Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down [W:28][W:67]

[TheDemSocialist]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

You are a partisan because it's in your name. Be that as it may, you seem to have not read the OP.

1.)My name is not partisan its a political philosophy I uphold, democratic socialism
2.)I did read the OP

 

[Risky Thicket]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

1.)My name is not partisan its a political philosophy I uphold, democratic socialism
2.)I did read the OP

Mea culpa re your name.

Tua culpa for reading the OP and still not comprehending it.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

Moderator's Warning:

The topic of the thread is not whether Hillary is too sick to continue her campaign. The topic of the thread is about who would replace her if she steps down from her Presidential bid before November due to sickness. The OP's topic is a hypothetical question which means that this is about peoples opinions. Specifically opinions related to who would replace Hillary if she stepped down. Anyone asking for proof of Hillary being sick or asking for evidence of any kind on why she would step down will be summarily booted from the thread. Stick to the topic which has been clearly laid out.

 

[Sherman123]

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Up to this point on DP I've been railing on Hillary for two reasons; I don't like her and I don't think she can beat Trump. Both are my opinion. This thread is not about anyone trying to convince me to like her or trying to convince me that she will beat Trump in November.

Trump will be ruinous for this nation. I don't know that America can survive a Trump presidency. The entire world would suffer. It is also not the purpose of this poll and thread to try and convince me otherwise. There are plenty of threads dedicated to that.

It is my concern that for reasons of health Hillary may be forced resign her campaign before November. I sincerely hope that is not the case. I don't wish ill health or worse a health crisis on anyone. There's no way I'd want Hillary out of the race for that reason. I do, however, believe that she is not well. We don't really see that much of her. And, yeah, part of that is because the media can't cover Trump too much. They are obsessed with Trump. Hillary is boring and has always been less than exciting. But it is more than that, I think.

Hillary, as we know, doesn't do press conferences and in fact seems to have slowed pace. She does't have the number of rallies Trump has. Clinton rallies are much smaller. Trump generates energy, albeit the wrong kind. Hillary generates very little. There is an aura of exhaustion around her.

We cannot ignore her slips and falls and mini seizures. It is my opinion that she is not at all well. It would bother me a great deal if she hangs on too late to give an alternative a chance at trouncing Trump. I'm afraid that might just happen.

So who would replace Hillary if she steps down before November?

I believe it would almost certainly be Tim Kaine as the consensus candidate given that he's the only other person thats actually received the nominating votes of the entire convention. Anybody else would be extremely contentious, whereas it would be hard to argue if they just elevated Kaine to the position he's already been vetted for. It's literally his primary duty---it just happened much earlier than expected. I can't imagine the DNC would put anyone else on the ticket, he'd be the memoriam candidate fighting to uphold her legacy.

I'd be more interested in seeing who they selected as the VP since they wouldn't have much time to do any vetting.

In case you're interested these are the rules the DNC uses to select a replacement:

Article 2, section 1 of the Rules and Bylaws of the Democratic Party states that the DNC has the authority to fill vacancies in the nominations for president and vice president. "The Democratic National Committee shall have general responsibility for the affairs of the Democratic Party between National Conventions, subject to the provisions of the Charter and to the resolutions or other official actions of the National Convention. This responsibility shall include, but not be limited to ... Filling vacancies in the nominations for the office of the President and Vice President," reads Article 2.1(c).

Article 2, section 7 states, " a special meeting to fill a vacancy on the National ticket shall be held on the call of the Chairperson, who shall set the date for such meeting in accordance with the procedural rules provided for in Article Two, Section 8(d) of these Bylaws." Article 2, section 8(d) reads, "all questions before the Democratic National Committee shall be determined by majority vote of those members present and voting in person or by proxy."

https://ballotpedia.org/State_laws_and_party_rules_on_replacing_a_presidential_nominee

I also think that in these circumstances (whether it was Trump or Clinton) many courts, if not most courts, would be willing to toss the ballot access laws and that even more state legislatures (if not all) would extend their deadlines to meet this extraordinary occurrence and prevent a one party election.

 

[VanceMack]

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I believe its all a matter of timing. not sure if its 45 or 60 days but I believe that once you are past a certain window dead or alive, the nominee's name would go forward for votitng.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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I believe its all a matter of timing. not sure if its 45 or 60 days but I believe that once you are past a certain window dead or alive, the nominee's name would go forward for votitng.

Why? What good could such accomplish? If a person stops running for President then they don't want the job. And you can't force them to take the job.

 

[VanceMack]

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Why? What good could such accomplish? If a person stops running for President then they don't want the job. And you can't force them to take the job.

Its not relevant to the rules (as I read them). The rules state that once someone is on the ballot after a certain point in time they are on the ballot...even if they die prior to the election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri,_2000
4 Dead Politicians Who Still Got Elected | Mental Floss

 

[Risky Thicket]

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I believe it would almost certainly be Tim Kaine as the consensus candidate given that he's the only other person thats actually received the nominating votes of the entire convention. Anybody else would be extremely contentious, whereas it would be hard to argue if they just elevated Kaine to the position he's already been vetted for. It's literally his primary duty---it just happened much earlier than expected. I can't imagine the DNC would put anyone else on the ticket, he'd be the memoriam candidate fighting to uphold her legacy.

I'd be more interested in seeing who they selected as the VP since they wouldn't have much time to do any vetting.

In case you're interested these are the rules the DNC uses to select a replacement:

Article 2, section 1 of the Rules and Bylaws of the Democratic Party states that the DNC has the authority to fill vacancies in the nominations for president and vice president. "The Democratic National Committee shall have general responsibility for the affairs of the Democratic Party between National Conventions, subject to the provisions of the Charter and to the resolutions or other official actions of the National Convention. This responsibility shall include, but not be limited to ... Filling vacancies in the nominations for the office of the President and Vice President," reads Article 2.1(c).

Article 2, section 7 states, " a special meeting to fill a vacancy on the National ticket shall be held on the call of the Chairperson, who shall set the date for such meeting in accordance with the procedural rules provided for in Article Two, Section 8(d) of these Bylaws." Article 2, section 8(d) reads, "all questions before the Democratic National Committee shall be determined by majority vote of those members present and voting in person or by proxy."

https://ballotpedia.org/State_laws_and_party_rules_on_replacing_a_presidential_nominee

I also think that in these circumstances (whether it was Trump or Clinton) many courts, if not most courts, would be willing to toss the ballot access laws and that even more state legislatures (if not all) would extend their deadlines to meet this extraordinary occurrence and prevent a one party election.

Thanks for that Sherman.

If states voluntarily or by other means tossed ballot access laws it sounds as if the nomination of a replacement candidate would theoretically be open. At that point, in the Democratic Party at least, all delegates and super delegates would then vote to determine the new nominee. The DNC could then nominate O'Malley or Webb as well. Of course at that point they would have to select a nominee who would have the best shot at defeating Trump in a very limited amount of time.

Would the obstructionists in the GOP attempt to block states acting to suspended ballot access laws in this kind of situation? Hard to say, IMHO. The very same thing could happen to the GOP. It wouldn't shock me if Trump withdrew from his candidacy. That's another thread.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

Can someone present credible evidence that Hillary Clinton is seriously ill?

She married Bill.

 

[FieldTheorist]

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The question reads IF. Further I did not say that credible evidence has been provided by reputable sources. I stated that it is my opinion.

That's presumably predicated upon something other than typical right-wing sludge, though, no? After all, if we believed the partisan sludge, then Bernie Sanders is apparently an angry old white man who just wants women in the kitchen serving him and who couldn't get a black person to vote for him unless he held a gun to their head --and it's reasonable to suspect he's tried both.

She married Bill.

Everyone's allowed to be young and stupid. Or at least allowed to claim that as an excuse.

A picture of a 78 year old woman needing a little assistance up some stairs. Damaging to say the least. :lol:

First off, a 68 year old woman. Secondly, this sludge has been countered. It's not a secret on this forum that I'm not Hillary Clinton's biggest cheer leader, but if you want to attack Hillary, make it a relevant, substantial critique.

Sean Hannity said so, so there. Naner naner, or is it neener neener?

Oh, sorry, if Sean Hannity said it... It must be false.

 

[Risky Thicket]

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That's presumably predicated upon something other than typical right-wing sludge, though, no? After all, if we believed the partisan sludge, then Bernie Sanders is apparently an angry old white man who just wants women in the kitchen serving him and who couldn't get a black person to vote for him unless he held a gun to their head --and it's reasonable to suspect he's tried both.

It's predicated on a number of things as I have said previously in the thread. Hillary looks like 40 miles of bad road more often than in the past. She avoids the press as much as she is able to. She is often very late for her rallies. She isn't campaigning that much compared to her opponent and certainly isn't campaigning like a candidate in what has almost been a dead heat. She has had a number of falls and seems to be at times less than steady on her feet. Those are a few reasons I believe her health may be an issue.

NOTE: As I said in the OP this thread is NOT about discussing whether or not my reasons are valid or whether my reasons have been documented by credible sources. As far as I know they have not. Contrary to what several people on this thread seem to believe I have not stated otherwise. This thread asks the hypothetical question of what might happen if Hillary were forced to step down before November for reasons of permanent and progressive ill health. The question is - specifically - who would her replacement be?

 

[azgreg]

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Oh, sorry, if Sean Hannity said it... It must be false.

That strategery works for me 99% of the time.

 

[chromium]

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Everything you outline is why the time between primary and election is so brief. She's gonna start using a double and concealing serious injuries like FDR. The last thing she'd do is give up power at this point

Logic would say Sanders replaces her, but i'm sure either of Chelsea/Bill could run the executive better than Trump

 

[Gaztopian]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

People continue to harp on Clinton's health and whether she's fit to run the country, yet I see no evidence of that except for the habitual right-wing subterfuges for which some people on the other end of the political spectrum developed a taste. When you have such a buffoon like Trump as your rival, political wisdom dictates that you observe the vow of silence and watch him implode. Furthermore, the matter is relative. Trump is a megalomaniac and an exhibitionist who doesn't seem to have enough of the spotlight, even, or perhaps especially, if it's of the infamous variety. It's difficult for any normal person to match that level of morbid self-absorption.

That aside, the democratic party isn't too concerned with the subject. If Hillary drops out for whatever reason, Biden would quickly replace her. He's already the VP of a popular democratic president, and his rousing appearance in the DNC was a testament of his popularity, not to mention how he's an attractive compromise between Hillary and Bernie in terms of policies and political ideology.

 

[Jane]

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I didn't see any talk about the HOW of the process, so here:

"Since the time of Andrew Jackson's run for the presidency in 1828, individual political parties have had the job of filling any vacancy on their national ticket, either that of their presidential or vice-presidential candidate. If one of their candidates vacates the ticket after they are nominated, either because of death or withdrawal, the party selects a replacement.

Both the Republican and the Democratic parties have rules in their bylaws governing how to fill the vacancy. The Party Chair calls a meeting of the National Committee, and the Committee members at the meeting vote to fill the vacancy on the ticket. A candidate must receive a majority of the votes to win the party's nod.

The same process would happen if the vacancy were to occur after the general election but before the Electoral College voting. If a vacancy should occur on the winning ticket, it would then be the party's responsibility to fill it and provide a candidate for whom their electors could vote."

Presidential Death During the Election Process | Teachinghistory.org

I didn't vote in the poll since I think it more likely that Donald the Pillsbury Dough Boy would keel over from a coronary than Hillary would be to die before the election from tripping on the stairs or cracking wise about the caffeine content in that drink she was holding that was evidence of a seizure to some nutters.

 

[Opopanax]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

Anyway...

The Dems would run Bernie and the vast majority of Bernie Bros would be back on board. Unless Sanders gave them the snub, which would be within his rights to do. But it seems like he'd be the easy first choice.

 

[Mr Person]

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I said Sanders for the same reason I said Cruz. I suspect they'd go with their runner up from the primary, unless new polling showed someone else doing better against the opposition.

 

[Patrickt]

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She won't withdraw. If she dies, she won't withdraw. We've had dead people running for public office before, and winning, and I suspect Ted Kennedy could with in Massachusetts today. Hey, if dead people can vote, why shouldn't they run for office?

 

[Casca XV]

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Can someone present credible evidence that Hillary Clinton is seriously ill?

You have the burden of proof reversed. She has to present evidence she is healthy.

 

[Casca XV]

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Dude, she's 68 years old. Trump is like 71. Sanders is 74.

Trump 70.... surprising considering he looks like a guy in his 50s with the energy of someone in their late 30s.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

:lamo :lamo No evidence Hillary is actually ill... Yet we have a poll on it?

No evidence......The seizures cough on video and the guy following her around with injection pen says otherwise.

 

[Risky Thicket]

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Trump 70.... surprising considering he looks like a guy in his 50s with the energy of someone in their late 30s.

I agree. He looks younger than 70 and appears to have a great deal of energy.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

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No evidence......The seizures

This is coming from an unconfirmed report coming from Brietbart and a fake doctors note
Fake Clinton Medical Records

cough on video

You ****ing kidding me? She coughed on video.... This is somehow a sign that she is not medically fit to take office? :doh

and the guy following her around with injection pen says otherwise.

:lamo You mean a flashlight? https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-hillary-clintons-seizure-doctor-with-diazepam-auto-pen.t7821/ Clinton's Secret Service Agent Holds Diazepam Pen : snopes.com

Do just a little bit of research before you fall for some bull**** conservative conspiracy blog.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

This is coming from an unconfirmed report coming from Brietbart and a fake doctors note
Fake Clinton Medical Records


You ****ing kidding me? She coughed on video.... This is somehow a sign that she is not medically fit to take office? :doh



:lamo You mean a flashlight? https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-hillary-clintons-seizure-doctor-with-diazepam-auto-pen.t7821/ Clinton's Secret Service Agent Holds Diazepam Pen : snopes.com

Do just a little bit of research before you fall for some bull**** conservative conspiracy blog.

It has nothing to do with medical records, it is what has been caught on video and what her own staff has said about her "often confused". You citing an extreme left wing propaganda website doesn't help your cause. The guy holding the shot pin is not a secret service agent. They don't hire 40lb over weight beach-ball gut guys.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Re: Who Will Replace Hillary If Ill Health Forces Her to Step Down Before November?

Anyway...

The Dems would run Bernie and the vast majority of Bernie Bros would be back on board. Unless Sanders gave them the snub, which would be within his rights to do. But it seems like he'd be the easy first choice.

Based on Sander's polling numbers against Trump Sanders was(is) the logical Democratic choice to beat Trump. Hillary has been the weaker choice. However, the DNC and the powers that be appear to have selected Hillary long before the DNC Convention.

Hillary is the choice they want to ride, however hobbled by controversy and possible debilitating illness.

In my mind faced with the task of choosing a Hillary replacement before November it is difficult to know where the DNC's collective brain might be. All other things considered would they select Sanders to win or would they select another Wall Street Democrat and hope for the best? I really have no idea.

What do you think?