Who Won the Republican Debate?

[WorldWatcher]

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I say none of them.

I'd like to nominate a former member of Congress and prior Vice President.

Vice President Bob Russell.

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[Tettsuo]

I personally thought Vivek's performance was pretty bad. Saying that he will pre-emptively pardon Trump and that climate change is a hoax just sounds insane, even among that crowd of imbeciles last night.

It's obvious that he is a total lightweight with no knowledge and no experience, even by MAGA standards.

Remember the crowd he's talking to. MAGA does not value intelligence and well-researched candidates. They like the impression of power and Vivek gave them that with his tone and boldly stupid answers.

 

[Nickyjo]

You marxist, socialist, progressive, woke democrats need to drop the MAGA crap.

We will if you fascist, racist, science-denying republicans will.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

I voted in the other poll thread that Haley was the strongest in the 'debate'. None of those people are really electable IMO. The party is on its death bed. Vote Democratic to support our country and protect our democracy. MAGATS will continue to destroy and divide.

 

[Hypothetical]

This is why you should have watched and be able to make you own assessment based on what you saw and heard. Nope, you are trusting someone else's opinion or possibly their personal likes or dislikes based on predetermined opinions.
Haley was OK, very good at times. DeSantis was very good most of the night. Ramaswamy was very good most of the night. Everyone else was ok, and at time gave very good answers. Haley was desperately trying to move up and it showed, she pulled a Trump move of attacking and speaking over Ramaswamy when he was talking several times. I like Haley, but I don't like it when they get into shouting matches or talk all over each other because you can't hear what anyone is saying..
I'd say DeSantis was the winner overall, good solid performance. Ramaswamy was next because he got to introduce himself and his ideas in front of millions, he is better known now. Haley might have picked a few percentage points, Scott may have picked up a few. Losers if there were any, would be Christie, Pence, and everyone else likely just held on.
The fact is that Trump still is the front runner by a lot. DeSantis is next by a good margin over the rest. For Haley, Pence, Christie they have to knock a few folks off the pile to pick up votes.

I also think Desantis did the best. he has also shown that he means what he says policy wise, in Florida.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Lots of people value flash over substance. Young people. I prefer substance. I'm with the mature adults.

Nothing he babbled is memorable. None of it made much sense. I got the same impression as Christie: ChatGPT.

He said climate change is a hoax and gave the impression that he sucks Putin for campaign cash. Other than that, I wanted to smack that frozen fake smile off his face. He's the kinda guy that gets drunk and loud and picks a fight with an old man. Who is sober. Who kicks his ass.

He's a punk. People like punks. Nothing I can do about that.

Certainly entitled to your opinion. I thought he did well most of the night. I'd prefer most of the attacks are left off but thats our politics. I don't think climate change is a hoax but I certainly think it's overblown and and greatly exaggerated. If it were true at we are being told we'd already be burnt up. The Associated Press published an apocalyptic warning issued by a U.N. official. Governments "have a ten year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effects before it goes beyond human control,". That warning was issued in 1989.

"Around the year 2030, in ten years, 250 days, and ten hours, we will be in a position where we set off and irreversible chain reaction beyond human control that will most likely lead to the end of our civilization as we know it," student climat activist Greta Thunberg, in 2019. "I don't want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic."
I want you to panic. Seems to be what many want. Therefore the end justifies the means?

These types of unfounded claims don't help. Allowing China and India to do nothing, (except build more coal fired energy plants, and sell us solar panel, Windmill and battery parts), and do absolutely nothing toward climate change is not helping. John Kerry's recent trip to China ended in the Chinese firmly telling him to go home and leave them alone.

For people like Kerry, and climate prophet Al Core, to fly around the world getting rich and leaving behind an enormous carbon footprint doesn't help and doesn't support the claims of an impeding doom.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I voted in the other poll thread that Haley was the strongest in the 'debate'. None of those people are really electable IMO. The party is on its death bed. Vote Democratic to support our country and protect our democracy. MAGATS will continue to destroy and divide.

Vote Democrat. MAGATS will destroy. I seen why you might not find any of those people electable. Half the nation disagrees. In fact more than half of your party doesn't want your current democrat President back in office.
To me one of the most damaging policy positions of the left is, biological men can be women and compete against biological women in athletics and dress in their dressing room. It's exactly that thinking that is destroying and dividing America. IMO.

 

[Michael Cole]

Certainly entitled to your opinion. I thought he did well most of the night.

Yes, it's a great free country.

I'd prefer most of the attacks are left off but thats our politics. I don't think climate change is a hoax but I certainly think it's overblown and and greatly exaggerated. If it were true at we are being told we'd already be burnt up. The Associated Press published an apocalyptic warning issued by a U.N. official. Governments "have a ten year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effects before it goes beyond human control,". That warning was issued in 1989.

"Around the year 2030, in ten years, 250 days, and ten hours, we will be in a position where we set off and irreversible chain reaction beyond human control that will most likely lead to the end of our civilization as we know it," student climat activist Greta Thunberg, in 2019. "I don't want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic."
I want you to panic. Seems to be what many want. Therefore the end justifies the means?

This reminds me of the Trumpsplainin' that would always occur after Trump said some outrageous thing. Vivek called it a hoax. Words count. He graduated from Harvard and Yale. He made millions from hedge funds before he graduated from Yale. He's an investment banker with a degree in biology who bought a biotech company. He's a strict libertarian who opposes government regulation on the basis of free market economics. Did I say he has a degree in biology from Harvard? He knows climate change isn't a hoax.

These types of unfounded claims don't help. Allowing China and India to do nothing, (except build more coal fired energy plants, and sell us solar panel, Windmill and battery parts), and do absolutely nothing toward climate change is not helping. John Kerry's recent trip to China ended in the Chinese firmly telling him to go home and leave them alone.

Valid arguments. Screaming "hoax" and calling it a night isn't an argument.

For people like Kerry, and climate prophet Al Core, to fly around the world getting rich and leaving behind an enormous carbon footprint doesn't help and doesn't support the claims of an impeding doom.

That's petty.

 

[Integrityrespec]

You MAGAs need to keep harping on the woke stuff. Preferably add some trans pedo groomer bits for added MAGA flavor.

Whatever helps a MAGA sleep better at night. It’s not like anyone believes you will vote for anyone but Donald.

BTW. You are incorrect on who I will vote for. Currently I'm open to any republican on the stage. I have ones I prefer but Trump's not a lock and nobody is ruled out yet. I will admit that at this point based on what I've seen and heard from the democrat President and possible contenders declared and undeclared i would not vote for any of them over any of the republicans at this point.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

You'll allow me to intrude and ask a question of you.

Are you of the opinion that a Reuters/Ipsos poll should be placed in a category of being garbage?

No Intrusion at all.
I wouldn't use the word "garbage".
But I've come to not lend credence in polls in general.

 

[itstony]

Haley or Pence, take you pick. Another winner was the viewers, we didn't have to watch that liar Trump.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Yes, it's a great free country.


This reminds me of the Trumpsplainin' that would always occur after Trump said some outrageous thing. Vivek called it a hoax. Words count. He graduated from Harvard and Yale. He made millions from hedge funds before he graduated from Yale. He's an investment banker with a degree in biology who bought a biotech company. He's a strict libertarian who opposes government regulation on the basis of free market economics. Did I say he has a degree in biology from Harvard? He knows climate change isn't a hoax.


Valid arguments. Screaming "hoax" and calling it a night isn't an argument.


That's petty.

I think the HOAX claims come out as a equal response to the 10 yrs and it's over type of claims. Many of the claims of the extremist do seem to fall in the Hoax category. Another incident is claiming the wildfires are all caused by climate change, and the tornadoes nad hurricanes. The damage reports done support the worst ever claims if you look at them. Fires. Environmentalists have contributed to the fire problem by getting states and environmental agencies to outlaw things like controlled burns and cutting down parts of the forest. Those controlled types of preventative measures were effective for hundreds of years in helping to reduce and minimize the damage of fires. Now we can't help ourselves. Brazil for instance has laws requiring do much land owned by ranchers and farmer to remain as rain forrest and campos that more land is bought up and cut down in a checkerboard type fashion. That type of "land management" causes more waste and deadly harmful effects on native habitant resulting in death of native wildlife. When we look at some of the terrible storms are they the worst because of the storm or because they are happening in areas that are now so heavily populated and urbanized? Our over zealous environmental control is actually contributing to some of the problems. Recently we are seeing the increase in "mysterious" deaths of humpback whales dying along the Jersey shore. There is considerable evidence that the offshore wind farms may be the cause. We don't often see these things discussed in the climate change discussion because they don't fit the agenda being pushed by climate extremist. That means you get more resistance.

 

[medi]

No Intrusion at all.
I wouldn't use the word "garbage".
But I've come to not lend credence in polls in general.

Thank you. I just thought maybe going as far as a description of that poll as garbage might be a tad much.

Actually, I once tried, many years ago, to try and get a handle on the science of that polling stuff and it sure was confusing and I gave up. Seems they have all sorts of fancy math language and stuff to support how they do that stuff. I kind of agree that polls cause some doubts in the minds of many folks, including my own. But now my mind is into 70 years, so lots of doubt about a lot of things. Too old.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Gish gallop garbage.
MAGAs a cult.
The question is, why are you now promoting MAGA, when just a few posts before you were acting peeved when someone called you MAGA?

I don't buy the left's MAGA BS. It's noting more than a political cry to get votes. Accusing people of being MAGA because they vote for this or that person is BS. Policy is want most folks vote on. Those who vote republican, any republican do so based on economic, crime, and social issues as do most people who vote democrat.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

I don't buy the left's MAGA BS.

Great.
Thank you for participating.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Thank you. I just thought maybe going as far as a description of that poll as garbage might be a tad much.

I don't see how this applies to me.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Haley pegged Vivek right. He is either monumentally ignorant or monumentally unscrupulous. I am going with monumentally ignorant though there is a fair amount of unscrupulousness in Vivek the cartoon character as well. Vivek would make a great Snidely Whiplash to Dudley DoRight. IMO Vivek went nowhere as it relates to a 2024 campaign. He can not get past Donald with his lips firmly affixed to Donnie's ass crack. Vivek is the best example of why the folks on that stage last night are going nowhere in 2024:
A) there is nothing that will make Donnie pull out of the 2024 campaign as he is running to stay out of prison, establish himself at the pinnacle of the US administration again and likely try to find a way to NEVER LEAVE AGAIN while alive
B) as the GOP is situated today, the Party is not conditioned to nor capable of deserting Donnie for any candidate in sufficient numbers to make their phony 2024 runs at the nomination legitimate "runs at the 2024 nomination". Whether they know it or not, they are staging an effort to legitimize the GOP so that it will live on past Donnie such that the GOP is there for them to use as a platform for a 2028 run.

Christie is trying to legitimize the GOP as a political party by going hard after Trump. Hutchinson about the same. The rest of them are trying to legitimize the GOP by participating in the staging of this phony nomination farce as they surely must know that Donnie is not getting out of the race under any circumstances and they can't beat him.

In other words, nobody on the planet hopes more that the Tribe/Luttig theory has real merit than the people on that stage last night. While I think the Tribe/Luttig theory if adopted is as risky to the Republic and its National election processes as anything I have seen OTHER THAN DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF, it does hold out the promise of Trump simply being tossed off of ballots forcing the GOP to come to terms with its own state of absurdity as a political party.

At this point Trump has not been found guilty of a federal crime that would keep him off the ballot. I think "assumption of innocence" is in play here.

 

[Michael Cole]

I think the HOAX claims come out as a equal response to the 10 yrs and it's over type of claims. Many of the claims of the extremist do seem to fall in the Hoax category. Another incident is claiming the wildfires are all caused by climate change, and the tornadoes nad hurricanes. The damage reports done support the worst ever claims if you look at them. Fires. Environmentalists have contributed to the fire problem by getting states and environmental agencies to outlaw things like controlled burns and cutting down parts of the forest. Those controlled types of preventative measures were effective for hundreds of years in helping to reduce and minimize the damage of fires. Now we can't help ourselves. Brazil for instance has laws requiring do much land owned by ranchers and farmer to remain as rain forrest and campos that more land is bought up and cut down in a checkerboard type fashion. That type of "land management" causes more waste and deadly harmful effects on native habitant resulting in death of native wildlife. When we look at some of the terrible storms are they the worst because of the storm or because they are happening in areas that are now so heavily populated and urbanized? Our over zealous environmental control is actually contributing to some of the problems. Recently we are seeing the increase in "mysterious" deaths of humpback whales dying along the Jersey shore. There is considerable evidence that the offshore wind farms may be the cause. We don't often see these things discussed in the climate change discussion because they don't fit the agenda being pushed by climate extremist. That means you get more resistance.

Like I said, this is all valid argument. I disagree on many points, but it's valid. This isn't what Vivek said. He said it was a hoax. It disqualifies him, in my opinion. I'm at the point where anyone using the word hoax for any reason is disqualified. Vivek knows better.

 

[Nickyjo]

I think the HOAX claims come out as an equal response to the 10 yrs and it's over type of claims. Many of the claims of the extremist do seem to fall in the Hoax category. Another incident is claiming the wildfires are all caused by climate change, and the tornadoes nad hurricanes. The damage reports done support the worst ever claims if you look at them. Fires. Environmentalists have contributed to the fire problem by getting states and environmental agencies to outlaw things like controlled burns and cutting down parts of the forest. Those controlled types of preventative measures were effective for hundreds of years in helping to reduce and minimize the damage of fires. Now we can't help ourselves. Brazil for instance has laws requiring do much land owned by ranchers and farmer to remain as rain forrest and campos that more land is bought up and cut down in a checkerboard type fashion. That type of "land management" causes more waste and deadly harmful effects on native habitant resulting in death of native wildlife. When we look at some of the terrible storms are they the worst because of the storm or because they are happening in areas that are now so heavily populated and urbanized? Our over zealous environmental control is actually contributing to some of the problems. Recently we are seeing the increase in "mysterious" deaths of humpback whales dying along the Jersey shore. There is considerable evidence that the offshore wind farms may be the cause. We don't often see these things discussed in the climate change discussion because they don't fit the agenda being pushed by climate extremist. That means you get more resistance.

Nothing new in what you point out. As problems emerge, from communism to climate change, some people will inevitably overhype dangers. That doesn’t mean that the dangers don’t exist.

 

[medi]

I don't see how this applies to me.

Just that I was confused about what this meant:

Gish gallop garbage.

 

[TobyOne]

Ramaswamy and Nikki Hayley "won" - even though Haley landed a hay maker on Ramaswamy. The other candidates were boring status quo. Milk toast. Haley will probably get a bump.

 

[Emlee]

Imo, Nikki Haley was the winner, she was certainly the most rational, some of the things she said were a pleasant surprise.

Chris Christie had some good moments.

 

[Bucky]

It won't do her any good but it was Nikki Haley in a landslide.

How can you say a candidate won the debate when it won't do her any good?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Just that I was confused about what this meant:

Oh.
Gish gallop garbage is when someone makes misleading statements in hopes of making their stance stronger.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Yes, it's a great free country.


This reminds me of the Trumpsplainin' that would always occur after Trump said some outrageous thing. Vivek called it a hoax. Words count. He graduated from Harvard and Yale. He made millions from hedge funds before he graduated from Yale. He's an investment banker with a degree in biology who bought a biotech company. He's a strict libertarian who opposes government regulation on the basis of free market economics. Did I say he has a degree in biology from Harvard? He knows climate change isn't a hoax.


Valid arguments. Screaming "hoax" and calling it a night isn't an argument.


That's petty.

He has a biology from Harvard? Maybe he knows something you do not. I recommend reading Micheal Shellenberger's , Apocalyspe Never, as a step in researching opposing views.

Screaming "hoax" isn't an argument. I don't think he meant it as a Hoax but an accusation.

There are noble price winners who are now saying climate change is a hoax. "I don't believe there is a climate crisis," Clauser said during at Quantum Korea. "The world we live in today is filled with misinformation. " Nobel Laureate (Physics 2022) Dr. John Clauser

Ivar Giaever, a Norwegian-American engineer and physicist who shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1973 with Leo Esaki and Brian Josephson