See, and I think the fact that the current clown didn't get smoked hurts Ryan immensely. I think that the current clown went overboard on the clownishness in order to expose Ryan's overall weakness.
I have to qualify that, though, since I often give people more credit than they deserve for sneakiness of that sort which I would employ if I was in their position. Even if it was accidental, though, and Biden really is that much of a clown, the results are the same. Ryan looks weak because he could not dominate a clown.
See, and I think the fact that the current clown didn't get smoked hurts Ryan immensely. I think that the current clown went overboard on the clownishness in order to expose Ryan's overall weakness.
I have to qualify that, though, since I often give people more credit than they deserve for sneakiness of that sort which I would employ if I was in their position. Even if it was accidental, though, and Biden really is that much of a clown, the results are the same. Ryan looks weak because he could not dominate a clown.
yep, Donna Brazille claimed Obama won as she did with Biden. That is sort of like saying Hiroshima stomped the Enola Gay
I suppose I'm a bit more of a formalist in regard to the debates.
I steer away from the "he sabotaged himself to hurt the other" arguments; I think such impugns the character of the one being apologized for and is, thus, self-defeating.
What if Ryans plan was to let Biden hang himself?
No one neutral could have watched that and had respect for Biden after his childish behavior.
I thoroughly disagree. What kind of sane individual pushing 70 regards "clownishness," much less going "overboard" with it, as an appropriate demeanor?
A Republican said to me this morning that she was disappointed that Ryan didn't "take it" to Biden. That's not how I see it at all. I think Ryan realized--I certainly did--that he was going to be continually interrupted.
Ryan was prepared and dignified. He looked Presidential to me.
He didn't act the fool. Biden did with all his eye-rolling and smirking. I've never seen such a performance. Clownishness during a national debate?
I think most people saw it as two dems vs one Republican and it was a draw. that's pretty good
Oh, come on. Just like Obama looked unprepared and annoyed during the first debate, Ryan looked the same during this one. Ryan also looked a little boy. As Bill Maher (who I hate 99% of the time) said, "Call 911, there's an old man beating up a small boy on CNN." To say that he looked presidential is, in my opinion, a misunderstanding of what it means to be the President. That's not to say that Biden behaved like a President, either, keep in mind.Ryan was prepared and dignified. He looked Presidential to me.
It would have been so easy to take command of that stage without having to act the fool, without having to raise your voice, and without having to display emotions. Ryan didn't do it, and that's why it was even close. It was right there for the taking and Ryan failed to grab it, IMO.
you mean because the two democrats kept interrupting him?
the biggest loophole is half the country being able to engage in voting to jack up taxes they do not pay
I find it absolutely hilarious how the "personal responsibility" right is blaming Ryan's failures on Biden and the moderator. This is why I don't ever buy the personal responsibility talking point that comes from the right because they only ever apply it to other people - never themselves. Wait, I take that back, they apply it to themselves when they succeed, but never when they fail. In that case, everyone else is to blame. :lol:you mean because the two democrats kept interrupting him?
the biggest loophole is half the country being able to engage in voting to jack up taxes they do not pay
That's just it. HHe didn't take the bait. He did take command just by sitting there and being the grownup at the table.
you mean because the two democrats kept interrupting him?
the biggest loophole is half the country being able to engage in voting to jack up taxes they do not pay
Regardless of who won the debate, I don't condone the behavior put on display by Joe Biden last night. He CLEARLY showed disdain and held a Holier than Thou attitude throughout the debate. As I said before, this is unbecoming of both a politician and a person.
So you buy in to the 'makers and takers' rhetoric?
So you buy in to the 'makers and takers' rhetoric?
You're a socialist. Makers and takers defines your ideology. I make, you take.
those who are dependent on the government don't want the government to cut back handouts and those not paying income taxes really don't care if others have to pay more and they do care if tax cuts means they get less handouts
Baiting isn't exactly helpful to your case. Please find out what my political views are before making a post like that.
Thanks :bright:
those who are dependent on the government don't want the government to cut back handouts and those not paying income taxes really don't care if others have to pay more and they do care if tax cuts means they get less handouts
You're political views are posted right next to every single one of your posts. "Lean: Socialist".
Socialism is a very broad term.
Not what I'm asking. Do you believe that some substantial percentage of Americans are dependent on the government? That these people don't hold value to the country? That they're the 'takers' and, as the one of the 'makers' you don't have a responsibility towards them?
I'm just curious. :shrug:
But aren't social programs the underlying belief of socialists? Things like food stamps and wellfare programs? From who's pocket do you presume the funds for such programs become available?
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