIMPLE, it wouldn't be one of the most long-running and contentious issues in American politics.
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Exactly. Now tell that to everybody in this forum, irrespective of viewpoint. This is a complex issue that pits rights against each other and in which there are many genuine conflicting ideas. Elective abortion is not "simple."
 
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nota bene said:
Why the churlish attitude? He's new here and may be unfamiliar with your posts/views. Heck, I'm unfamiliar with them too because you don't regularly post in this forum. A one-sentence statement would be very helpful.
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I gave 'em a link, whaddaya want? I'm unfamiliar with you too.

Why your churlish attitude? Put me on ignore, please.
 
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Excon said:
It does? Then please feel free to point it out, as I do not see anyone doing so.
Meaning, no one has blamed the fetus for simply coming into existence.
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Not only is the fetus frequently faulted for simply coming into existence, but one of the frequent themes in this forum is the fetus-as-rapist.
 
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