Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

[Dragonfly]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with racism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are white people.

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with sexism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are men.

It's always the group that seems to have the advantage/benefit that wants to loudly claim there is no problem.

This comes back to the pie analogy.
Rights are not like a pie. Just because somebody else gets more, does not mean you get less.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

So the question comes back to:
Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

 

[Gonzo Rodeo]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with racism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are white people.

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with sexism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are men.

It's always the group that seems to have the advantage/benefit that wants to loudly claim there is no problem.

This comes back to the pie analogy.
Rights are not like a pie. Just because somebody else gets more, does not mean you get less.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

So the question comes back to:
Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

Why is it that when white people face bigotry and racism (the classic definition, not the new one), they are told they don't know what real racism or bigotry is? Why is it that when men face imbedded sexism in society, such as disparate treatment in the court system and cases concerning domestic violence, men are told to shut up and "man up"?

Anyone can label (or dispute) when racism or sexism exists, if you are actually being color/gender blind. Your question seems to suggest that only non-white people and women should be able to say.

 

[MaggieD]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with racism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are white people.

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with sexism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are men.

It's always the group that seems to have the advantage/benefit that wants to loudly claim there is no problem.

This comes back to the pie analogy.
Rights are not like a pie. Just because somebody else gets more, does not mean you get less.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

So the question comes back to:
Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

"They" can present all the studies "they" want that there isn't. The ultimate truth lies within each individual's heart. Always remember the old adage...

"There are three kinds of lies: ordinary lies, damn lies and statistics."

 

[Dragonfly]

Why is it that when white people face bigotry and racism (the classic definition, not the new one),

Please explain some instances/examples of when white people (in the USofA) face racism.

Also explain what you mean by "the classic definition, not the new one".


Yes, in some cases men get unfairly shafted in divorce court. I don't see many/anyone denying that.

 

[HonestJoe]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

That isn’t true though. Everyone is free to express an opinion on whether discrimination is a factor, either in a specific case or as a general issue. What you seem to be saying is that the opinions of white people and men should be dismissed out of hand if they disagree with you.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

True, though shouldn’t that include concerns about false accusations, exaggerations or misrepresentations of discrimination too? Bad solutions to poorly assessed problems can easily be worse than no solution at all.

Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

It’d be hypocritical to answer anything other than all of us. The difficult bit is reaching a consensus on the details.

 

[Dragonfly]

What you seem to be saying is that the opinions of white people and men should be dismissed out of hand if they disagree with you.

No. Not saying that at all.

Opinions of any one group do not determine the facts.

In the USofA, should white people be emphatically stating that racial discrimination is no longer an issue?

In Saudi Arabia, should the men be the ones emphatically stating that there's no issues with rights/freedoms for women?

 

[joG]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with racism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are white people.

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with sexism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are men.

It's always the group that seems to have the advantage/benefit that wants to loudly claim there is no problem.

This comes back to the pie analogy.
Rights are not like a pie. Just because somebody else gets more, does not mean you get less.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

So the question comes back to:
Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

Dem dat is smat.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Please explain some instances/examples of when white people (in the USofA) face racism.

Also explain what you mean by "the classic definition, not the new one".


Yes, in some cases men get unfairly shafted in divorce court. I don't see many/anyone denying that.

Your entire OP is an example of both racism and sexism.

Such occurs whenever someone selects a race or sex and then attributes positive or negative attributes to the entire group solely on the basis of said race or sex.

Therefore (to answer your OP question), anyone who recognizes group classification may point out something is racist or sexist. :coffeepap:

 

[Dragonfly]

Your entire OP is an example of both racism and sexism.

So says the white male. :2razz:

 

[Captain Adverse]

So says the white male. :2razz:

I am not "white," albeit I am male.

You are a victim of your own assumption bias. (Look up the word "hubris.")

Meanwhile, neither of those facts lessens the truth of my response. :shrug:

 

[countryboy]

Why is it that when white people face bigotry and racism (the classic definition, not the new one), they are told they don't know what real racism or bigotry is? Why is it that when men face imbedded sexism in society, such as disparate treatment in the court system and cases concerning domestic violence, men are told to shut up and "man up"?

Anyone can label (or dispute) when racism or sexism exists, if you are actually being color/gender blind. Your question seems to suggest that only non-white people and women should be able to say.

The problem is further exacerbated when people falsely accuse others of racism and bigotry.

 

[Cigar]

No one gets to determine anything for me ...

 

[countryboy]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with racism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are white people.

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with sexism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are men.

It's always the group that seems to have the advantage/benefit that wants to loudly claim there is no problem.

This comes back to the pie analogy.
Rights are not like a pie. Just because somebody else gets more, does not mean you get less.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

So the question comes back to:
Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

Why is it libs can't have an honest discussion about, well, pretty much anything, but in this case, race/gender discrimination?

 

[TheGoverness]

"They" can present all the studies "they" want that there isn't. The ultimate truth lies within each individual's heart. Always remember the old adage...

"There are three kinds of lies: ordinary lies, damn lies and statistics."

Statistics when people manipulate them to fit their needs.

But to Dragonfly's question, I think society is supposed to determine that. Not just minorities or women. For example, even though I'm gay, that doesn't mean only I (and people like me) should get to determine whether discrimination exists against LGBT people or not. I think most of everyone can agree that discrimination against sexual orientation exists; the problem is what the extent of it is. Same goes for racism and sexism.

 

[AGENT J]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with racism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are white people.

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with sexism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are men.

It's always the group that seems to have the advantage/benefit that wants to loudly claim there is no problem.

This comes back to the pie analogy.
Rights are not like a pie. Just because somebody else gets more, does not mean you get less.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

So the question comes back to:
Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

Well im not sure exactly what you are talking about. "People" are always going to have "opinions" overall they are pretty meaningless.

If its a legal issue of course the legal system determines it, if not, it really doesnt matter that much. It can be sad and its a shame it happens but it never going to stop on any issue really and it goes in both directions. People claiming something is when it isnt. :shrug:

For the record though ANYBODY that thinks there still isnt a problem with racism or sexism is simply blind to facts. A discussion can be had on how big a problem it is and how much we have or have not improved but not of their existence.

So again to answer your question if its a legal issue of courts thats how it get determined. if its not its just kinda is what it is.

 

[AGENT J]

Why is it libs can't have an honest discussion about, well, pretty much anything, but in this case, race/gender discrimination?

FYI



Why is it that the majority of your posts have the word "libs" in it and falsely judge those people as a whole?
Hack post = exposed Lmao

 

[HonestJoe]

No. Not saying that at all.

Then there’s no justification in your calling out specific types of people or in lumping them all together.

In the USofA, should white people be emphatically stating that racial discrimination is no longer an issue?

In Saudi Arabia, should the men be the ones emphatically stating that there's no issues with rights/freedoms for women?

If that’s what they believe they should be free to say so, just as those of us who disagree should be free to say so too (even if we’re also guilty of being white and male!). Skin colour and gender isn’t relevant to the accuracy or legitimacy of any of these statements.

 

[devildavid]

In the U.S. it should be determined by the people through activism and our political system.

 

[celticwar17]

Unfortunately, human beings tend to take advantage of anything they can, including supposed victim status. So there always will be a balance of realists, hyperbole, and down-players... and that balance is a must.

As far as if someone's race/gender determines the validity of their opinions.... I find that incredibly racist.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Why is it that it seems only white people have the ability and/or the authority to determine if racism exists or not?

Why is it that it seems only men have the ability and/or the authority to determine if gender discrimination exists or not?

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with racism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are white people.

When people suggest/imply that there's still a problem with sexism in the USofA, the vast majority of folks insisting that it's a lie/fallacy are men.

It's always the group that seems to have the advantage/benefit that wants to loudly claim there is no problem.

This comes back to the pie analogy.
Rights are not like a pie. Just because somebody else gets more, does not mean you get less.

Wouldn't addressing the concerns be more productive than dismissing the the concerns?

So the question comes back to:
Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

The power structure will decide and the people will obey their corporate state media televisions.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Unfortunately, human beings tend to take advantage of anything they can, including supposed victim status. So there always will be a balance of realists, hyperbole, and down-players... and that balance is a must.

As far as if someone's race/gender determines the validity of their opinions.... I find that incredibly racist.

" ..., human beings tend to take advantage of anything they can, ... "

No, all human beings are not like that, and all it would take for change would be for those human beings who are not like that to merely stop cooperating and participating with those who are.

 

[Dragonfly]

Then there’s no justification in your calling out specific types of people or in lumping them all together.

If that’s what they believe they should be free to say so, just as those of us who disagree should be free to say so too (even if we’re also guilty of being white and male!). Skin colour and gender isn’t relevant to the accuracy or legitimacy of any of these statements.

In the USofA is there, or is there not a racial issue between whites and non-whites?
In the USofA is there or is there not a gender issue between men and women?

I picked two examples that are current and relevant to the USofA today.

The racial one is much bigger than the gender one, but they are both there.

If you'd chose to examine the concept using other examples feel free. Define them.


So one group says there's a race issue. The one's that are the race in question.
The other group says there isn't a race issue. Just so happens they're the white group.

Is there a problem? Should something be done to try to "fix" the issue? Should the group denying the problem just throw their hands up and sigh with exasperation and roll their eyes?

One group says there's a problem with racial discrimination.
The other group calls those people un-American, and worse.

What's the next move?

 

[celticwar17]

" ..., human beings tend to take advantage of anything they can, ... "

No, all human beings are not like that, and all it would take for change would be for those human beings who are not like that to merely stop cooperating and participating with those who are.

But you are assuming it's so clear... and you are assuming it's on purpose or conscious.

 

[Fenton Lum]

But you are assuming it's so clear... and you are assuming it's on purpose or conscious.

When 1% of the planet's population holds over 99% of the planet's wealth and resources, random chance is not the most parsimonious hypothesis.

 

[celticwar17]

When 1% of the planet's population holds over 99% of the planet's wealth and resources, random chance is not the most parsimonious hypothesis.

What?
It's nature itself. You will ALWAYS have 1% of the planets population holding most the wealth..
it's called the Poisson distribution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

it's a fundamental law of nature.