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Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era?

Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era?

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Dans La Lune

Dans La Lune

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Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era? Held accountable politically. Not who you WANT to be held accountable, who WILL be held accountable.

I vote Democrats, because the right-wing are never held accountable for anything, and because Dems are inept at framing. Republicans will just rebrand for the 900th time, leaving Dems holding the bag. And because a large part of the American population are mush-heads, including the media, it will work. There is also a profit incentive to absolve Republicans of blame. Lets also not forget a potential team-up between Dems and Republicans to blame progressives; an ideology that has been employed in America since before most of us were born.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era? Held accountable politically. Not who you WANT to be held accountable, who WILL be held accountable.

I vote Democrats, because the right-wing are never held accountable for anything, and because Dems are inept at framing. Republicans will just rebrand for the 900th time, leaving Dems holding the bag. And because a large part of the American population are mush-heads, including the media, it will work. There is also a profit incentive to absolve Republicans of blame. Lets also not forget a potential team-up between Dems and Republicans to blame progressives; an ideology that has been employed in America since before most of us were born.
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What ruin?
 
Trump is a low-class sociopath piece of shit.
But what Ruin are we talking about?
 
If past is prologue, this administration will leave the economy in tatters, as recent Republicans have done. In ruins might be a bit overstated, but if there’s one thing Trump is capable of it is bankrupting businesses. Upscale that to the size of the U.S. economy and ruin might just fit.
 

Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era?​


Mass Assholes Getting Aggressive
 
1) Donald Trump

2) The Republican Party.... the political party that has surrendered its majority Legislative Branch to Donald Trump

3) The conservative Roberts Supreme Court

4) The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society
 
Well since we are only in the first year of the Trump administration I'd say the reports of ruin are greatly exaggerated. The left is in such a mess adn the democrats without real leadership that they resort to the only path they know, misinformation, attacks on the other guys, deny they are at all responsible for the mess they left the country in after Biden's term. To make it worse, the free press, lead by the left wing liberal media goes all in on spreading hate speech, and blame on everyone but those who put ruin into motions with, open borders, high inflation, anti women policies, attacks on helpless children, ever growing national debt caused by frivilous spending on an agenda the majority of Americans don't support, 2 years lost of our kids education, food prices and home prices steadily climbing, made our military into whipping boys for the rest of the world, set into motion the Russian aggression in Ukraine under Obama and it's increase under Biden. So when you have done this much damage, you simply blame everyone else rather than take responsibility.
Now after just 9 months and improvement all over the globe the left says things are a mess, the mess they created they now say should already be fixed. In order to add to their claims they claim the assassination of a conservative political activist has to be presented by them as his own fault, with numerous democrats claiming, he caused it himself, and even I'm glad he's dead. This is the message the democrats want to send along with the "we must have a conversation with republicans on how to fix our problems." Problems they created, failed to do anything to correct and now want to blame on the republican. This is the democrats answer to working on our problems they created.
If they really want to sit down and talk about fixing problems, they need to admit to failure of their agenda, steer a different course, propose changes that will align to complement the majority parties goals and iniatives. Making demands on the front end for things that are the complete antithesis to the majority party will not get traction. But that is what democrats do, it's deliberate obstruction to attempt to obstruct positive change.
 
Mycroft said:
What ruin?
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Plundering of the Social Safety Net, Increasing Tax Cuts for the rich (incoming: trillionaires), Public Health Policy (brace yourselves for the next pandemic), Foreign Policy, Trade Policy (incoherent and reckless tariffs that are decimating local industry), Domestic Policy, crony corruption of every aspect of government to both protect allies (ranging from sex crimes to bribery) and leveraging against citizens and political enemies. They've dismantled most Renewable Energy projects amid an energy cost crisis. Lets not forget that the entire world is planning for a post-American Empire world and turning towards China as a means of international stability. In addition to cutting the Social Safety Net to feed the rich, the immigrants who were sustaining those programs are being pushed out of the country. America's economy is being largely propped up by the AI Bubble, which could pop at any second. The political system is utterly broken, with one party being able to pass insanely detrimental policy because there are no real checks and balances.

Every one of these points could be extrapolated into essays, and every one of these points could reduce a nation to ruin. It's death by a thousand machetes.
 
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Dans La Lune said:
Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era? Held accountable politically. Not who you WANT to be held accountable, who WILL be held accountable.

I vote Democrats, because the right-wing are never held accountable for anything, and because Dems are inept at framing. Republicans will just rebrand for the 900th time, leaving Dems holding the bag. And because a large part of the American population are mush-heads, including the media, it will work. There is also a profit incentive to absolve Republicans of blame. Lets also not forget a potential team-up between Dems and Republicans to blame progressives; an ideology that has been employed in America since before most of us were born.
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LOL. I suspect you vote democrat because you are a socialist and the democrat's agenda aligns with your political and social agenda, extremely left, very anti conservative and contains a strong anti American component. The kings of blaming someone else for their failures are the left, and their media wing, the left media outlets. Left media has a strong bias and tends to never question anything done or said by left wing political members. They dodged the question of biden's physical and mental ability to be President, to serve once elected, and to eventually step down until it was far to late to fix his mess. Then they supported Kamala Harris against all the indicator that said she wouldn't win, was incompetent herself, an would be a terrible President. She lost and the media turned on her, and Biden, saying Biden and Harris were terrible picks. Who knew!
 
j brown's body said:
We have elected a leader who tried to steal an election and he's working on trying it again.

The end of our democracy is a very real possibility.
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If Dems keep going down the PROG rabbit hole, we'll just get more MAGAs to deal with.
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These things take time. Be patient. We can revisit this thread in 2-3 years, or perhaps a little longer if we're fortunate.
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Americans are so concerned with the price of their shoes or drug dealers getting blown up, that they are missing the real damage that is being done.

 
L88 said:
Americans are so concerned with the price of their shoes or drug dealers getting blown up that they are missing the real damage that is being done.

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I think that's just one of many things that'll end up cooking us, but to your point, yes, cutting off global trade on the baseless idea that we can just bring all manufacturing home and be fully self-sufficient will have consequences. I think the total lack of fiscal seriousness and the coming deregulation experiment will have more severe consequences.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Plundering of the Social Safety Net, Increasing Tax Cuts for the rich (incoming: trillionaires), Public Health Policy (brace yourselves for the next pandemic), Foreign Policy, Trade Policy (incoherent and reckless tariffs that are decimating local industry), Domestic Policy, crony corruption of every aspect of government to both protect allies (ranging from sex crimes to bribery) and leveraging against citizens and political enemies. They've dismantled most Renewable Energy projects amid an energy cost crisis. Lets not forget that the entire world is planning for a post-American Empire world and turning towards China as a means of international stability. In addition to cutting the Social Safety Net to feed the rich, the immigrants who were sustaining those programs are being pushed out of the country. America's economy is being largely propped up by the AI Bubble, which could pop at any second. The political system is utterly broken, with one party being able to pass insanely detrimental policy because there are no real checks and balances.

Every one of these points could be extrapolated into essays, and every one of these points could reduce a nation to ruin. It's death by a thousand machetes.
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Oh...I see. The usual TDS nonsense. Okay.

Bye.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era? Held accountable politically. Not who you WANT to be held accountable, who WILL be held accountable.

I vote Democrats, because the right-wing are never held accountable for anything, and because Dems are inept at framing. Republicans will just rebrand for the 900th time, leaving Dems holding the bag. And because a large part of the American population are mush-heads, including the media, it will work. There is also a profit incentive to absolve Republicans of blame. Lets also not forget a potential team-up between Dems and Republicans to blame progressives; an ideology that has been employed in America since before most of us were born.
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There will be no utter ruin in the Trump era. We will survive this time as we have all others and thrive as a nation.
 
If people are seeing "utter ruin" - I'd have to say it's either on them or the mental health professional who was tasked with bringing them back into reality.
 
Ganondagan said:
There will be no utter ruin in the Trump era. We will survive this time as we have all others and thrive as a nation.
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Last time, we barely made it out alive.
 
"Leftists" because we aren't going to win and we will therefore be used as the grist for the nightmare machine.
 
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People also don't realize that massive political change and (often) catastrophe is not caused just by big events, but by a series of pivotal of small events. The modern American Empire can easily be traced back to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, leading to two world wars and a restructuring of the international order. Trump is not just trying to undo that order, which overwhelmingly benefits America, he's set up a series of domino trails, amidst a raging storm, each of which could land a lethal blow to the American economy and undo its fragile political system. Not to mention the world is no longer looking at the American dollar as a reliable reserve currency.

Maybe I just don't have imagination required to see a way out of this. 🤷‍♂️
 
Dans La Lune said:
Who will be held accountable for the utter ruin of the Trump Era? Held accountable politically. Not who you WANT to be held accountable, who WILL be held accountable.

I vote Democrats, because the right-wing are never held accountable for anything, and because Dems are inept at framing. Republicans will just rebrand for the 900th time, leaving Dems holding the bag. And because a large part of the American population are mush-heads, including the media, it will work. There is also a profit incentive to absolve Republicans of blame. Lets also not forget a potential team-up between Dems and Republicans to blame progressives; an ideology that has been employed in America since before most of us were born.
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Who’s responsible for the second Trump term? The Biden administration and the democrats. It was how Biden and the democrats governed over the last 4 years that most Americans thought they did a very lousy job. You can see most Americans disapproving of Biden’s overall job performance and his and the democrat’s failure to address inflation, rising prices and illegal immigration to most Americans satisfaction. There is no debate that most Americans saw the Biden time as president bordering on failure at the high end and dissatisfaction at the low end.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/inflation

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/immigration

Who will be held responsible for the utter ruin of the Trump era? That depends on how you describe ruin. I suppose having Trump replace the democratic political agenda with a republican political agenda would be described as ruinous to the democratic party faithful. Still, I think Trump and the GOP have made their bed and pushed their agenda which includes political vengeance and retribution against his enemies to the extreme. For this only Trump and the Republicans can be held responsible. How the public at large perceive or view this, time will tell. The public should hold Trump and the republicans responsible, but so far most haven’t.

The democrats have been inept in their opposition to Trump. This is probably due to the democrats still being leaderless, rudderless and their continued infighting among the different factions within the democratic party for their party’s leadership. Trump and company should be held accountable, responsible, but will they be is still an open question.
 
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