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Nope . This "referendum" violated the constitution of Soviet Union.Dont make stuff up. I have nothing against the Russian people. What a foolish, baseless statement
They didnt 'break away.' It was a legal and recognized referendum.
Nope. Ukraine was artificially assembled and created by bolshevicks from several Russian lands.Ukraine was not originally ethnically Russian, it was it's own land.
blah blah blahEr...otherwise "ethnic Russians" wouldnt have an issue now, would they? If it was originally Russian?And If the ethnic Russians got comfy in Donbas during the USSR period, that's not Ukraine's fault.
The same is true for ethnic Ukrainians in Donbass . They can safely move to Western Ukraine.The ethnic Russians can always go and enjoy the company of other ethnic Russians if they dont want to live in Ukraine.
Before 1991 it WAS part of Russia/USSR. And the USSR constitution applied.AGAIN: Ukraine is not part of Russia/USSR. So, that nation's constitution doesn't apply.
Pay attention.
Post #301Nope . This "referendum" violated the constitution of Soviet Union.
Nope. Ukraine was artificially assembled and created by bolshevicks from several Russian lands.
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Nope . This "referendum" violated the constitution of Soviet Union.
Nope. Ukraine was artificially assembled and created by bolshevicks from several Russian lands.
blah blah blah
The same is true for ethnic Ukrainians in Donbass . They can safely move to Western Ukraine.
(Post #302)Before 1991 it WAS part of Russia/USSR. And the USSR constitution applied.
At the time of their illegal referendum it was a part of USSR.
They have been leaving since 2014. And they do not keave with the shirts on their backs. They leave along with their lands
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I look forward to your corroborating this claim via international laws that state, clearly, that any citizen that wants to leave his/her/their country has the legal right to take his/her/their "land" with them - and to join that "land" to/with another country.
(I surely hope you can see how ridiculous this claim - "They leave along with their lands" - looks.)
Donbass is part of Ukraine. Russia had and has no right to invade Ukraine.
What you're saying is clear: Hitler had every right to demand he be given Czechoslovakia. Had others not caved and given him most of that country, Hitler would have had every right to invade and take Czechoslovakia by force.
THIS is what you're supporting: Hitler's takeovers of other countries.
Ukraine's legal referendum was recognized and codified. Peacefully. Why do you make stuff up? Just because Donbass was populated by a lot of ethnic Russians during USSR rule doenst mean they are entitled to take Ukraine land after its independence.
Why not? Nations are formed and broken up all the time. What is so different about Ukraine? And it is not Ukraine land like it was a gift from Ukraine to the Russians of Donbass. It is lands they have been living on for centuries. If they want to leave Ukraine, they leave with their lands.
This is not a concept foreign to the US or Europe. The Kosovars of Serbia wanted out of Serbia, were they supposed to up and leave to Albania? No. The US and Eu fought Serbia to separate Kosovo from Serbia
Graham had been forewarned and prepped before the Oval Office hit on Z.Not good for Zelensky. He just lost Senator Graham
'Complete, utter disaster' - Lindsey Graham reacts to Zelensky meeting
The US senator, a formerly staunch supporter of Ukraine, suggested President Volodymyr Zelensky should resign.www.bbc.com
tRumPutiNetanyahu are following in the steps of WW II dictators.Why not? Nations are formed and broken up all the time. What is so different about Ukraine? And it is not Ukraine land like it was a gift from Ukraine to the Russians of Donbass. It is lands they have been living on for centuries. If they want to leave Ukraine, they leave with their lands.
This is not a concept foreign to the US or Europe. The Kosovars of Serbia wanted out of Serbia, were they supposed to up and leave to Albania? No. The US and Eu fought Serbia to separate Kosovo from Serbia
As I said, Team Biden did this.
Trump is left to clean up their mess, attempting to bring WORLD PEACE. Don't like how he does it, don't fund wars without conditions.
I listed at least 2 reasons. Please address them directly because they mostly refute what you wrote.
Graham had been forewarned and prepped before the Oval Office hit on Z.
2 If the populations of Donbass want out of Ukraine, that is their right.
I assumed you understood GOPutins.You have evidence for that?
Why not? Nations are formed and broken up all the time. What is so different about Ukraine? And it is not Ukraine land like it was a gift from Ukraine to the Russians of Donbass. It is lands they have been living on for centuries. If they want to leave Ukraine, they leave with their lands.
This is not a concept foreign to the US or Europe. The Kosovars of Serbia wanted out of Serbia, were they supposed to up and leave to Albania? No. The US and Eu fought Serbia to separate Kosovo from Serbia
tRumPutiNetanyahu are following in the steps of WW II dictators.
There is no Soviet Union and it was all done legally and peacefully. The Soviet Union invaded and took over Ukraine in 1919...so their independence in '91 was wholly justified. Now you are just posting some party line you've been suckered into believing.
You are "spinning" history. And ethnic Ukraines' shouldnt have to leave Ukraine land just because some ethnic Russians got comfy there during the Soviet Union's rule.
It was Trump and Vance who disrespected Zelensky and the Ukranian people. I am not usually shocked at what Trump says, I have become desensitized. But this was a new low for American diplomacy, the clowns are in charge, and Putin is over joyed.That was the most disgusting display by Vance and Trump I have ever witnessed. Now Trump has tweeted out saying Zelensky disrespected the Oval Office!!!!! So much for Trump's deal making!!!!
Its the tiny brains that concern me.Considering the bully treatment and the outright hostile body language "Z" showed balls!
When Trump waves his hands back and forth he's showing deep frustration - the gesture is a 'wipe out' where he is wiping away the uncomfortable shit Zelenski is saying
This was all STAGED for the cameras to show how tough Donny & Timmy can be in a two on one in the White House.
Cowards are always cowards.
Did anyone else notice that both Trump and Vance have tiny hands??????
This is what you posted:
Lursa said:
Ukraine's legal referendum was recognized and codified. Peacefully. Why do you make stuff up? Just because Donbass was populated by a lot of ethnic Russians during USSR rule doenst mean they are entitled to take Ukraine land after its independence.
1 Referendum or not, what makes Ukraine, or any other nation for that matter, indivisible?
2 If the populations of Donbass want out of Ukraine, that is their right. Just as it was the right of the thirteen colonies to leave Britain. Just as it was the right of the Confederate States to leave the United States. The only condition is that the populations leaving are powerful enough to pull it off
RUssia has every possible right to back separatists after the armed mob in Kiev has overthrown a democratically elected government of Victor Yanukovich in bloody violent coup. The people of Eatern Ukraine never elected the "interim" government of Yatsenyuk and his fellas from Ukrainian nationalists junta. So the revolt and uprising in Donbass was very logical and consistent.
Keep reading. I discussed all that.
The world is watching on in amazement. Its difficult to see how magas can normalise that farce.It was Trump and Vance who disrespected Zelensky and the Ukranian people. I am not usually shocked at what Trump says, I have become desensitized. But this was a new low for American diplomacy, the clowns are in charge, and Putin is over joyed.
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