Who gives people the authority to decide for others? In my world even parents have no say in that. They don´t own their children.

[Ganondagan]

I skipped a grade and was born before the cutoff date but after the school year started.

I entered 7th grade at age 12 and graduated High School at age 17 also. It depended on the month of my birth. I was always the youngest in the class.

 

[Phys251]

I was molested by an adult man when I was 11. I had not realized it at the time, but he had been grooming me for some time. Thankfully, it did not get very far.


It took me a great deal to get past it, but I came through it with the realization that I was not the guilty one and that no child ever is. I did not go the Stockholm Syndrome route, even though others have. I OPPOSE adults who mess with children's heads rather than support them.

I am very sorry that you endured that. Nobody should ever have to.

That does not change the fact that you have been alarmingly quiet about priests and ministers.

 

[Gardener]

I am very sorry that you endured that. Nobody should ever have to.

That does not change the fact that you have been alarmingly quiet about priests and ministers.

Throw the book at them when they molest children and immediately fire the entire chain of command protecting them.

 

[Phys251]

Throw the book at them when they molest children and immediately fire the entire chain of command protecting them.

On that, we agree.

 

[CLAX1911]

14-17 is below the age of consent.

a 14 year old boy does not need his school showing him how to hook up with adult men for sex.

They don't know what's in these books they didn't read them. It's too hard to read a book written for 14 year olds. This person routinely refers to me as under educated and I was able to read it.

The sad part about this book parts of it were good and I think would actually help young LGBT people. There's also some perverted stuff in here that makes me question the motives of the author. I think that person needs to be investigated for writing this.

 

[CLAX1911]

We had the first sex education in primary school. This "this is a penis and this is a vagina" kind of stuff. I think that was a good thing although we weren´t much interested . It depends on how it is done. School shall educate and putting some things together for the kids who are watching porn anyway.

The first time I learned about it and my school was actually in third grade this would be about 8 to 10 year olds we learned the difference between boys and girls, how humans reproduce.

I think the desire to watch porn at quite a young age is not knowing is not having the knowledge. I was exposed to it quite young and this was before people had internet connections in their home. Somebody always had dirty magazines. I think you make an interesting point getting out in front of it and answering questions before maybe come curious enough to look at pornography is probably the best way to handle it.

 

[CLAX1911]

First time I had sex I was 14 and so was the girl. A book probably wouldn't have hurt.

A book that explains how a 14 year old boy can hook up for 35 year old gay men?

I read this book there were parts of it that probably would have helped me but then there's parts of it that I don't think are appropriate for kids and it's not because it explains some mechanics of gay sex.

I don't know why the author thought to include some of the stuff that any rational adult would see as inappropriate.

 

[Lisa]

A book that explains how a 14 year old boy can hook up for 35 year old gay men?

I read this book there were parts of it that probably would have helped me but then there's parts of it that I don't think are appropriate for kids and it's not because it explains some mechanics of gay sex.

I don't know why the author thought to include some of the stuff that any rational adult would see as inappropriate.

Then leave it on the library shelf. Its not required reading for teens or adults.

Lolita was required reading for me in HS. Its just a book. The teacher wasn't endorsing the actions or thoughts of Nabokov when it was discussed. Stop being so emotionally driven.

 

[Gardener]

They don't know what's in these books they didn't read them. It's too hard to read a book written for 14 year olds. This person routinely refers to me as under educated and I was able to read it.

The sad part about this book parts of it were good and I think would actually help young LGBT people. There's also some perverted stuff in here that makes me question the motives of the author. I think that person needs to be investigated for writing this.

Back in the 70s, my gay friends worked to disabuse people of the notion that gay men were out to convert their children.

How ironic that a straight woman is accusing you of not being gay enough because you don't.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Back in the 70s, my gay friends worked to disabuse people of the notion that gay men were out to convert their children.

How ironic that a straight woman is accusing you of not being gay enough because you don't.

Indeed.
I was born in 1965, so I grew up in the 70s.
At that time, gays were looked at as perverted weirdos by most. Just a notch above a child predator on the cringe scale.
Of course there was blatant hypocrisy - lesbians were hot.
I did not know personally my first gay man until early 20s. He had not come out, there were rumors. He was a cool dude, I liked him right along with everyone else.
He came out, and that was very good for me. I was not going to alienate him, or not like him because of it. That isn't me. So that opened my eyes quite a bit to the whole thing.
This story may seem very backwards, but I grew up in a small town - so there is that.

 

[Gardener]

Then leave it on the library shelf. Its not required reading for teens or adults.

For being the forum's self-appointed expert in all things under the sun, somehow you missed the fact that 40 year old men ****ing 14 year old boys is illegal. This book encouraged it and you want it accessible to children.

 

[CLAX1911]

Back in the 70s, my gay friends worked to disabuse people of the notion that gay men were out to convert their children.

Yeah the FBI did a number on us gay men at least with their creating nambla. But yes if anything I do my best to convince your kid they're not gay it's not easy.

How ironic that a straight woman is accusing you of not being gay enough because you don't.

But this whole notion that you're going to be ostracized from the LGBT. And it's just yet another thing you've been kicked out of. But that's how it works anymore.

 

[Lisa]

Yeah the FBI did a number on us gay men at least with their creating nambla. But yes if anything I do my best to convince your kid they're not gay it's not easy.

Conversion therapy from a gay man is horrific. You should be supportive instead.

But this whole notion that you're going to be ostracized from the LGBT. And it's just yet another thing you've been kicked out of. But that's how it works anymore.

You hated when society accused gay men of being pedos' but you have no problem doing the very same thing to transgender people. Does the word hypocrite mean anything to you.

 

[CLAX1911]

Conversion therapy from a gay man is horrific. You should be supportive instead.

Where did you get conversion therapy out of that?

I think you're probably going to most dishonest posters on the forum.

You hated when society accused gay men of being pedos' but you have no problem doing the very same thing to transgender people.

What the hell are you talking about? I never accused a transgender person of being a pedo. I think you have a victimhood fetish.

Does the word hypocrite mean anything to you.

I'm a hypocrite because you lie? In what world does that make sense?

 

[Lisa]

Where did you get conversion therapy out of that?

I think you're probably going to most dishonest posters on the forum.

As a gay man yourself, trying to talk who you suspect of being gay out of being gay is an act of conversion therapy. You are setting up a situation of shame, and internalized homophobia. You know very well that you didn't choose to be gay. You just are, so why do you think that others choose to be gay and should be hinted that isnt not good to be gay instead of being supportive when someone is scared and feel socially ostracized for their homosexuality feelings.

What the hell are you talking about? I never accused a transgender person of being a pedo. I think you have a victimhood fetish.

The entire trans culture war, that you take part in, is doing just that. Telling people that MtF are perverts who use female bathrooms and locker-rooms as a way to find victims for sexual conquest, mostly because you don't understand or you reject the core concepts of biologically-based psychological gender identity for some strange reason.

I'm a hypocrite because you lie? In what world does that make sense?

See above.

 

[CLAX1911]

As a gay man yourself, trying to talk who you suspect of being gay out of being gay is an act of conversion therapy.

Fair enough, bad choice of words. I wouldn't want my godson to be gay. If he was, I'd love him the same, but it's not something I wish for people.

You are setting up a situation of shame, and internalized homophobia.

Yeah, I get that; I communicated my thoughts poorly. I apologize.

You know very well that you didn't choose to be gay. You just are, so why do you think that others choose to be gay and should be hinted that isnt not good to be gay instead of being supportive when someone is scared and feel socially ostracized for their homosexuality feelings.

Yes I get why what I said was seen that way. I didn't mean that.

The entire trans culture war, that you take part in, is doing just that. Telling people that MtF are perverts who use female bathrooms and locker-rooms as a way to find victims for sexual conquest, mostly because you don't understand or you reject the core concepts of biologically-based psychological gender identity for some strange reason.

I don't tell them that they're perverts. I don't think that they are. I think perverts can lie about being trans and then have access. Do you think that perverts are capable of lying?

So because of this ability of people to lie and the fact that I think it's invasive for a school or a gym or something that provides a female private space to look into a person's medical history, it needs to be at their discretion.

I wouldn't think a person who is male trying to be feminine and female would act in these spaces in a way that a pervert would.

They would probably go about their business, and as I understand, most trans women don't get bottom surgery, so they would try and keep that to themselves, so it should be obvious.

See above.

I apologize for accusing you of lying. I get how I communicated poorly. I hope you understand my clarification.

 

[Lisa]

Fair enough, bad choice of words. I wouldn't want my godson to be gay. If he was, I'd love him the same, but it's not something I wish for people.


Yeah, I get that; I communicated my thoughts poorly. I apologize.

Yes I get why what I said was seen that way. I didn't mean that.

Understood.

I don't tell them that they're perverts. I don't think that they are. I think perverts can lie about being trans and then have access. Do you think that perverts are capable of lying?

If a perv wanted to abuse a child or teen they arent going into a locker-room or a bathroom with multiple witnesses inside and out. Trans people are eunuchs because of the anti-androgens and HRT. They typically have zero sex drive, pre-op. This is why trans porn uses Viagra and Cialis to get an erection because its not possible otherwise.

Trans people only use the bathroom of their identity when they pass. Someone who still looks and passes as cisgender are not going to use the bathroom of their gender identity. Its scary and risky. Its usually only after going into the bathroom of their birth sex and are told they are in the wrong bathroom do they start to use the bathroom of their gender identity. Even then they are scared and nervous about being attacked. Many refuse to use public bathrooms for that reason.

So because of this ability of people to lie and the fact that I think it's invasive for a school or a gym or something that provides a female private space to look into a person's medical history, it needs to be at their discretion.

Claiming to be trans doesn't happen easily at schools because of the risk. They usually want to talk to the parents, a social worker if the parents arent positive and the school psychologist. Bathrooms are usually only when living full time and dressing the part, so they stand out too much and there is risk of assault/harassment if they use the bathroom of their birth sex.

I wouldn't think a person who is male trying to be feminine and female would act in these spaces in a way that a pervert would.

Not in a very public place such as a bathroom that has witnesses and security cameras.

They would probably go about their business, and as I understand, most trans women don't get bottom surgery, so they would try and keep that to themselves, so it should be obvious.

Many get an orchi' (testes removal) or some form of minimal bottom surgery so they can take lower HRT and no anti-androgen. Many don't get bottom surgery because of the cost. ($50K plus) or their body wont tolerate the surgery for some reason.

I apologize for accusing you of lying. I get how I communicated poorly. I hope you understand my clarification.

Understood. No apologies needed. Its a discussion site.

 

[CLAX1911]

Understood.

Thank you.

If a perv wanted to abuse a child or teen they arent going into a locker-room or a bathroom with multiple witnesses inside and out.

You would never well that's for one particular type of perverted behavior as we know there is a whole gamut.

Party people but it's beside the point I'm not saying trans people do this because they're trans and that's the point I want to get across I'm saying perverts can use this to gain access say they want to flash people will you count say it won't happen in the locker room because they do that.

Trans people are eunuchs because of the anti-androgens and HRT. They typically have zero sex drive, pre-op. This is why trans porn uses Viagra and Cialis to get an erection because its not possible otherwise.

Again I want you to know this this is the message I'm trying to get across. The government is like I I'm not saying that the people doing these sorts of things are trans or that trans people are the only people that do these sorts of things.

I'm not targeting trans people. I'm pointing out simply that the desire to accommodate them which is not a bad thing can open doors.

Not saying we shouldn't accommodate them I'm saying we should mind the doors that's all.

Trans people only use the bathroom of their identity when they pass. Someone who still looks and passes as cisgender are not going to use the bathroom of their gender identity.

Again this really isn't about trans people. It's about understanding the negatives that come along with the accommodation.

Its scary and risky. Its usually only after going into the bathroom of their birth sex and are told they are in the wrong bathroom do they start to use the bathroom of their gender identity. Even then they are scared and nervous about being attacked. Many refuse to use public bathrooms for that reason.

Again this really isn't about trans people I don't think trans people are the problem are you agree with you they would be probably pretty shy about people finding out that they're trans. As I understand it that's part of gender dysphoria.

Claiming to be trans doesn't happen easily at schools because of the risk.

They usually want to talk to the parents, a social worker if the parents arent positive and the school psychologist. Bathrooms are usually only when living full time and dressing the part, so they stand out too much and there is risk of assault/harassment if they use the bathroom of their birth sex.

Again this really isn't about trans people per se

Not in a very public place such as a bathroom that has witnesses and security cameras.

But typically locker rooms don't have cameras in them so there's not a lot of security monitoring because it's a private place.

But if someone doing their public perversion doesn't give a s*** about witnesses then that doesn't matter. There are exhibitionists that get off on the idea that there are witnesses that's the whole thing. And this I think would be the primary issue with safety would be an exhibitionist or in simple terms a flasher. They like people to witness it they want them to see.

Many get an orchi' (testes removal) or some form of minimal bottom surgery so they can take lower HRT and no anti-androgen. Many don't get bottom surgery because of the cost. ($50K plus) or their body wont tolerate the surgery for some reason.

How many people sure I don't think the problem is ever going to be a person like this making a problem.

Understood. No apologies needed. Its a discussion site.

Again thank you.

 

[armycowboy]

For being the forum's self-appointed expert in all things under the sun, somehow you missed the fact that 40 year old men ****ing 14 year old boys is illegal. This book encouraged it and you want it accessible to children.

Murder is illegal. So is assault, arson, burglary, etc. How many books contain depictions of these crimes? Should we take them all off the shelves?

 

[Lisa]

Murder is illegal. So is assault, arson, burglary, etc. How many books contain depictions of these crimes? Should we take them all off the shelves?

The bible describes bestiality in Ezekiel 23:20. Should that book be 21 and over?

It also has multiple mentions of genocide, teen rape, and murder.

 

[CLAX1911]

Murder is illegal. So is assault, arson, burglary, etc. How many books contain depictions of these crimes?

It's not really a depiction of a crime more like a how to hook up in the internet.

Should we take them all off the shelves?

They certainly should be age appropriate. I don't take issue explaining to gay adult men how to hook up using grinder but a 13 year old?

 

[Lisa]

It's not really a depiction of a crime more like a how to hook up in the internet.

They certainly should be age appropriate. I don't take issue explaining to gay adult men how to hook up using grinder but a 13 year old?

A 13 YO could not use Grindr.

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[armycowboy]

It's not really a depiction of a crime more like a how to hook up in the internet.

They certainly should be age appropriate. I don't take issue explaining to gay adult men how to hook up using grinder but a 13 year old?

Maybe the book "Lord of the Flies" should be banned from kids according to your standards. It "teaches" adolescents how to kill one another, doesn't it?

 

[CLAX1911]

Maybe the book "Lord of the Flies" should be banned from kids according to your standards.

No. It's not a how to in murdering people. It's a story to suggest without society humans become savage.

The book I'm referring to shows instructions for 12 year olds how to find anonymous men for gay hookups. An 18 year old learning how to go have anonymous gay hook ups is okay.

It "teaches" adolescents how to kill one another, doesn't it?

No it doesn't. It's not a how too.

You should read the book you are commenting on. You'd understand.

 

[CLAX1911]

A 13 YO could not use Grindr.

All the more reason not to have instruction on it.

Did you read this book?

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See above.