Who would Jesus kill?

LiberalAvenger · Oct 13, 2012

It seems like whenever someone critisizes anything about the US he is branded as unamerican.

Never mind the constitution and free speech, it's still unamerican.

The situtionan in this country now reminds me of the decline of the roman empire.

I imagine in the roman empire you would have been crucified for speaking critical against the establishment.

Like the dude in the video says, "I don't get invited to too many cocktail parties".

nota bene · Oct 13, 2012

helix2048 said:
Saying Jesus started Christianity is like saying Abe Lincoln was born in a log cabin he made with his bare hands.

I can't understand this attempt at analogy.

nota bene · Oct 13, 2012

LiberalAvenger said:
The answer to the question is obvious to me. Jesus would not kill anybody. He could have destroyed those who crucified him according to some believers. If you really believe in Jesus how could you even consider him killing anybody?

To me this book points out the hypocrisy oif some people, who believe in war, other than self defense.

The answer is obvious to me too. Jesus wouldn't kill anybody. He didn't kill anybody and, in fact, stopped the violence in the Garden of Gethsemane.

LiberalAvenger · Oct 13, 2012

nota bene said:
The answer is obvious to me too. Jesus wouldn't kill anybody. He didn't kill anybody and, in fact, stopped the violence in the Garden of Gethsemane.

That what was said in Mark 14.

Green Balls · Oct 13, 2012

nota bene said:
I can't understand this attempt at analogy.

Jesus didn't start Christianity. His disciples started Christianity, although there is speculation regarding that claim. Some people think Able Lincoln was born in a log cabin that he built, which isn't true. The moral here is people attribute things that other people have done, when in fact it is not true in the first place.

Surtr · Oct 14, 2012

Andalublue said:
Stating is not the same as explaining. How can we debate something if you don't explain your point of view? What "narrow minded scope" did you object to in the lecture?

What's there that you don't get? The very premise of it is one sided and biased. What I object to is this being passed off as anything more than a guy trying to sell a book.

LiberalAvenger said:
Sovereignty is becoming a thing of the past with globalization.

And I'm sure some would love to see it happen.

It seems like whenever someone critisizes anything about the US he is branded as unamerican.

No one said he was unamerican, I said it was a tasteless jab.

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Klown said:
In fact, there is a strong correlation between the external brutality and immorality of a community or nation and its level of perceived enlightenment

Not being enlightened is a good thing? Are you claiming that the Iranian regime is more moral and than US democracy?

German guy said:
But many Christians support death penalty or war under certain circumstances. Why is that? Are they simply not consistent?

Not all wars are in response to attack.

German guy said:
That's true. But it's all in the Old Testament. Someone in this thread claimed the New Testament does not condone killing, and Christians are no longer obliged to the old law.

Jesus satisfied the ceremonial laws, and those are no longer required. Moral law, however, remains. We see this distinction in most denominations removing the 4th commandment (sabbath), while a couple consider sabbath as a moral law and thus still in effect.

Klown said:
All tyrants and fascist empires and dictatorships claim allegiance to God.

Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot...

Klown · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
Not being enlightened is a good thing? Are you claiming that the Iranian regime is more moral and than US democracy?

Well lets look at the record.

Since the end of WW2 the US has invaded or attacked 37 nations, all of which didnt attack the USA first and almost all of which were defenseless. These military actions has resulted in over 23 million civilian deaths.

Iran on the other hand has not attacked any other nations for over 2 centuries with its major war being against Iraq - and it was the US backed IRaq that instigated that war.

So I am not sure what moral high ground you are shouting from

(incidentally, the USA isnt a Democracy - and never has been. Its current regime is best described as a fascist Corpocratic Oligarchy that enlsaves its population and export violence and greed)

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Sorry I asked.

Klown · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
Sorry I asked.

The only thing you should be sorry about are the war crimes and atrocities of your beloved US of A

crimes that are going on as we speak

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Klown said:
The only thing you should be sorry about are the war crimes and atrocities of your beloved US of A

crimes that are going on as we speak

I want to invade and nationbuild Iran. You'll have to take the above nonsense elsewhere.

Andalublue · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
I want to invade and nationbuild Iran. You'll have to take the above nonsense elsewhere.

As long as it's you on your own, I have no problem with this. In fact send me your paypal account and I'll contribute to your IranAir ticket. :mrgreen:

I'll keep a close eye on YouTube for the swinging eco vid.

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Andalublue said:
As long as it's you on your own, I have no problem with this. In fact send me your paypal account and I'll contribute to your IranAir ticket. :mrgreen:

I'll keep a close eye on YouTube for the swinging eco vid.

I served my time, as a paratrooper. Volunteered during war. Left an expensive private uni to do so. I've lost close friends. I've walked the talk.

You can save the childish BS for someone else.

Andalublue · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
You can save the childish BS for someone else.

You're talking about childish bs and proposing invading a country you've no possible chance of doing so successfully. Yeah, we've all heard about your service history. You tell us about it in about 75% of all threads your post in. :roll:

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Andalublue said:
you've no possible chance of doing so successfully.

Shows what you know.

Anyway, claiming that someone cannot advocate something without doing it themself is stupid. Your response to me was also scummy because it implied you want me dead.

Yeah, we've all heard about your service history.

Only because so many people bust out the "then you do it personally" anytime they don't like an opinion, as if that somehow invalidates the opinion. Of course, when I say that I have walked the talk, they usually just get snippy and personal and make snide derogatory remarks.

Andalublue · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
Your response to me was also scummy because it implied you want me dead.

Don't be such a drama queen, eco. You know perfectly well I don't wish you dead. I did think your suggestion was foolish, but I was making fun of it, not saying I really want to see you swing. C'mon ffs.

Only because so many people bust out the "then you do it personally" anytime they don't like an opinion, as if that somehow invalidates the opinion. Of course, when I say that I have walked the talk, they usually just get snippy and personal and make snide derogatory remarks.

On the contrary, it appears you seem to think that because of your service we should give more credence to your neo-con take on foreign policy.

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Andalublue said:
On the contrary, it appears you seem to think that because of your service we should give more credence to your neo-con take on foreign policy.

Not at all. I just think "then you do it" comments can fairly eat a crap, because I did it (and because that's a stupid argument in the first place). I don't bring up my service until someone busts that lame slimy BS out. Surprisingly enough, it's the same few people who always run for that angle whenever their opinion lacks luster. How many times have you done so yourself? I count at least twice this month, to me.

So, you keep up that childish argument, and I'll keep noting that I have done it, and you can keep complaining about me mentioning my service. I wouldn't want anything to upset your sense of righteousness.

Andalublue · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
I don't bring up my service until someone busts that lame slimy BS out. Surprisingly enough, it's the same few people who always run for that angle whenever their opinion lacks luster. How many times have you done so yourself? I count at least twice this month, to me.

I guess it's pointless to ask you to link to where I have denigrated your service twice this month because a) I haven't, ever in fact and b) you're quite bad at backing up your rhetoric with evidence.

Stopandthink · Oct 14, 2012

LiberalAvenger said:
The only way I could condone killing is in self defense.

How about to protect someone else?

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Andalublue said:
I guess it's pointless to ask you to link to where I have denigrated your service twice this month because a) I haven't, ever in fact and b) you're quite bad at backing up your rhetoric with evidence.

I did not claim that you denigrated it. "Lame slimy BS" = "then you do it yourself" (a BS argument).

LiberalAvenger · Oct 14, 2012

Stopandthink said:
How about to protect someone else?

Yeah if it was the good person and not the bad person and especially a loved one, in a new york minute.

Klown · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
I want to invade and nationbuild Iran. You'll have to take the above nonsense elsewhere.

Did you ask the people of Iran?

Or are you going to implement standard racist fascist US imperialist policy?

And let me guess Iranina Oil will be funnelled into the corporate boards of US multinational oil giants

What about Saudi Arabia?

Will you invade them and re-build that fanatical fascist state?

Or does the US control the regime in that tyranny?

Interesting how you choose the nations you want to invade and the people you wish to slaughter (without their consent of course)

ecofarm's true colours are starting to bleach out

I wonder why he hates Iran and their people so much?

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Klown said:
Did you ask the people of Iran?

They told me to take this position.

What about Saudi Arabia?

Explained:

ecofarm said:
Iran takes care of Palestine, Lebanon and Syria as well.

After that? I'm not sure. I figure the last countries to get free will be China, Pakistan and North Korea. You might notice a common trait among those. In the case of China, th best we can do is nudge them along diplomatically and (probably more impactfully) economically; that's probably 2-4 generations. Pakistan I don't really have an idea; it's not resourceful enough for easy nationbuilding, and it doesn't have the infrastructure for such compared to Iraq and Iran. North Korea I have no idea either; what can we do there, they have no resources and have lived in total intellectual darkness for generations - that's not easily buildable.

But Iran? It still has an educated opposition (unlike Iraq, where Saddam killed everything that didn't yes-man him). There are still businessmen, professors, grad students and even minor officials that are free critical thinkers. Iran has social capital, but for how long? How long until the Iranian regime Saddams all of the opposition? Probably, as soon as they get nukes and no one can do anything.

ecofarm said:
I'd like to add, regarding the priorities:

There's a reason that SA is not on the top of our list. It works with the US against terrorists, it is not pursuing the bomb, it is not in violation of numerous UN stuff, it doesn't deny the Halocaust and it doesn't chant 'Death to America' in parliament. There are other reasons. I would guess that, presuming they continue to fight terrorism and play diplomatic and economic ball, they will be nudged along in the same manner as China; though, I expect China will maintain near-totalitarian State power longer than SA does.

Klown · Oct 14, 2012

ecofarm said:
They told me to take this position.

Explained:

Sounds like you take your orders from Zio fascists - there is a distinct pattern in your racist mutterings

ecofarm · Oct 14, 2012

Klown said:
Interesting how you choose the nations you want to invade and the people you wish to slaughter (without their consent of course)

ecofarm's true colours are starting to bleach out

Klown said:
Sounds like you take your orders from Zio fascists - there is a distinct pattern in your racist mutterings

Why do I get called a Nazi/Islamophobe just because I'm a hawk? Are so many people really that ignorant?

I lived in rural Africa for two years and plan to settle there. What kind of nationalist racist does that?

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