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WHY STRAW MAN ARGMENTS ARE A FALLACY

Straw Man Fallacy (28 Examples + Definition)

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practicalpie.com

thanks Uncens

interesting article for me to bone up on; it would be great if we had some kind of teaching thread to look at every response and rate what kind of argument is shot back and forth.

seems there are a bunch of Fake ways of splaining things from yur article....

Other Common Logical Fallacies​

• Ad Hominem Fallacy: Attacking the person, not their argument.
• Red Herring: Introducing an unrelated topic to distract from the main argument.
• False Dilemma: Presenting only two options when there are more.
• Slippery Slope Fallacy: Arguing that a single action will lead to a chain of events, often bad ones.
• Appeal to Authority: Claiming something is true because an expert says so, without proper evidence.

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[weaver2]

I recall how Biden was fine, mentally sharp and ran circles around his staff . . . . up until he didn't.

I recall how the origin of COVID couldn't possibly have been a virus research institute but was a 'wet market' . . . up until it wasn't.

I recall how COVID Gain of Function research couldn't possibly have been funded by the US government . . . up until it wasn't.

Your line of argumentation has lost its credibility, as it depends on the MSM reporting fairly, honestly, and without political bias, and we already know that's not true, given the examples above, and many more.

The main stream media did report concerns with Biden's competance. Here's a sample. note the dates.

Mr. Biden would be 86 at the end of a second term, should he run in 2024 and win — a fact that his critics have seized upon and that gives even some Democrats pause.

President Biden Is Turning 80. Experts Say Age Is More Than a Number. (Published 2022)

The New York Times spoke to 10 experts in aging to paint a picture of what the next six years might look like for a person of the president’s age.

www.nytimes.com

Polls show many Americans consider Mr. Biden too old, and some Democratic strategists do not think he should run again.

At 79, Biden Is Testing the Boundaries of Age and the Presidency (Published 2022)

President Biden has said he plans to run for a second term, but his age has become an uncomfortable issue for him and his party.

www.nytimes.com

And in the newer CNN poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire, 56% of likely Democratic voters in the Granite State mentioned the president’s age when asked to name their biggest concern about Biden as a candidate.
A majority of voters – 58% – offered a poor assessment of Biden’s physical and mental fitness

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/politics/joe-biden-birthday-81/index.html

To many top Democratic operatives and officials looking ahead, Biden’s age is the top issue of his reelection campaign

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/16/politics/joe-biden-age-question

Here's the problem: you think the MSM didn't address Biden's aging and his ability to be president because you don't understand language and have to have actual pictures painted for you, videos made, extended rants, lurid descriptions and explicit instructions before you understand that you are supposed to be against something or someone. Liberal media doesn't need to use any of those anti-intellectual ploys because their readers and viewers have some understanding of how language is used to convey news and knowledge. When the NYT says polls show and people are concerned about Biden's ability to manage a second term their readers understand that there is a problem. Conservatives need to be shown photo shopped pictures of the world imploding and people killing each other. They need to hear videos of crazed people screaming, gunshots, blood spattering and explosions before they understand what they are supposed to regurgitate on discussion sites.

Your problem is with language not the liberal media.

 

[eohrnberger]

The main stream media did report concerns with Biden's competance. Here's a sample. note the dates.

Why are you covering up the media's gaslighting?

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Mr. Biden would be 86 at the end of a second term, should he run in 2024 and win — a fact that his critics have seized upon and that gives even some Democrats pause.

President Biden Is Turning 80. Experts Say Age Is More Than a Number. (Published 2022)

The New York Times spoke to 10 experts in aging to paint a picture of what the next six years might look like for a person of the president’s age.

www.nytimes.com

Polls show many Americans consider Mr. Biden too old, and some Democratic strategists do not think he should run again.

At 79, Biden Is Testing the Boundaries of Age and the Presidency (Published 2022)

President Biden has said he plans to run for a second term, but his age has become an uncomfortable issue for him and his party.

www.nytimes.com

And in the newer CNN poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire, 56% of likely Democratic voters in the Granite State mentioned the president’s age when asked to name their biggest concern about Biden as a candidate.
A majority of voters – 58% – offered a poor assessment of Biden’s physical and mental fitness

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/politics/joe-biden-birthday-81/index.html

To many top Democratic operatives and officials looking ahead, Biden’s age is the top issue of his reelection campaign

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/16/politics/joe-biden-age-question

Here's the problem: you think the MSM didn't address Biden's aging and his ability to be president because you don't understand language and have to have actual pictures painted for you, videos made, extended rants, lurid descriptions and explicit instructions before you understand that you are supposed to be against something or someone. Liberal media doesn't need to use any of those anti-intellectual ploys because their readers and viewers have some understanding of how language is used to convey news and knowledge. When the NYT says polls show and people are concerned about Biden's ability to manage a second term their readers understand that there is a problem. Conservatives need to be shown photo shopped pictures of the world imploding and people killing each other. They need to hear videos of crazed people screaming, gunshots, blood spattering and explosions before they understand what they are supposed to regurgitate on discussion sites.

Your problem is with language not the liberal media.

No, I've clearly supported that the MSM lied about, and gaslighted to cover up Biden infirmities. Now, the MSM propagandists are retconning history to enable them to walk away from it, hoping that everyone will just forget.

Sorry, but we have the Internet's videos, and the Internet's video doesn't permit this ignoring or forgetting.
Everyone of them who were previously 'boosting' Biden and now retconning, lying, trying to change history, about what they've previously publicly had stated. The worst part, they all previously knew, yet gaslighted anyway.

 

[rahl]

Got it, so when your side does it, it isn't relevant, because Uber Alles democrat.



The left did.



Yes.

D.C. Gulag Holds J6 Prisoners Hostage Despite Trump’s Pardons

pjmedia.com

Who is miss Darwin?

Ashley Babbitt was summarily executed by BLM affiliated Lt. Michael Byrd in the Rotunda. The party needed to send a CLEAR message to all the consequence of defying the party.



You support shooting and killing unarmed protesters?

Well, such is the Totalitarian Left.

 

[eohrnberger]

The main stream media did report concerns with Biden's competance. Here's a sample. note the dates.

Mr. Biden would be 86 at the end of a second term, should he run in 2024 and win — a fact that his critics have seized upon and that gives even some Democrats pause.

President Biden Is Turning 80. Experts Say Age Is More Than a Number. (Published 2022)

The New York Times spoke to 10 experts in aging to paint a picture of what the next six years might look like for a person of the president’s age.

www.nytimes.com

Polls show many Americans consider Mr. Biden too old, and some Democratic strategists do not think he should run again.

At 79, Biden Is Testing the Boundaries of Age and the Presidency (Published 2022)

President Biden has said he plans to run for a second term, but his age has become an uncomfortable issue for him and his party.

www.nytimes.com

And in the newer CNN poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire, 56% of likely Democratic voters in the Granite State mentioned the president’s age when asked to name their biggest concern about Biden as a candidate.
A majority of voters – 58% – offered a poor assessment of Biden’s physical and mental fitness

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/politics/joe-biden-birthday-81/index.html

To many top Democratic operatives and officials looking ahead, Biden’s age is the top issue of his reelection campaign

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/16/politics/joe-biden-age-question

Here's the problem: you think the MSM didn't address Biden's aging and his ability to be president because you don't understand language and have to have actual pictures painted for you, videos made, extended rants, lurid descriptions and explicit instructions before you understand that you are supposed to be against something or someone. Liberal media doesn't need to use any of those anti-intellectual ploys because their readers and viewers have some understanding of how language is used to convey news and knowledge. When the NYT says polls show and people are concerned about Biden's ability to manage a second term their readers understand that there is a problem. Conservatives need to be shown photo shopped pictures of the world imploding and people killing each other. They need to hear videos of crazed people screaming, gunshots, blood spattering and explosions before they understand what they are supposed to regurgitate on discussion sites.

Your problem is with language not the liberal media.

Here's another.

During an ABC News exclusive interview with President Biden on July 5, 2024, Stephanopoulos pressed Biden on his mental and physical capacity to serve another term, citing reports of cognitive decline from outlets like The New York Times and The Washington Post. Despite these concerns, Stephanopoulos did not explicitly challenge Biden’s claim of fitness, allowing Biden to assert, “I believe so, I wouldn’t be runnin’ if I didn’t think I did” and “I have a cognitive test every single day” through the rigors of the presidency. The interview was framed as a chance for Biden to demonstrate his viability post-debate, implying Stephanopoulos initially engaged with the narrative that Biden could still be fit, even if skeptically.​

a few days later:

On July 9, 2024, Stephanopoulos was captured on video by a passerby on Fifth Avenue in New York City, responding to a question about Biden’s fitness. The unidentified man asked, “Do you think Biden should step down? You’ve talked to him more than anybody else has lately.” Stephanopoulos replied, “I don’t think he can serve four more years.” The grainy video, published by TMZ, showed Stephanopoulos in gym clothes, seemingly caught off-guard.​

This is the gaslighting which you are buying, and now serving to cover up. Why are you doing that?

By the way, this also tells you how much of a leftist political hack Stephanopoulos has always been, in case you didn't recognize it earlier.

 

[soap box]

You had no problem with invading the capitol when Bradley Manning did it to promote transgenderism. But6 that's (D) ifferent.

And of course, armed men - those with AR15's invading Seattle and holding it through force of arms for 10 weeks certainly wasn't "insurrection," that was peaceful protest, Uber Alles democrat.

Burning down the Capitol Hill Police station with cops inside wasn't violence - it was fiery but peaceful.

Hypocrisy, thy name is democrat.

When did any of this happen? Or why do think any of this pertains to Trump's attempted self coup? You don't know anything about any of this.

 

[rahl]

I mean, MSNBC told you it was the most secure election in history,

No, trumps department heads, and every single recount, audit and investigation showed it was.

what with mail-in ballots that didn't check signatures or addresses and all.

Why do you lie?

Besides, your party won, which is really all that matters.

Why do you hate democracy and the constitution?

 

[soap box]

Here's another.

During an ABC News exclusive interview with President Biden on July 5, 2024, Stephanopoulos pressed Biden on his mental and physical capacity to serve another term, citing reports of cognitive decline from outlets like The New York Times and The Washington Post. Despite these concerns, Stephanopoulos did not explicitly challenge Biden’s claim of fitness, allowing Biden to assert, “I believe so, I wouldn’t be runnin’ if I didn’t think I did” and “I have a cognitive test every single day” through the rigors of the presidency. The interview was framed as a chance for Biden to demonstrate his viability post-debate, implying Stephanopoulos initially engaged with the narrative that Biden could still be fit, even if skeptically.​

a few days later:

On July 9, 2024, Stephanopoulos was captured on video by a passerby on Fifth Avenue in New York City, responding to a question about Biden’s fitness. The unidentified man asked, “Do you think Biden should step down? You’ve talked to him more than anybody else has lately.” Stephanopoulos replied, “I don’t think he can serve four more years.” The grainy video, published by TMZ, showed Stephanopoulos in gym clothes, seemingly caught off-guard.​

This is the gaslighting which you are buying, and now serving to cover up. Why are you doing that?

By the way, this also tells you how much of a leftist political hack Stephanopoulos has always been, in case you didn't recognize it earlier.

Your argument is a zero. You're saying you don't believe A so B must be false. I can tell there's problem when a reader automatically and categorically denies the Wall Street Journal.

There were no agents there. There were informants and the only laws they broke were trespassing. Prove it wrong with real facts.

 

[eohrnberger]

Your argument is a zero.

When the MSM's own videos, their own words and public statements, don't sway your opinion. <sigh>
A mind is such a terrible thing to waste.

You're saying you don't believe A so B must be false. I can tell there's problem when a reader automatically and categorically denies the Wall Street Journal.

There were no agents there. There were informants and the only laws they broke were trespassing. Prove it wrong with real facts.

 

[soap box]

When the MSM's own videos, their own words and public statements, don't sway your opinion. <sigh>
A mind is such a terrible thing to waste.

So you don't have any factual information to present that would support your claim. Blaming the media, especially WSJ, doesn't provide any information about anything. So you don't have any facts.

 

[eohrnberger]

So you don't have any factual information to present that would support your claim. Blaming the media, especially WSJ, doesn't provide any information about anything. So you don't have any facts.

I'm not 'blaming' anyone.
I'm posting the public statement some in the media have made, and contrasting what they are saying now, the two being polar opposites of each other. From Biden's running rings around the staff all the way to 'I always knew he was unfit for office', from the same group of people.

I'm not buying their lies and attempted retconning. You have to ask yourself why you are, or at least appear to be.

 

[soap box]

I'm not 'blaming' anyone.
I'm posting the public statement some in the media have made, and contrasting what they are saying now, the two being polar opposites of each other. From Biden's running rings around the staff all the way to 'I always knew he was unfit for office', from the same group of people.

I'm not buying their lies and attempted retconning. You have to ask yourself why you are, or at least appear to be.

So you don't have any facts to support anything. Trump is responsible for J621. There were no agents at the riot.

 

[eohrnberger]

So you don't have any facts to support anything. Trump is responsible for J621. There were no agents at the riot.

Please read the post I responded to:

Who Are the Real Insurrectionists?

WHY STRAW MAN ARGMENTS ARE A FALLACY https://practicalpie.com/straw-man-fallacy/ thanks Uncens interesting article for me to bone up on; it would be great if we had some kind of teaching thread to look at every response and rate what kind of argument is shot back and forth. seems there are a...

debatepolitics.com

That should help you put that exchange into context, rather than whatever you are doing with your posts in response to mine.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Show us where the Democrats invaded the Capitol building,

Thing about the Totalitarian Left is that a lie refuted today, will be repeated tomorrom.

Now all together: NUHN UHN

assaulted policemen

'It's Real Ugly': Protesters Clash With Minneapolis Police After George Floyd's Death

There was chaos and destruction in Minneapolis Tuesday night as police officers and protesters clashed over the death of George Floyd.

www.cbsnews.com

I may be debunking this lie today, but you'll tell it again tomorrow.

and threatened the Congress people within.

Chuck Schumer’s threat to justices just new low in Democrats’ SCOTUS bullying

Sorry, Charlie: Your excuse for threatening Supreme Court justices doesn’t cut it. New York’s own Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, tried Thursday to walk back the direct threats he made t…

nypost.com

I may be debunking this lie today, but you'll tell it again tomorrow.

 

[Fledermaus]

Projection indeed.

Those who can't even be honest about their political affiliation try and paint others as dishonest, sad.

Show us where the Democrats invaded the Capitol building, assaulted policemen and threatened the Congress people within.

 

[soap box]

Please read the post I responded to:

Who Are the Real Insurrectionists?

WHY STRAW MAN ARGMENTS ARE A FALLACY https://practicalpie.com/straw-man-fallacy/ thanks Uncens interesting article for me to bone up on; it would be great if we had some kind of teaching thread to look at every response and rate what kind of argument is shot back and forth. seems there are a...

debatepolitics.com

That should help you put that exchange into context, rather than whatever you are doing with your posts in response to mine.

@weaver2 made sense and quoted sources and you're posting from your imagination. Your argument here is that you think there was a lie so the wall Street Journal must be lying.

That is an incredibly ironic way to defend the biggest liar in American politics.

Trump is responsible for J621 and there were no agents at the riot.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The main stream media did report concerns with Biden's competance. Here's a sample. note the dates.

Mr. Biden would be 86 at the end of a second term, should he run in 2024 and win — a fact that his critics have seized upon and that gives even some Democrats pause.

President Biden Is Turning 80. Experts Say Age Is More Than a Number. (Published 2022)

The New York Times spoke to 10 experts in aging to paint a picture of what the next six years might look like for a person of the president’s age.

www.nytimes.com

Polls show many Americans consider Mr. Biden too old, and some Democratic strategists do not think he should run again.

At 79, Biden Is Testing the Boundaries of Age and the Presidency (Published 2022)

President Biden has said he plans to run for a second term, but his age has become an uncomfortable issue for him and his party.

www.nytimes.com

And in the newer CNN poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire, 56% of likely Democratic voters in the Granite State mentioned the president’s age when asked to name their biggest concern about Biden as a candidate.
A majority of voters – 58% – offered a poor assessment of Biden’s physical and mental fitness

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/politics/joe-biden-birthday-81/index.html

To many top Democratic operatives and officials looking ahead, Biden’s age is the top issue of his reelection campaign

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/16/politics/joe-biden-age-question

Here's the problem: you think the MSM didn't address Biden's aging and his ability to be president because you don't understand language and have to have actual pictures painted for you, videos made, extended rants, lurid descriptions and explicit instructions before you understand that you are supposed to be against something or someone. Liberal media doesn't need to use any of those anti-intellectual ploys because their readers and viewers have some understanding of how language is used to convey news and knowledge. When the NYT says polls show and people are concerned about Biden's ability to manage a second term their readers understand that there is a problem. Conservatives need to be shown photo shopped pictures of the world imploding and people killing each other. They need to hear videos of crazed people screaming, gunshots, blood spattering and explosions before they understand what they are supposed to regurgitate on discussion sites.

Your problem is with language not the liberal media.

Polls only show that the public didn't buy the lies the DNC propaganda corps were pushing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

When did any of this happen? Or why do think any of this pertains to Trump's attempted self coup? You don't know anything about any of this.

ROFL

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, trumps department heads, and every single recount, audit and investigation showed it was.

Nonsense.

Why do you lie?

Are you looking in a mirror and asking that.

Why do you hate democracy and the constitution?

Oh look, another leftist with

How very clever.

 

[soap box]

Polls only show that the public didn't buy the lies the DNC propaganda corps were pushing.

@weaver2 is right, you have a language problem because you got the entire post backwards.

 

[soap box]

ROFL

I see you have nothing. Trump is responsible for J6 and there were no agents at the riot. Your response shows that I'm right, you don't know anything about any of this.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So you don't have any factual information to present that would support your claim. Blaming the media, especially WSJ, doesn't provide any information about anything. So you don't have any facts.

Someone who pretends that CHAZ/CHOP and 18 months of some of the most violent rioting in American history didn't happen can't be taken seriously and certainly isn't interested in facts.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I see you have nothing. Trump is responsible for J6 and there were no agents at the riot. Your response shows that I'm right, you don't know anything about any of this.

I can't take those who lie about the 18 months of violence by democrat brown shirts seriously.

 

[eohrnberger]

@weaver2 made sense and quoted sources and you're posting from your imagination.

LOL. I've posted videos of what the MSM was saying at the time, and here you are calling it 'imagination'.
I can't think of a more imaginative response from you.

The fact of the matter is this: The MSM propagandists, in their usual compliance and complicitness with the left, ran cover and were gaslighting about Biden's infirmities up until the moment were it was signaled that they could change their tune, and now they are busy covering their own asses they've exposed.

You and @weaver2 just don't want to see it.

Your argument here is that you think there was a lie so the wall Street Journal must be lying.

The lying from the MSM was shown in their own videos, which I've posted here.
Or do you dispute those videos and the content of those videos?

That is an incredibly ironic way to defend the biggest liar in American politics.

You are straying from the topic at hand.

Trump is responsible for J621 and there were no agents at the riot.

Show me the court decision which determined this.
The left's demanded push narrative isn't reliable in any way, as has been shown by the many fabricated hoaxes and smear campaigns.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Show us where the Democrats invaded the Capitol building, assaulted policemen and threatened the Congress people within.

At least wait until tomorrow to chant the leftist lie mantras.

I get it though, lying about the Reichstag Fire is really all you of the radical left have. You demand that a 3 hour protest absolves your party of decades of sustained violence.