Who wants Sanctuary cities and why?

MaggieD · Feb 23, 2017

I don't understand the mindset of those who support the idea of Sanctuary Cities. Why would city leaders want to protect illegal immigrants who are guilty of felonies? Why would they advertise themselves as such? And why would residents of a city support felonious illegals at the possible expense of Federal funds and huge tax increases?

What's the end game? Why?

SenorXm/Sirius · Feb 23, 2017

I posted this a couple of times before, and it didn't do any good. But what the hell, I'll try again. This is in TEXAS, BTW.. TEXAS!

That’s not political apostasy. It’s the default posture in pro-business Texas — and one of the increasingly rare areas where Republicans and Democrats come together in common cause year after year.

Trump’s ascendency to the White House may or may not change the hands-off approach in legislatures and Congress to the illegal hiring practices common in U.S. businesses. It certainly has the potential to shake things up in unprecedented ways — as Patrick and other Republicans gush. But if past performance and recent public pronouncements are any guide, Texas leaders will continue going easy on those who avail themselves of low-cost undocumented immigrant labor — particularly in agriculture, construction, janitorial services and the leisure and hospitality industry.

The reason is simple: Business interests rely on undocumented immigrant workers, while pro-immigrant activists fight to protect the labor rights of those facing abuse and exploitation. When the Chamber of Commerce and the American Civil Liberties Union are on the same side of an issue at the Capitol, they’re hard to beat.

“We know what an important part immigrant labor plays in Texas, and to suddenly wipe out large sectors ... would have a devastating impact on the Texas economy,” said Bill Hammond, head of the influential Texas Association of Business, the state’s top business advocacy group. “We need immigrant labor to do those tasks where not enough Americans will.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/14/lawmakers-go-easy-employers-undocumented-workers/

Port & Starboard · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
I don't understand the mindset of those who support the idea of Sanctuary Cities. Why would city leaders want to protect illegal immigrants who are guilty of felonies? Why would they advertise themselves as such? And why would residents of a city support felonious illegals at the possible expense of Federal funds and huge tax increases?

What's the end game? Why?

Meanwhile, black unemployment is still way too high, and many of the social justice warriors want to keep pinning it on institutionalized racism.

Like Imus says:

You just can't make this **** up.....lol

MaggieD · Feb 23, 2017

SenorXm/Sirius said:
I posted this a couple of times before, and it didn't do any good. But what the hell, I'll try again. This is in TEXAS, BTW.. TEXAS!

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/14/lawmakers-go-easy-employers-undocumented-workers/

That makes sense for the illegal immigrant issue as a whole, and I can understand it. I don't agree with it, but it doesn't speak to the reason why these people would want illegal immigrant felons protected.

When I think about what your article REALLY means, it's morally wrong. What it's saying is that the Texas economy depends on exploiting illegals. The powers that be, therefore, wouldn't even want an amnesty program, because then they couldn't exploit them anymore.

It's always follow the money, isn't it?

SenorXm/Sirius · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
That makes sense for the illegal immigrant issue as a whole, and I can understand it. I don't agree with it, but it doesn't speak to the reason why these people would want illegal immigrant felons protected.

When I think about what your article REALLY means, it's wrong. What it's saying is that the Texas economy depends on exploiting illegals. The powers that be, therefore, wouldn't even want an amnesty program, because then they couldn't exploit them anymore.

It's always follow the money, isn't it?

Illegals work cheap, they help keep overall wages down, so businesses LOVE them. And because our political parties are beholding to business and business lobbies(including the very business friendly GOP), our government looks the other way. In this article it mentions the Lt. Gov. of Texas running for office on a very tough on illegals, very tough on Texas businesses who hire illegals message in 2014. But in these 2 years since he, nor Texas has done a damn thing. They only care about CHEAP LABOR. They don't care who, or why. They want cheap labor.

It's a talking point by most Republicans to get votes. But the reality is the businesses are paying the politicians big money to look the other way. so yes, it is always about the money. ALWAYS. Welcome to capitalism.

joG · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
I don't understand the mindset of those who support the idea of Sanctuary Cities. Why would city leaders want to protect illegal immigrants who are guilty of felonies? Why would they advertise themselves as such? And why would residents of a city support felonious illegals at the possible expense of Federal funds and huge tax increases?

What's the end game? Why?

I am not sure that it might nit be an acceptable and maybe even good idea, if and only if we make it legal and define certain parameters like whether living in San Francisco for one or ten years makes you American or if you have to have worked or have never had a joint.

roughdraft274 · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
I don't understand the mindset of those who support the idea of Sanctuary Cities. Why would city leaders want to protect illegal immigrants who are guilty of felonies? Why would they advertise themselves as such? And why would residents of a city support felonious illegals at the possible expense of Federal funds and huge tax increases?

What's the end game? Why?

What cities don't go after illegal immigrants that are guilty of felonies?

Fletch · Feb 23, 2017

SenorXm/Sirius said:
Illegals work cheap, they help keep overall wages down, so businesses LOVE them.

But the question is why do liberals love them? Why is the left so eager to allow evil big business to exploit illegals for profit?

It's a talking point by most Republicans to get votes. But the reality is the businesses are paying the politicians big money to look the other way. so yes, it is always about the money. ALWAYS. Welcome to capitalism.

What you just described is NOT capitalism.

longview · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
I don't understand the mindset of those who support the idea of Sanctuary Cities. Why would city leaders want to protect illegal immigrants who are guilty of felonies? Why would they advertise themselves as such? And why would residents of a city support felonious illegals at the possible expense of Federal funds and huge tax increases?

What's the end game? Why?

I suspect the Sanctuary City idea is a band aid, knee jerk reaction to an actual problem.
The problem is that we have a shadow economy, where people live and work in this grey zone.
Some are raising families, some are just here to support families back home, and yes, some are criminals.
Unfortunately creating a second class of residents, which don't really have any rights, causes many secondary problems.
How does an illegal report an actual crime, rape, robbery, dangerous working conditions, ect, when the act of reporting
may cause them to be deported? The cities answer, seems to be not to ask about their status.
This may sound strange, but from the local perspective, someone who lives in, and pays taxes in the local community, is a resident.
Community colleges and State Universities, base residency, on if you reside in the district or state.

MaggieD · Feb 23, 2017

roughdraft274 said:
What cities don't go after illegal immigrants that are guilty of felonies?

I'm sure the list is out there in GoogleLand. Are you being facetious or do you not know what Sanctuary Cities are?

roughdraft274 · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
I'm sure the list is out there in GoogleLand. Are you being facetious or do you not know what Sanctuary Cities are?

I'm under the impression that sanctuary cities don't report on illegal immigrants so that they feel empowered to report crimes around them etc. but if they are found committing a felony they will still be jailed or deported. I've never heard of a city that will find an illegal immigrant committing a felony and it's their policy to just let it go.

MaggieD · Feb 23, 2017

longview said:
I suspect the Sanctuary City idea is a band aid, knee jerk reaction to an actual problem.
The problem is that we have a shadow economy, where people live and work in this grey zone.
Some are raising families, some are just here to support families back home, and yes, some are criminals.
Unfortunately creating a second class of residents, which don't really have any rights, causes many secondary problems.
How does an illegal report an actual crime, rape, robbery, dangerous working conditions, ect, when the act of reporting
may cause them to be deported? The cities answer, seems to be not to ask about their status.
This may sound strange, but from the local perspective, someone who lives in, and pays taxes in the local community, is a resident.
Community colleges and State Universities, base residency, on if you reside in the district or state.

The people who have created another class of citizen are the illegals themselves. Reporting a crime isn't going to get someone deported. COMMITTING the crime is going to get them deported. You raise an interesting point, though. Maybe big cities, like Chicago, don't WANT illegals reporting crimes to keep their stats down, so they promote this false narrative that if they report they might be arrested and deported.

There's SOMETHING behind it I don't think we understand.

WCH · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
I don't understand the mindset of those who support the idea of Sanctuary Cities. Why would city leaders want to protect illegal immigrants who are guilty of felonies? Why would they advertise themselves as such? And why would residents of a city support felonious illegals at the possible expense of Federal funds and huge tax increases?

What's the end game? Why?

Rush mentioned that Liberals have thrown away the deception of who they really are since Trump's election. Sanctuary cities are run by Liberals.

brothern · Feb 23, 2017

I support sanctuary cities, as I have said before. I don't consider illegal immigration a "felony" and I don't believe that a person ought be deported if they find themselves interacting with law enforcement w/r/t broken traffic laws or other misdemeanors.

MaggieD · Feb 23, 2017

roughdraft274 said:
I'm under the impression that sanctuary cities don't report on illegal immigrants so that they feel empowered to report crimes around them etc. but if they are found committing a felony they will still be jailed or deported. I've never heard of a city that will find an illegal immigrant committing a felony and it's their policy to just let it go.

No, they prosecute for the crime. They just refuse to call ICE.

MaggieD · Feb 23, 2017

brothern said:
I support sanctuary cities, as I have said before. I don't consider illegal immigration a "felony" and I don't believe that a person ought be deported if they find themselves interacting with law enforcement w/r/t broken traffic laws or other misdemeanors.

Well, nice that you seem to be deciding what laws work for you...

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I question that several posters here don't appear to understand what Sanctuary Cities are all about. Surprising.

roughdraft274 · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
No, they prosecute for the crime. They just refuse to call ICE.

When someone is booked in to jail they are required to send off fingerprints and info to the FBI and the FBI calls ICE. At that point, if the immigrant is about to be released because he's only in for something minor ICE can contact them and ask them to detain them longer so they have time to come and get them for deportation, but the city isn't required to hold them, and sanctuary cities will not hold them for deportation. But if the immigrant committed a felony he will probably be in jail for a few days giving ICE time to come get them.

So I'm just not sure where you are getting the info that illegals with felony charges against them are being ignored in sanctuary cities. I'm not under that impression and can't find any evidence to show otherwise. I'm not very well read on the subject so I could be wrong but it sure would be nice to have a source to back up your claim.

ttwtt78640 · Feb 23, 2017

Fletch said:
But the question is why do liberals love them? Why is the left so eager to allow evil big business to exploit illegals for profit?

What you just described is NOT capitalism.

Big business is hardly apt to employ illegals (directly) but nannies, house cleaning, farm/ranch help and lawn care are best kept low cost. Let's not forget that the "anchor baby" is apt to vote demorat for life. Another perk is that the census used to assign House seats does not exclude illegal aliens - Texas and California get added political clout from those illegals.

MaggieD · Feb 23, 2017

roughdraft274 said:
When someone is booked in to jail they are required to send off fingerprints and info to the FBI and the FBI calls ICE. At that point, if the immigrant is about to be released because he's only in for something minor ICE can contact them and ask them to detain them longer so they have time to come and get them for deportation, but the city isn't required to hold them, and sanctuary cities will not hold them for deportation. But if the immigrant committed a felony he will probably be in jail for a few days giving ICE time to come get them.

So I'm just not sure where you are getting the info that illegals with felony charges against them are being ignored in sanctuary cities. I'm not under that impression and can't find any evidence to show otherwise. I'm not very well read on the subject so I could be wrong but it sure would be nice to have a source to back up your claim.

You and I are talking past each other. I can't imagine why. If you don't understand what Sanctuary Cities are, you can Google. It's everywhere. It has nothing to do with cities ignoring and not prosecuting felonies.

calamity · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
I don't understand the mindset of those who support the idea of Sanctuary Cities. Why would city leaders want to protect illegal immigrants who are guilty of felonies? Why would they advertise themselves as such? And why would residents of a city support felonious illegals at the possible expense of Federal funds and huge tax increases?

What's the end game? Why?

It's a bit nuts, I agree. But, I think I can see several reasons....one is libertarian--"keep the feds out of my city."

brothern · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
Well, nice that you seem to be deciding what laws work for you...

Chicago is a sanctuary city. Its policy is that it will not report someone based upon their immigration status alone. Which means that city's law enforcement reserves the right to hand someone over to ICE if they've committed a felony.

MaggieD said:
What's the end game? Why?

Because taking a step back, someone living on one part of the little blue rock hurtling through space instead of living on a different part of that same damn rock - is not enough justification to make that person's life a hell.

Maybe there are miserable people on this world, who enjoy other people being made miserable, because they get a kick out of seeing other people (especially those who are trying to improve their life conditions) face the same kind of misery that they feel.

I am not one of those persons.

roughdraft274 · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
You and I are talking past each other. I can't imagine why. If you don't understand what Sanctuary Cities are, you can Google. It's everywhere. It has nothing to do with cities ignoring and not prosecuting felonies.

You are claiming that if an illegal immigrant commits a felony that a sanctuary city will not call ICE correct? Is that what you're saying?

washunut · Feb 23, 2017

MaggieD said:
The people who have created another class of citizen are the illegals themselves. Reporting a crime isn't going to get someone deported. COMMITTING the crime is going to get them deported. You raise an interesting point, though. Maybe big cities, like Chicago, don't WANT illegals reporting crimes to keep their stats down, so they promote this false narrative that if they report they might be arrested and deported.

There's SOMETHING behind it I don't think we understand.

The big something is identity politics. The democrat party has decided that their path to victory is to peel of various groups. Not materially different than Obama "evolving" on issues like same sex marriage or which bathroom a transgender can use.

brothern · Feb 23, 2017

washunut said:
The big something is identity politics. The democrat party has decided that their path to victory is to peel of various groups. Not materially different than Obama "evolving" on issues like same sex marriage or which bathroom a transgender can use.

"Identity politics" - a term invented because what it actually is - "civil rights" became uncouth to use.

The Democratic party has decided that policies supporting the civil rights of disparaged groups of people is a path to victory. Oh man, crucify them.

SenorXm/Sirius · Feb 23, 2017

calamity said:
It's a bit nuts, I agree. But, I think I can see several reasons....one is libertarian--"keep the feds out of my city."

The states can also step in. Like I mentioned, in Texas the state can absolutely clamp down on Austin, for example. But even though the Republican State politicians promise to do that over and over, they never do. Again, because cheap labor is good for business, and the GOP is very business friendly. Things in Texas might change now because of Trump. The state Republicans might actually HAVE to something because Trump has put the spotlight on illegals.. So now the GOP who's been talking tough, but ignoring the problem. might actually have to act.

It's just sad how many times the GOP has fooled many of the base into believing it's 'all the Dems and Libs' fault.

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