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You always claim you can prove your assertions. So I await the proof
why is that?
You always claim you can prove your assertions. So I await the proof
wasted some bandwidth trying to help out lame lefties? the most economically challenged people tend to be the most clueless. Ignorance and poverty have a strong alliance
I think the connection between ignorance and mindless rhetoric is much stronger actually.
I am sure some here can establish that. Being well educated I don't suffer from either. Poor people are most clearly likely to be ignorant.
HELLO GOAL POST;why are you their when you should be over yonder?:mrgreen:
certain posts in this thread appears to prove that to be false.
why don't you explain what you mean. are you denying poor people tend to be ignorant?
I am sure some here can establish that. Being well educated I don't suffer from either. Poor people are most clearly likely to be ignorant.
Being a deity, I am superior to all other posters.
See, I can make random claims to superiority too.
sure you can but I can back mine up. Feel free to try.
You offer nothing more in facts then your own greedy needy whining, you avoid needing to verify your rhetoric by never presenting any thing more then your boring repetious talking points, I was not the first and will not be the last to see what has been going on in this country, the transfer of wealth is not fictional it's a fact, the money never trickled down it defied gravity and when to the top, the protest at wall street means that people are catching on.
Your not safe you just think you are when the parasites stealing from the poor and middle class have stolen as much as they can they will come for what you value so much your precious dollars.
sure you can but I can back mine up. Feel free to try.
sure you can but I can back mine up. Feel free to try.
If I don't offer facts it shouldn't be any problem for you to refute them with facts but you have yet to do that instead preferring to believe the opinion of others and passing those opinions off as fact. There is indeed a transfer of wealth from the income producers of this country to the govt. so they can redistribute it as they see fit. I see no outrage over taking taxpayer money and forcing it to the govt. so it can be wasted and used to create the current 14.6 trillion dollar debt.
What you don't understand is that the economy of this country isn't finite, it continues to grow meaning that the pie continues to get bigger. Your claims that the rich are "stealing" from the poor is absolute class warfare and based upon nothing other than jealousy on your part as well as total lack of understanding of what equal opportunity means. Your idea of equal opportunity means govt. forcing equal outcome and that doesn't work anywhere in the world.
EarlzP;1059830052]I guess the loop holes created by lobbying the government did not contribute to the deficit, I guess the wars created by the rich so that they could continue to steal tax payer dollars do not contribute to the deficit, I guess that tax payer dollars given to US companies to help them relocate over seas do not contribute to the deficit, I guess the bail outs giving to Wall Street does not contribute to the deficit. I guess trickle down economics did not contribute to the deficit.
What I see growing is the deficit it's getting larger, what I see growing are the salaries and bonuses of CEO'S who should have at the very least been fired for their inability to run stock holder corporations, Your idea of equal opportunity starts and ends with you. The rich are stealing and have been stealing from the poor. The government "we the people" will eventually rein in those who have been involved in the eradication of the middle class and poor.
You can lobby until hell freezes over but it is the politicians that vote for that legislation and "your" President had total control for his first two years. Now you want to whine about what has happened since January of this year?
Like all liberals it is always about the wars but that "dog doesn't hunt" in that the the wars cost 1.4 trillion over the last ten years so deducting that from the total debt still has a debt over 13.2 trillion dollars.
Like all conservatives well lets say most I don't want to get into stero typing but you do have a way of cherry picking your facts, I am wrong again you just make up or maybe stretch the truth a little so when Ptresident Obama took office the national debt was at
almost 10 trillion dollars is that 10,000,000,000,000 ???? Holy conservative help us oh wait a minute you are too busy helping your selves to help us, oh pardon my reading conprehension it looks like the national debt might a been around 11 trillion before President George you know who Bush left office
Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt - - CBS News
With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency. It's the biggest increase under any president in U.S history. On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That's a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush's watch.
The bailout plan now pending in Congress could add hundreds of billions of dollars to the national debt – though President Bush said this morning he expects that over time, "much if not all" of the bailout money "will be paid back." But the government is taking no chances. Buried deep in the hundred pages of bailout legislation is a provision that would raise the statutory ceiling on the national debt to $11.315 trillion. It'll be the 7th time the debt limit has been raised during this administration. In fact it was just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion.
Taxpayer dollars given to companies to move overseas? If liberalism wasn't so opposed to private industry and offered pro business policies there would be no need to move overseas.
Pro business policies? that's what we need must a be a new invention some thing never though of during the President George you know who Bush years? My tax dollars being used for American companies to move overseas so that the rich stock holders can have a product being made in the USA for 10 dollars and being sold for 30 dollars made in China for 1 dollar and sold in America for 20 dollars.
You know before I retired I worked for a major chemical company about 5 years before I retired they sent a mechanical and chemical engineer to China to teach them how to produce the product we made, a year later they pulled all of management together to explain their new business stragedy which was to raise our product pricing to the highest cost per in the world market. They wanted us to believe that our competitors would follow our stragedy, you know I wondered if our CEO and company board members had actually lost their f-ing minds two years later we were out of business. This is the problem that I see in China the government subsidizes their businesses allowing them to undercut the pricing of foreign competition. Being in business and staying in business means beating your competitor in the market place, once a competitor has closed up shop the price per unit reflects the potential supply of that unit. Being competitive means supplying the best product available at the best price in the market for instance the american auto industry CEO's and board members forgot that they had to do more then stamp made in the USA on their vehicles they forgot they had to be dependable and they forgot they had to get good GPM but what the devil they could just blame the UAW for their inability to maintain market share.
It's you smart make that some of you smart a-- college grads that have no idea of how to maintain market share, any high school grad knows that you have to be competitive to stay in business.
Trickle down never causes debt, spending does and programs like the Great Society, New Deal created most of the debt we have today. Not sure where you get your information but it is misguide.
Come on college grad quit double talking did Obama cause this debt or was it the New Deal or Great society, let me ask you some thing what is the daily accumulated interest on 10 trillion dollars? Whoa golly gee look at that on a 10 trillion dollar debt the yearly interest is 451 billion are you reading that 451 billion so lets just say that President Obama has completed his third year the interest in the debt he inherited would be ----------------------- 1,353,000,000,000 trillion? so without spending a cent the debt went from 10 trillion to 11.3 trillion is that right?
National Debt Interest: U.S. Pays $1.2 Billion Daily
11/03 (LWN) Early last month, the U.S. national debt reached ten trillion dollars for the first time. With the help of ongoing industry bailouts and unrestrained military spending, it exceeded $10.56 trillion in the month since. Even more significant is the cost in interest on this debt to the government; according to treasurydirect.gov, the govt. will pay $25.3 billion dollars interest in November alone.
The total cost of interest on the U.S. national debt for 2008 will be approximately $451 billion - one of the largest federal expenditures. This is up from $429B in 2007 and $355B in 1997. The cost will likely become even larger in years to come, as the level of debt continues to increase. Meanwhile, presidential candidates from both major parties continue to promise tax cuts and increased spending on the military, space program, and mortgage bailouts.
Salaries and bonuses of CEO's doesn't create taxpayer debt and is a cost to the companies not the govt. Your concern again is misguided as these are private businesses that don't affect govt. spending. It is up to the companies to address their own expenses but it is up to the politicians to address our national debt but they are too interesting in buying votes.
The salaries and bonuses of CEO'S effect the price per unit taking money out of the hands of the majority of american consumers, when massive amounts of money are concentrated in the hands of a few market demand drops meaning that workers are laid off reducing revenues paid, please do not believe that it takes a doctrate in Economics to see what is going on, Do you have a degree in BSing, if so you have failed the course.
Where is your data to support the claim that the rich are stealing from the poor?
I do not need data common sense verifies my points our country is in a terrible economic mess and the ones that have benefited from it are those in the top 20% of wealth
You just don't get it as you have no concept of a growing economy which makes the pie size greater. Anyone has a chance to get a piece of that pie but with the attitude that you and others have will always make yourself out to be the victim instead of seeing this as an opportunity to grow. It really is sad to see this kind of attitude destroying the country.[/QUOTE
I would like to think that you just don't get it but you do and now in your greed all you can see is that their is still 7% of this countries wealth to be sucked up to the top, take your money and run with it because 2012 is coming quicker then you think
EarlzP;1059830547]Like all conservatives well lets say most I don't want to get into stero typing but you do have a way of cherry picking your facts, I am wrong again you just make up or maybe stretch the truth a little so when Ptresident Obama took office the national debt was at
almost 10 trillion dollars is that 10,000,000,000,000 ???? Holy conservative help us oh wait a minute you are too busy helping your selves to help us, oh pardon my reading conprehension it looks like the national debt might a been around 11 trillion before President George you know who Bush left office
Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt - - CBS News
Did you ever take a civics class? Congress appropriates the money and that Congress was controlled totally by Democrats in 2007-2011 which seems to have escaped you. Fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to Sept. and Bush debt was 10.6 trillion including two of those years with Democrats spending the money, 2007-2008. Today that debt is 14.6 trillion meaning that Obama has added 4 trillion in less than 3 years. Bush took office with a 5.7 trillion debt so his Administration is responsible for 4.9 trillion in 8 Years. Get it yet?
Pro business policies? that's what we need must a be a new invention some thing never though of during the President George you know who Bush years? My tax dollars being used for American companies to move overseas so that the rich stock holders can have a product being made in the USA for 10 dollars and being sold for 30 dollars made in China for 1 dollar and sold in America for 20 dollars.
Still waiting for you to prove your claim that your tax dollars were used to move companies overseas?
You know before I retired I worked for a major chemical company about 5 years before I retired they sent a mechanical and chemical engineer to China to teach them how to produce the product we made, a year later they pulled all of management together to explain their new business stragedy which was to raise our product pricing to the highest cost per in the world market. They wanted us to believe that our competitors would follow our stragedy, you know I wondered if our CEO and company board members had actually lost their f-ing minds two years later we were out of business. This is the problem that I see in China the government subsidizes their businesses allowing them to undercut the pricing of foreign competition. Being in business and staying in business means beating your competitor in the market place, once a competitor has closed up shop the price per unit reflects the potential supply of that unit. Being competitive means supplying the best product available at the best price in the market for instance the american auto industry CEO's and board members forgot that they had to do more then stamp made in the USA on their vehicles they forgot they had to be dependable and they forgot they had to get good GPM but what the devil they could just blame the UAW for their inability to maintain market share.
You worked in the private sector? How did tax dollars benefit your company? You don't seem to understand the difference between the private sector and the public sector.
It's you smart make that some of you smart a-- college grads that have no idea of how to maintain market share, any high school grad knows that you have to be competitive to stay in business.
There you go again speculating on something you know nothing about. I retired 7 years ago so try not to speculate too much as you aren't good at it.
Come on college grad quit double talking did Obama cause this debt or was it the New Deal or Great society, let me ask you some thing what is the daily accumulated interest on 10 trillion dollars? Whoa golly gee look at that on a 10 trillion dollar debt the yearly interest is 451 billion are you reading that 451 billion so lets just say that President Obama has completed his third year the interest in the debt he inherited would be ----------------------- 1,353,000,000,000 trillion? so without spending a cent the debt went from 10 trillion to 11.3 trillion is that right?
Again, you have a tendency to pass off your opinions as fact. Interest on the debt is tied to the record low interest rates we have today so here is what the Treasury Dept. shows as interest over the past 4 years. So stop making a fool of yourself and get the facts
Net Interest 196.9 190.9 252.8 237.9
The salaries and bonuses of CEO'S effect the price per unit taking money out of the hands of the majority of american consumers, when massive amounts of money are concentrated in the hands of a few market demand drops meaning that workers are laid off reducing revenues paid, please do not believe that it takes a doctrate in Economics to see what is going on, Do you have a degree in BSing, if so you have failed the course.
Yes, salaries and bonuses affect company profits not taxpayer expenses. Don't buy from companies that you don't think give you value for your dollars. You are so right though companies want to overcharge for their products so that they can lose business and eventually go out of business. That must be that street smarts you are talking about?
I do not need data common sense verifies my points our country is in a terrible economic mess and the ones that have benefited from it are those in the top 20% of wealth
Still waiting for you to prove that those evil rich people made the poor and middle class poorer? our country is in a terrible economic mess due to the ignorance and class envy by far too many who believe in the entitlement mentality.
I would like to think that you just don't get it but you do and now in your greed all you can see is that their is still 7% of this countries wealth to be sucked up to the top, take your money and run with it because 2012 is coming quicker then you think
You are right, I just don't get it. I should be like many in this country expecting the govt. sending me taxpayer dollars so I don't have to take personal responsibility for my own choices. For some reason you seem to believe that I should be taking care of you. Where did you get that idea?
I guess the loop holes created by lobbying the government did not contribute to the deficit, I guess the wars created by the rich so that they could continue to steal tax payer dollars do not contribute to the deficit, I guess that tax payer dollars given to US companies to help them relocate over seas do not contribute to the deficit, I guess the bail outs giving to Wall Street does not contribute to the deficit. I guess trickle down economics did not contribute to the deficit.
What I see growing is the deficit it's getting larger, what I see growing are the salaries and bonuses of CEO'S who should have at the very least been fired for their inability to run stock holder corporations, Your idea of equal opportunity starts and ends with you. The rich are stealing and have been stealing from the poor. The government "we the people" will eventually rein in those who have been involved in the eradication of the middle class and poor.
No matter how often you say it, Con, Obama didn't add $4 Trillion to the debt. Please stop lying!!Did you ever take a civics class? Congress appropriates the money and that Congress was controlled totally by Democrats in 2007-2011 which seems to have escaped you. Fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to Sept. and Bush debt was 10.6 trillion including two of those years with Democrats spending the money, 2007-2008. Today that debt is 14.6 trillion meaning that Obama has added 4 trillion in less than 3 years. Bush took office with a 5.7 trillion debt so his Administration is responsible for 4.9 trillion in 8 Years. Get it yet?
you have failed to back up your claim that your racist quote was "popular".
care to try to back it up?
No matter how often you say it, Con, Obama didn't add $4 Trillion to the debt. Please stop lying!!
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