Republicans scored points by reminding people that the Senate bill will be law with all the unseemly deals contained within it if passed by the House today and once the President signs it.
Are the Democrats and Obama even acknowledging the protesters? Or are they walled up in their arrogance and pushing damaging legislation because the spoiled one demands it. If this passes it will be struck down in court, and you'll see Republican's flocking into the House in November.
FWIW, I don't see any reason for them to acknowledge the protesters. I also very much doubt any challenge will be successful, though I certainly agree about November.
Are the Democrats and Obama even acknowledging the protesters? Or are they walled up in their arrogance and pushing damaging legislation because the spoiled one demands it. If this passes it will be struck down in court, and you'll see Republican's flocking into the House in November.
You mean like when the congress and president ignored the anti Iraq war protesters? Those arrogant conservatives....
November will be interesting, but I doubt it will be health care that is the big issue come November. The economy will be the issue that I believe most voters will vote on, and it's too early to say for sure what that will be like. Something to remember: not 6 months ago, some liberals where talking about how the Republican party was basically in disarray and no longer a factor in US politics. Things change fast in politics.
Sparks are flying on the floor.
National security is different from healthcare and economic policy. The majority of Americans supported the war on terror, we can't just pull out because many decided to pull their support for it. Regardless, if you are saying it was wrong for Bush not to pull out because the majority no longer supported it is it also wrong for Obama to push this when the majority doesn't want it?
I agree that the economy will be a big issue, but healthcare will be an important one too. If the Republicans run on the fact that the Democrats and the Obama administration have pushed the debt through the roof and how they ignored the people and passed this healthcare legislation, I think they Republicans have a strong chance of winning many seats. Things do change quickly in politics, but when people will remember what is going on now and they will certainly remember when their insurance premiums go up or have to buy a more expensive policy because the government told them to. Obama won because people remembered Bush's bad decisions and listened to Obama's hollow rhetoric. People will also remember Obama's debt rising policies and this bill that is trying to be passed against the will of the American people.
Well, the legal argument right now is that they say it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to buy health insurance and to fine people for not having it. The states also are going to file law suits because it forces them to add more to their budgets in a time where no one can afford to do so. I think there is a strong case for the legal battle, so long as their isn't court corruption. It is unconstitutional to force everyone to buy a private service or fine them for not buying it. I can't wait for November, although I would imagine some of these Dems know they are done and have been promised sweet deals by Obama.
We are getting off topic, but I mentioned the war in Iraq, which had exactly jack and **** to do with national security. My point was that it was not wrong for Bush to ignore those protesters, nor is it wrong for Obama to ignore these. It's reaching for something to bitch about to call Obama arrogant for ignoring them while they carry out the business of the day.
Democrats have been in a bad situation with this. Pass it and piss of the right, or not pass it and piss off their base.
I disagree about the strength of the state challenges, precisely because it's not structured as a fine but rather a tax.
Balkinization
It is unconstitutional to force everyone to buy a private service or fine them for not buying it.
I have been watching it all afternoon. Better than watching the Houston Astros, who really, really suck this year. LOL.
Almost time for the vote.
Jerrold Nadler NY: “This health insurance package, despite real inadequacies, solves real problems. A yes vote will save 45,000 lives per year. Bankruptcies will be athing of the past, capping out of pocket expenses, nobody will go broke because they get sick.”
Now I am not a legal scholar here, but how is it that mandated auto insurance would not have been shot down by the same lack of constitutionality then?
They have already pissed off their base by removing the public option. The hard left don't support this and they see it as craving into the special interests of insurance companies.
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