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House Democrats clinched their victory on Sunday with an agreement on abortion. Democratic opponents of abortion rights, led by Representative Bart Stupak of Michigan, announced that they would vote for the legislation after Mr. Obama promised to issue an executive order “to ensure that federal funds are not used for abortion services” if the bill passed.
I think he'll enact the executive order and then repeal it after some time passes. Stupak should have had the wording in the bill, that way it is set in stone. However, what is best is to just have the legislation shot down in the first place.
Anybody care telling me which part of this bill funds abortion?
Irrelevant really to the discussion.
Backman and 11 others believed from their reading of the bill and their aides reading of the Bill that its ambiguity regarding language concerning abortion left open the possability for interpritation by congress or agencies to allow for federal money to go towards abortion services.
To win their votes Obama promised to put forward an Executive Order closing the loophole THEY believe to be there.
THIS THREAD's topic isn't rather or not the Health Care Bill allowed for federal money to go to abortion services, but whether or not Obama will keep his promise that won the votes needed to pass the health care reform or if he'll end up backing out of it now that the votes are cast.
So then in other words Obama has to make good on a promise for an issue which there is no justification for other than 'Backman and 11 others' say so. Good to know this isn't a real debate and just Zyphlin supporting claims which have no basis other than 'Backman and 11 others' say so. No. Obama shouldn't have to bend down to the wishes of 12 members of Congress.
I have no reason to doubt he will make the executive order. It would be incredibly foolish politically not to.
I actually wonder about this and if it would actually be more political advantageous of him to do it. If my memory serves me Stupak and his supposed 11 were from relatively conservative districts to begin with, and I think many were in states Obama carried last election. He has a portion of his base extremely upset with him potentially doing the signing statement. Also, because its being done in a signing statement and not actually inserted into the law its questionable on how concrete it will actaully be, likely winning him little favors from the conservative side as well.
He's painting himself into a damned if you do, damned if you don't corner in the name of getting his health care bill passed. However, I almost think more harm will come to him in doing the signing statement then not doing it.
However, it will be devestating to Stupak and the others that were part of his band. However I imagine they're likely done for either way.
Stupak, as many on the right have suggested all month long, has waived not based on any definitive change or measure but on a PROMISE (cause Obama or the Senate has never broken one of those) that something would be done. That promise, according to the NYT's:
So my question to everyone is simple. Will Obama actually make good on the promise of this executive order, yes or no?
Stupak, as many on the right have suggested all month long, has waived not based on any definitive change or measure but on a PROMISE (cause Obama or the Senate has never broken one of those) that something would be done. That promise, according to the NYT's:
So my question to everyone is simple. Will Obama actually make good on the promise of this executive order, yes or no?
Stupak and 11 others believed
Obama signs executive order on abortion funding limits
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 24, 2010 4:14 p.m. EDT
(CNN) -- President Obama signed an executive order Wednesday that ensures that existing limits on the federal funding of abortion remain in place under the new health care overhaul law.
Unlike the signing of the health care bill into law Tuesday, which was conducted under the glare of media cameras, the event Wednesday was closed to the news media.
It was attended by Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan and 12 of his anti-abortion Democratic House colleagues, without whose help the landmark overhaul bill would not have passed, political observers say.
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Many persons have a general opinions of politicians: That they rarely do what they say or promise they will.12 people said "no"? How could Obama possibly back down from his statement to sign an executive order???
Looks like they don't know Obama as well as they think they do.
Many persons have a general opinions of politicians: That they rarely do what they say or promise they will.
Additionally, some persons have a belief that this is the case to an even greater degree in the specific instance of Pres. Obama.
Thus...
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