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Who's at fault?

is whaling wrong?


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hunting for food is illegal. and that is precisely what they are doing, and yes, protestors would try to stop them. it's illegal.

No, they're hunting to conduct scientific research.

You can't prove otherwise.

You people need to get the law changed.

I would support that.
 
You people need to get the law changed.

I would support that.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Instead of ramming fishing vessels, the sea shepherd's should be working to educate the public and get the laws changed. Durr.
 
In a free market, if whales became scarce, then the price would go up, prompting some to catch and maybe raise whales in order to reap the huge profits. After all, if you can get a good supply when prices are high, you stand to make a huge profit. The market will keep the species around.

What happens if you outlaw it? Well obviously raising whales would be impossible logistically. How hard is it to find a whale, let alone a whale farm? So you'll create a black market for whales, and since there is no way to really take advantage of the high prices by increasing the supply, you'll put the animals at the brink of extinction.

Just basically a summary and application of a video from John Stossel I saw once.
 

Pretty much.

I would say the pirates decided their other methods weren't doing enough to keep their television show ratings high and thus decided to refuse to avoid a collision if the opportunity presented itself for that reason.
 
Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Instead of ramming fishing vessels, the sea shepherd's should be working to educate the public and get the laws changed. Durr.

The problem is the Sea Pirates and similar eco-cults don't understand how best to save the whales.


What's the problem with the whales today? They're considered a "precious" resource that shouldn't be owned by anyone. Thus, no one owns them, and no one is willing to go out of their way to protect them effectively.

How to fix this?

Capitalism, of course.

Under international law allow pods of whales to be auctioned for commercial ownership. The owners of the pods will be free to use those herds as they wish.

Very few people, and I mean practically no one, who own breeding livestock, will slaughter the entire herd so there's no chance of profit in the next season.

If Green Piece wins the bid, probably in a consortium with the Nature Conservancy, the whales don't get hunted at all.

Any other sensible investor will harvest only enough to maintain stable populations.

Asking a socialist to abandon his failing policies and accepting the successful policies of capitalism is as effective as asking the Ayatollah to accept Jesus Christ as his one and only Savior.
 
I would love to see one of the Japanese vessels harpoon the captain of the activists right off the deck of his ship and reel him in for research--he's quite a fat whale himself.
 
Just subscribing for this thread. I'll start whining and crying when e.g., the blue whale, extincts.

Makes sense to conduct scientific research Japan is so famous for. There's a lot of money in the tourist part of it, of idiots like me who love to see these majestic creatures.
 
I would say the pirates decided their other methods weren't doing enough to keep their television show ratings high and thus decided to refuse to avoid a collision if the opportunity presented itself for that reason.

I doubt they intended for the collision, they simply weren't competent to get out of the way. They are basically taking average joes off the street and making them do things that professional sailors avoid.
 
Just like bank robbers do.

You'll need a different definition, than the one you provided, to separate the two groups.

–noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

I'd do arrows and circles if I could. :roll:
 
Nothing was an "accident" the protesters know, as they all do, for their protest to be effective, they must get sympathy from the rest of the world. They must also get and keep the World attention.--It is an age old ploy, that actually works. "Save the snails"
 
The whaling ship did just what they are supposed to do under possible collision conditions.... sheer off to starboard.
 
I doubt they intended for the collision, they simply weren't competent to get out of the way. They are basically taking average joes off the street and making them do things that professional sailors avoid.

Right. The incompetence of the activist sailors is basically what gives the show its entertainment value.
 
Is there a limit to what you think is acceptable for civilians to try to stop whalers?

Yes. Murder & unnecessary violence. Nice try.
 

Wasn't it you who supported murdering an abortion provider to stop him from conducting his business? Does that make you a loon?
 

Only in the real world, animals go extinct because hunters have proven time and time again that they do not have any intention to moderate themselves or allow themselves to be regulated. So then what happens? Animals go extinct due to overhunting then your market simply moves on to the next animal. Forgive people in the real world for not caring much about applying 9th grade economics to the real world.

Some examples :

10 Most Amazing Extinct Animals - Oddee.com






What is necessary are stiffer penalties and explaining to people the dangers of destroying ecosystems.
 
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You are wrong here, the smaller vessel must always avoid the larger vessel due to maneuverability. Large ships don't turn on a dime, and you cannot prove that the larger ship was aware of the condition of the smaller vessel. They are a business, they are not out there trying to ram other vessels.
 
i find it amusing that a japanese whaler managed to sink a 1.5 million dollar stealth boat
 
I'm gonna go with "You can't deliberately cause a collision", under any circumstances, especially in open sea.....
If it were a narrow navigable channel, the larger ship would have right of way, not the case here....
As far as whales, are they really needed as a foodstuff?......
It's one of those things that should be regulated enough to not make it economically viable, IMO.....
 
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