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Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Religion

by Swami Abhedananda, 12th ed., 1976, Replicated without permission

A Hindu distinguishes the religion of the Churches from the religion of Jesus the Christ. Speaking from the Hindu standpoint, the religion which the Churches uphold and preach today, which has been built around the personality of Jesus the Christ and which is popularly known as Christianity, should be called 'Churchianity,' in contradiction to the pure religion of the heart which was taught by Jesus the Christ and practiced by his disciples. The religion of Christ, or true Christianity, had no dogma, no creed, no system, no theology. It was a religion of the heart, a religion of the heart, a religion without any ceremonial, without ritual, without priestcraft; it was not based upon any book, but upon the feelings of the heart, upon direct communion of the individual soul with the Heavenly Father. On the contrary, the religion of the church is based upon a book, believes in dogmas, professes a creed, has an organize system for preaching it, is backed up by theologies, performs rituals, practices ceremonials, and obeys the commands of a host of priests.

The popular history of Churchianity began from 325 after Christ, the 20th year of the reign of Constantine the Great, when the famous Council was convened at the City of Nicea. Those who have read the life of this august Roman Emperor will remember how remarkable was the character of this, socalled, pious supporter of the Church dogmas. He put to death his own son and his wife Fausta on groundless suspicion, cut off his brother-in-law Licinius and the unoffending son of Licinius and massacred every one of his rivals. Nevertheless, the Greek Church has canonized him, and adores the memory of St. Constantine.

It was Constantine the Great, who issued a decree in 321 A.D., for the general observance of Sunday, instead of the Jewish Sabbath. He hated the Jews and everything connected with the Jews, and said, "This day shall be regarded as a special occasion for prayer, because it is the Sun's day, the day of our Lord." Since that time, the Church has accepted that decree, ignoring the fact that this was the day for the worship of the sun among the pagans.

It was Constantine the Great, who decided what should be the creed of the Church, and commanded the assembled bishops to receive the decrees of the Council of Nicea as the dictates of the Holy Spirit. Since that time the church has given authenticity to that creed, which is repeated almost every Sunday in all the orthodox Churches in Christendom.

The horrifying accounts of fraud, political wirepulling, theological jugglery, ecclesiastical scandal mongery, passions breaking forth into curses and anathemas, bloody massacres and inhuman assassinations in the ecumenical councils, show that these were the principal instruments in the building up of the creed of Churchianity. Readers of ecclesiastical history will remember that in one of the following the great council of Nicea, maidens were insulted and scourged, the holy temple was profaned, books were thrown into flames, and the church and baptistry were burned and monks were trodden underfoot. Such were the deeds of the pious bishops and founders of Churchianity.

In the Council of Ephesus, which was held in 431 A.D., monks and bishops screamed, "Whoso speaks of two natures is a Nestorius, and let him be cut asunder." A bishop was kicked to death by another bishop in the course of their arguments and 137 corpses were left in a church to attest the convincing reasons by which the most ruffianly side proved in orthodoxy.

Such were the assemblies of saints who formed the pillars of the structure of Churchianity. We can easily imagine the nature of the guiding spirit of those councils which established the creed of the church. From the beginning of the history of the Churches, down to the present day, freedom of thought and freedom and speech, which are the most essential characteristics of true religion, have been suppressed; and fanaticism, bigotry, curses, anathema, religious persecution, tortures of inquisition and diabolical crimes have been committed in the name of religion. Hatred, cruelty and fighting have reigned in the place of love, mercy, kindness, peace, and good-will. The creed of the church would have vanished away from the world if swords were not drawn and innocent blood were not shed in the name of religion. The deeds of Churchianity are written indelibly upon the pages of the religious history of the world. Shall we wonder, then if the humane, kind, gently, peace-loving hearts of the Hindus, that are ver ready to send forth blessings, good-will, benediction, and a current of love toward humanity, nay, toward all living creatures, reject Churchianity? Shall we wonder that the Hindus, who recognize Divinity in the souls of all, should refuse to accept a system which was founded upon the barren soil of dogmas, fertilized with the vital forces squeezed out of the hearts of innocent humanity, and nourished by the blood of martyrs?

We do not hear about the four canonical Gospels until the time of Irenius, Bishop of Lyons in Gaul, who lived 178-200 A.D. He was the real founder of the Church Canon. It was Irenius who first mentioned four gospels. His arguments for accepting four Gospels were very remarkable.

By a strange irony of fate, the Hindu sees today that the followers of Churchianity, ignoring its past history, have come over to India to tell the socalled "heathen" how Churchianity has civilized the world, how it has brought peace on earth, and how it has saved the souls of sinners. But a Hindu is a lover of Truth and Freedom. Freedom of thought and freedom of speech are his guiding stars. From ancient times, search after Truth and unswerving love for Truth have forced the minds of the Hindus to make rational investigation into matters that have been presented to them. It is very difficult to persuade a Hindu to blindly believe in anything. Before he accepts a dogma as truth he must trace its source and with all the arguments, pros and cons, and then compare it with the highest ideals that are known to his country. Stimulated by this natural tendency and by his love of truth, when a Hindu studies the facts upon which Churchianity is founded, he first reads the Bible as critically as possible, applies logic and reason at every step; and then he looks into all the available writings of those western scholars and critics who have made an impartial examination of the Christian Scriptures from the standpoint of historical researches.

I know many Hindus who read Thomas Paine's _Age_of_Reason_ before they opened a page of the Bible. A Hindu knows that there has been a great dispute in the present century among Western scholars regarding the historical personality of Jesus the Nazareth, as it is described in the synoptic gospels. Therefore he doubts the historical side of the personality of Jesus of the gospels. He also knows that he researches of the higher critics of the Bible have shown that the descriptions of the canonical Gospels, regarding the events connected with the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, do not harmonize with the facts of history which can be gathered form other sources.

A missionary preaches in India that the New Testament is the revealed scripture, or word of God. The educated Hindus, however, know that Jesus did not leave any writings of his own, nor did any of his direct disciples write any of the gospels which were accepted by the church as the infallible and revealed word of God. They are also familiar with the fact that there are absolutely no contemporary records or accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus, either in the Bible itself or outside of it; and that the earliest of the writings, in the order of their composition, were the genuine epistles of Paul.

Subject: Churchianity vs. The True Religion of Christ The following is from a small public
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Very good....it has long been my belief that the original intent of Jesus has been thoroughly corrupted by man....sometimes without bad intent, but corrupted none the less...
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Very good....it has long been my belief that the original intent of Jesus has been thoroughly corrupted by man....sometimes without bad intent, but corrupted none the less...

I've always been astonished by how few Christians are actually "Christ-like".
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Very good....it has long been my belief that the original intent of Jesus has been thoroughly corrupted by man....sometimes without bad intent, but corrupted none the less...

When the Catholic church chose the four gospels. They used the four that most accurately depicts the medium of christian stories. Even most "other" gospels are fairly close to each
other.

Ofcourse, there are some exotic ones that have some peculiar texts in them.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

When the Catholic church chose the four gospels. They used the four that most accurately depicts the medium of christian stories. Even most "other" gospels are fairly close to each
other.

Ofcourse, there are some exotic ones that have some peculiar texts in them.

What is your point? The way that you worded your sentence is confusing and does not seem to respond to the post you quoted.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

I knew a Hindu family long ago, they called me to review some blueprints where they wanted some changes in the house's inside structure and the outside as well, including some receptacles for Christmas lights.

"Christmas decoration lights?" I asked them. They told me that they found those decorations to be very pretty, and such was the reason given.

Inside their house, the wife showed me lots of gods figures over the door frames, over the tables, etc. There were about two hundred gods in total, and they were thinking to buy some more. As I was curious I asked them about Christ in reference to the Hindu theology, and t hey told me that they can accept Christ as another god, but not so as their only god. Well, this was their answer, I cannot assume that their answer is the official statement by their religious leaders.

I guess -a wild guess- that for this family, this is the reason why they might accept Christ but reject Christianity.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Religion

by Swami Abhedananda, 12th ed., 1976, Replicated without permission

A Hindu distinguishes the religion of the Churches from the religion of Jesus the Christ. Speaking from the Hindu standpoint, the religion which the Churches uphold and preach today, which has been built around the personality of Jesus the Christ and which is popularly known as Christianity, should be called 'Churchianity,' in contradiction to the pure religion of the heart which was taught by Jesus the Christ and practiced by his disciples. The religion of Christ, or true Christianity, had no dogma, no creed, no system, no theology. It was a religion of the heart, a religion of the heart, a religion without any ceremonial, without ritual, without priestcraft; it was not based upon any book, but upon the feelings of the heart, upon direct communion of the individual soul with the Heavenly Father. On the contrary, the religion of the church is based upon a book, believes in dogmas, professes a creed, has an organize system for preaching it, is backed up by theologies, performs rituals, practices ceremonials, and obeys the commands of a host of priests.

The popular history of Churchianity began from 325 after Christ, the 20th year of the reign of Constantine the Great, when the famous Council was convened at the City of Nicea. Those who have read the life of this august Roman Emperor will remember how remarkable was the character of this, socalled, pious supporter of the Church dogmas. He put to death his own son and his wife Fausta on groundless suspicion, cut off his brother-in-law Licinius and the unoffending son of Licinius and massacred every one of his rivals. Nevertheless, the Greek Church has canonized him, and adores the memory of St. Constantine.

It was Constantine the Great, who issued a decree in 321 A.D., for the general observance of Sunday, instead of the Jewish Sabbath. He hated the Jews and everything connected with the Jews, and said, "This day shall be regarded as a special occasion for prayer, because it is the Sun's day, the day of our Lord." Since that time, the Church has accepted that decree, ignoring the fact that this was the day for the worship of the sun among the pagans.

It was Constantine the Great, who decided what should be the creed of the Church, and commanded the assembled bishops to receive the decrees of the Council of Nicea as the dictates of the Holy Spirit. Since that time the church has given authenticity to that creed, which is repeated almost every Sunday in all the orthodox Churches in Christendom.

The horrifying accounts of fraud, political wirepulling, theological jugglery, ecclesiastical scandal mongery, passions breaking forth into curses and anathemas, bloody massacres and inhuman assassinations in the ecumenical councils, show that these were the principal instruments in the building up of the creed of Churchianity. Readers of ecclesiastical history will remember that in one of the following the great council of Nicea, maidens were insulted and scourged, the holy temple was profaned, books were thrown into flames, and the church and baptistry were burned and monks were trodden underfoot. Such were the deeds of the pious bishops and founders of Churchianity.

In the Council of Ephesus, which was held in 431 A.D., monks and bishops screamed, "Whoso speaks of two natures is a Nestorius, and let him be cut asunder." A bishop was kicked to death by another bishop in the course of their arguments and 137 corpses were left in a church to attest the convincing reasons by which the most ruffianly side proved in orthodoxy.

Such were the assemblies of saints who formed the pillars of the structure of Churchianity. We can easily imagine the nature of the guiding spirit of those councils which established the creed of the church. From the beginning of the history of the Churches, down to the present day, freedom of thought and freedom and speech, which are the most essential characteristics of true religion, have been suppressed; and fanaticism, bigotry, curses, anathema, religious persecution, tortures of inquisition and diabolical crimes have been committed in the name of religion. Hatred, cruelty and fighting have reigned in the place of love, mercy, kindness, peace, and good-will. The creed of the church would have vanished away from the world if swords were not drawn and innocent blood were not shed in the name of religion. The deeds of Churchianity are written indelibly upon the pages of the religious history of the world. Shall we wonder, then if the humane, kind, gently, peace-loving hearts of the Hindus, that are ver ready to send forth blessings, good-will, benediction, and a current of love toward humanity, nay, toward all living creatures, reject Churchianity? Shall we wonder that the Hindus, who recognize Divinity in the souls of all, should refuse to accept a system which was founded upon the barren soil of dogmas, fertilized with the vital forces squeezed out of the hearts of innocent humanity, and nourished by the blood of martyrs?

We do not hear about the four canonical Gospels until the time of Irenius, Bishop of Lyons in Gaul, who lived 178-200 A.D. He was the real founder of the Church Canon. It was Irenius who first mentioned four gospels. His arguments for accepting four Gospels were very remarkable.

By a strange irony of fate, the Hindu sees today that the followers of Churchianity, ignoring its past history, have come over to India to tell the socalled "heathen" how Churchianity has civilized the world, how it has brought peace on earth, and how it has saved the souls of sinners. But a Hindu is a lover of Truth and Freedom. Freedom of thought and freedom of speech are his guiding stars. From ancient times, search after Truth and unswerving love for Truth have forced the minds of the Hindus to make rational investigation into matters that have been presented to them. It is very difficult to persuade a Hindu to blindly believe in anything. Before he accepts a dogma as truth he must trace its source and with all the arguments, pros and cons, and then compare it with the highest ideals that are known to his country. Stimulated by this natural tendency and by his love of truth, when a Hindu studies the facts upon which Churchianity is founded, he first reads the Bible as critically as possible, applies logic and reason at every step; and then he looks into all the available writings of those western scholars and critics who have made an impartial examination of the Christian Scriptures from the standpoint of historical researches.

I know many Hindus who read Thomas Paine's _Age_of_Reason_ before they opened a page of the Bible. A Hindu knows that there has been a great dispute in the present century among Western scholars regarding the historical personality of Jesus the Nazareth, as it is described in the synoptic gospels. Therefore he doubts the historical side of the personality of Jesus of the gospels. He also knows that he researches of the higher critics of the Bible have shown that the descriptions of the canonical Gospels, regarding the events connected with the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, do not harmonize with the facts of history which can be gathered form other sources.

A missionary preaches in India that the New Testament is the revealed scripture, or word of God. The educated Hindus, however, know that Jesus did not leave any writings of his own, nor did any of his direct disciples write any of the gospels which were accepted by the church as the infallible and revealed word of God. They are also familiar with the fact that there are absolutely no contemporary records or accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus, either in the Bible itself or outside of it; and that the earliest of the writings, in the order of their composition, were the genuine epistles of Paul.

Subject: Churchianity vs. The True Religion of Christ The following is from a small public
Interesting and thoughful.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

The article is a little off.

I am non-denominational and have not been affiliated with a church for many years. I agree for the most part but things like...

"the pure religion of the heart which was taught by Jesus the Christ and practiced by his disciples. The religion of Christ, or true Christianity, had no dogma, no creed, no system, no theology. It was a religion of the heart, a religion of the heart, a religion without any ceremonial, without ritual, without priestcraft; it was not based upon any book, but upon the feelings of the heart, upon direct communion of the individual soul with the Heavenly Father."

If you go by the Gospels you find a few things the article ignores almost completely...

#1 Jesus was a practicing Jew, and kept the laws of Moses.

"“Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment."

This was the first, and one of the greatest commandments but far from the end of the line for any Christian. The author seems to think this is the only law Jesus spoke about. But Jesus continued...

"And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” "

Jesus spoke about quite a few things to attain heaven and again the author ignors this as far as I can tell.

So for the "Hindu" to accept just one part of the gospels as truth but the rest of the Gospels as wrong smacks of hypocrisy.

He also mentions...

"A Hindu knows that there has been a great dispute in the present century among Western scholars regarding the historical personality of Jesus the Nazareth, as it is described in the synoptic gospels. Therefore he doubts the historical side of the personality of Jesus of the gospels."

This is just out of sink. Does anyone know why the "synoptic gospels" were never even considered for including in the Bible? Well it mite have to do with the fact they were written 400 years or so after the death and resurrection of Jesus.

So because of an account that to the biblical scholars of that time and now agree was not authentic, the accepted ones are not accurate?

Makes no sense at all.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

I've always been astonished by how few Christians are actually "Christ-like".

You should not be. We are humans just like anyone else and subject to the same desires etc as anyone else.

Even when you are saved it does not make you a little Christian robot that only does good or acts "Christ like".
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

You should not be. We are humans just like anyone else and subject to the same desires etc as anyone else.

Even when you are saved it does not make you a little Christian robot that only does good or acts "Christ like".

Then let me re-phrase that: I am surprised by how many nominal Christians there are. I find it sad that I, an atheist for lack of a better term, tend to know more about the Bible than most people I encounter everyday who call themselves Christians.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Then let me re-phrase that: I am surprised by how many nominal Christians there are. I find it sad that I, an atheist for lack of a better term, tend to know more about the Bible than most people I encounter everyday who call themselves Christians.

Yep, that is the honest truth. :lol:
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Then let me re-phrase that: I am surprised by how many nominal Christians there are. I find it sad that I, an atheist for lack of a better term, tend to know more about the Bible than most people I encounter everyday who call themselves Christians.

The bible talks about this...it calls em Babies...it sucks, but the vast majority of people who call themselves fall into this catagory...even i'm still at that stage...many pastors are still at that stage...and when you have baby pastors leading baby churches you have a bunch of baby christians running around who don't know what they are talking about....And they unfortunately set the standard often times by which all christians are held...:(
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

The article is a little off.

I am non-denominational and have not been affiliated with a church for many years. I agree for the most part but things like...

"the pure religion of the heart which was taught by Jesus the Christ and practiced by his disciples. The religion of Christ, or true Christianity, had no dogma, no creed, no system, no theology. It was a religion of the heart, a religion of the heart, a religion without any ceremonial, without ritual, without priestcraft; it was not based upon any book, but upon the feelings of the heart, upon direct communion of the individual soul with the Heavenly Father."

If you go by the Gospels you find a few things the article ignores almost completely...

#1 Jesus was a practicing Jew, and kept the laws of Moses.

"“Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment."

This was the first, and one of the greatest commandments but far from the end of the line for any Christian. The author seems to think this is the only law Jesus spoke about. But Jesus continued...

"And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” "

Jesus spoke about quite a few things to attain heaven and again the author ignors this as far as I can tell.

So for the "Hindu" to accept just one part of the gospels as truth but the rest of the Gospels as wrong smacks of hypocrisy.

He also mentions...

"A Hindu knows that there has been a great dispute in the present century among Western scholars regarding the historical personality of Jesus the Nazareth, as it is described in the synoptic gospels. Therefore he doubts the historical side of the personality of Jesus of the gospels."

This is just out of sink. Does anyone know why the "synoptic gospels" were never even considered for including in the Bible? Well it mite have to do with the fact they were written 400 years or so after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
So because of an account that to the biblical scholars of that time and now agree was not authentic, the accepted ones are not accurate?

Makes no sense at all.

synoptic gospels are Matthew, Mark, and Luke....you do know that right?
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

synoptic gospels are Matthew, Mark, and Luke....you do know that right?

Doh! I thought it said "Gnostic" for some strange reason. Teach me to type will tired.

Nothing to see here people, move along. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Doh! I thought it said "Gnostic" for some strange reason. Teach me to type will tired.

Nothing to see here people, move along. :mrgreen:

been there, done that....spelling typos are bad enough, but to put in an entirely different word takes talent.
I have done it when I have 2 ways of saying the same thing, but type half of each, and it comes out strange...:lol:
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

After being brought down off the cross and nursed back to health Jesus ecaped the Roman Empire with his mother and followers and lived and died in the middle east. In the "lost years" of the life of Christ as a youth he was in the middle east learning tolerance and discipline from the Hindu faith as well as other off-shoots of Hinduism. These same teachings he brought back to the west and of course was crucified for them. His mother accompanied him in his escape and she is likely buried in Pakistan and near by is the tomb of Christ but all in the area deny this so as to prevent the nuts of the Christian world from escating both tombs.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

After being brought down off the cross and nursed back to health Jesus ecaped the Roman Empire with his mother and followers and lived and died in the middle east. In the "lost years" of the life of Christ as a youth he was in the middle east learning tolerance and discipline from the Hindu faith as well as other off-shoots of Hinduism. These same teachings he brought back to the west and of course was crucified for them. His mother accompanied him in his escape and she is likely buried in Pakistan and near by is the tomb of Christ but all in the area deny this so as to prevent the nuts of the Christian world from escating both tombs.

That is an interesting concept. Do you have some evidence that you could recommend for me to read?
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

You should not be. We are humans just like anyone else and subject to the same desires etc as anyone else.

Even when you are saved it does not make you a little Christian robot that only does good or acts "Christ like".
Why not? Isn't that one of the points of xianity? To be more Christ-like? To aspire to live in the manner Jesus taught? To just say we are not perfect is to simply excuse... shouldn't you at least be trying to be perfect instead of excusing ALL of your imperfections; especially those which you CAN change?

In Catholicism you go to confession. But confession isn't just to admit your wrongs, your sins, it's to say, I did this and I know I shouldn't. The priest doesn't say, 10 hail marys and 5 our fathers, now go and do it again, he says go and sin no more.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

After being brought down off the cross and nursed back to health Jesus ecaped the Roman Empire with his mother and followers and lived and died in the middle east. In the "lost years" of the life of Christ as a youth he was in the middle east learning tolerance and discipline from the Hindu faith as well as other off-shoots of Hinduism. These same teachings he brought back to the west and of course was crucified for them. His mother accompanied him in his escape and she is likely buried in Pakistan and near by is the tomb of Christ but all in the area deny this so as to prevent the nuts of the Christian world from escating both tombs.
I saw that show too... but I think you have the times wrong. I believe the hypothesis is that, after surviving the crucifiction, Jesus and his family went to india to escape the romans and to learn of hinduism. Later the apostle Thomas went there as well. This is why the gospel of Thomas was not included in the bible and why Thomas doubted the ressurection and why the Gospel of Thomas is so very different than the 4 canonized gospels.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

That is an interesting concept. Do you have some evidence that you could recommend for me to read?

Here's a good read: Ahmed Deedat - Crucifixion or Cruci-Fiction?
CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION --- By Ahmed Deedat

It's a bit long, but it has some nice insight to troubling questions like "Who Moved the Stone"?
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

I've always been astonished by how few Christians are actually "Christ-like".
I'm surprised that any are Chist-like. We are very imperfect, and can only try, and that is why only through God's grace can we be made perfect.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

I'm surprised that any are Chist-like. We are very imperfect, and can only try, and that is why only through God's grace can we be made perfect.
When are you xians going to start trying? Is there a specific date that you stop doing whatever the **** you want and claiming imperfection and start trying to be Christ-like?
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Why not? Isn't that one of the points of xianity? To be more Christ-like? To aspire to live in the manner Jesus taught?

Yes to be more Christ like, not perfect as no one can attain that.

To just say we are not perfect is to simply excuse...

If you are a real Christian now, you are righteous, but sin can change that righteousness and bring you to your death spiritually speaking, just like Adam and Eve.

So this is no excuse. It does however explain that we can and do fall short of the glory of God.

Jesus died so we may be forgiven, and remain righteous.

shouldn't you at least be trying to be perfect instead of excusing ALL of your imperfections; especially those which you CAN change?

Who are you to judge? That is between the individual and God.

In Catholicism you go to confession. But confession isn't just to admit your wrongs, your sins, it's to say, I did this and I know I shouldn't. The priest doesn't say, 10 hail marys and 5 our fathers, now go and do it again, he says go and sin no more.

So what? That is Catholicism. I am not Catholic, and they are not the final word on God, Jesus or anything else for that matter.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

Here's a good read: Ahmed Deedat - Crucifixion or Cruci-Fiction?
CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION --- By Ahmed Deedat

It's a bit long, but it has some nice insight to troubling questions like "Who Moved the Stone"?

I meant real evidence, not the unscientific conjecture of this man.

Although it was an intresting read.
 
Re: Why a Hindu accepts Christ and rejects Christianity: Churchianity vs the true Rel

When are you xians going to start trying? Is there a specific date that you stop doing whatever the **** you want and claiming imperfection and start trying to be Christ-like?

Again I ask who are you to judge? I have caught you more than one time lying or exaggerating positions etc. So your opinion or conjecture counts for little. Your credibility is down to 0.

I mean really, until you know every Christian on earth personally you are still making gross blanket and bigoted statements.

Par for the course I guess.
 
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