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White Idaho Middle School Teacher told to take down sign that said "Everyone Is Welcome Here" (evidently due to the different color hands on the sign

Hamish Howl said:
I would argue that making kids feel welcome is conducive to education.
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It is IF there is some reason that they need that reassurance. By 6th grade, they usually don't unless her classroom is someone uniquely taken as unwelcoming.
 
maxparrish said:
It is IF there is some reason that they need that reassurance. By 6th grade, they usually don't unless her classroom is someone uniquely taken as unwelcoming.
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Dude, telling 6th graders that everyone is welcome in a sixth grade classroom is about the most basic decent thing that a human could tell them.

What the **** has happened to people in this country?
 
CaughtInThe said:
Are you speaking of the 6th graders?

The ones who feel welcome in their classrooms?
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No, the ones that feel it's a slight towards them, implying that they are guilty of being hostile. Those who might, especially when parents hear of it, generate the opposite of what if claims to accomplish.

So why introduce messages that aren't necessary? Everyone knows, certainty by sixth grade, that politeness is expected and normal behavior.
 
maxparrish said:
No, the ones that feel it's a slight towards them, implying that they are guilty of being hostile. Those who might, especially when parents hear of it, generate the opposite of what if claims to accomplish.

So why introduce messages that aren't necessary? Everyone knows, certainty by sixth grade, that politeness is expected and normal behavior.
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Telling all kids that all kids are welcome is not controversial.

Well, unless white supremacists are bitching about it. Or Fox News. Or MAGA. Then it's very controversial.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Dude, telling 6th graders that everyone is welcome in a sixth grade classroom is about the most basic decent thing that a human could tell them.

What the **** has happened to people in this country?
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My pont isn't that it is indecent. My point is that it can become educationally counterproductive.

No more than that.
 
maxparrish said:
My pont isn't that it is indecent. My point is that it can become educationally counterproductive.

No more than that.
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Yes, telling 6th graders that all sixth graders are welcome makes some not be able to do their homework.

I hate what this country is turning into. So should any decent person.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Yes, telling 6th graders that all sixth graders are welcome makes some not be able to do their homework.

I hate what this country is turning into. So should any decent person.
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As I said, regardless of what decent person should hate, I accept that conflict avoidance is important among the young AND their parents. Myself, I don't find the "kumbaya" tone to be more than micro annoying, and wouldn't complain about it. Clearly more than one parent did, and no doubt conveyed that to their own kids who were likely in that class.

As there is zero harm in keeping the peace I'd simply ask teachers not to post religious or social value instruction that may offend others. As if does no practical harm to the student and keeps the peace, its a compromise worth making.

I guess we have to agree to disagree.
 
maxparrish said:
I agree, post the commandments is provocative to some parents. Hence it too should not be posted.

My stance has nothing to do with whether I or not I support the values expressed, it has to do with my belief that schools need as little conflict as possible in order to educate. Just as some schools expect uniforms rather than competition in clothing (class conflict) so to I am not a supporter of minor's "free speech" claims.

When they are adults, they can do what they like. Till then, they are wards of society and their parents.
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I agree with your stance. I think public schools should be politically neutral. If you want to force kids to learn about Christianity or LGBT, that should only be allowed in private schools.
CaughtInThe said:
Making sixth graders feel welcome in their 6th grade classroom is not provocative.
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The provocative part is the rainbow colors hinting at LGBT pride and the obvious political intention of telling kids everyone is "equal," which is code for socialism. This would be like having a Confederate flag-colored sign that says "All lives matter" and claiming it is not political.
 
maxparrish said:
As I said, regardless of what decent person should hate, I accept that conflict avoidance is important among the young AND their parents. Myself, I don't find the "kumbaya" tone to be more than micro annoying, and wouldn't complain about it. Clearly more than one parent did, and no doubt conveyed that to their own kids who were likely in that class.

As there is zero harm in keeping the peace I'd simply ask teachers not to post religious or social value instruction that may offend others. As if does no practical harm to the student and keeps the peace, its a compromise worth making.

I guess we have to agree to disagree.
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Yes, when a 6th grade teacher puts up a sign that tells all the kids they're welcome and you agree with the people that don't want it then you and I are always going to disappear.
 
lolbert said:
I agree with your stance. I think public schools should be politically neutral. If you want to force kids to learn about Christianity or LGBT, that should only be allowed in private schools.

The provocative part is the rainbow colors hinting at LGBT pride and the obvious political intention of telling kids everyone is "equal," which is code for socialism. This would be like having a Confederate flag-colored sign that says "All lives matter" and claiming it is not political.
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No it's not. There are rainbow colors in all kind of homework in every middle school/ elementary school.

It's the different colored hands. White, brown and black.

But nice try.
 
CaughtInThe said:
No it's not. There are rainbow colors in all kind of homework in every middle school/ elementary school.
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I was homeschooled, so I was not aware of public schools using rainbows on homework, but my point still stands: the statement "everyone is equal" in combination with a rainbow flag can be seen as promoting LGBT "equality."
CaughtInThe said:
It's the different colored hands. White, brown and black.
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You forgot the color yellow for Asians. That's not an inclusive sign.
CaughtInThe said:
But nice try.
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Thank you for praising my work as a GOP operative. I would shake your hand, but I'm too busy tearing down LGBT classroom posters.
 
lolbert said:
I was homeschooled, so I was not aware of public schools using rainbows on homework
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You broke the code. Teachers forever using crayons and magic markers with different colors in elementary and middle school is what's turned all of the kids gay. 🤣🤣

Now, adults there don't want sixth graders to know that all six graders are welcome. It's ****ing disgusting. And it's about as anti-christian as it gets.
 
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