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White House Officials meeting with lobbyists about vaccine mandates

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Kinda hard to work when you're sick 🤷‍♂️

Seems like getting the vaccine would help reduce the labor shortage.

Edit: Not just the rona vaccine. Get the flu ones etc.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Kinda hard to work when you're sick 🤷‍♂️

Seems like getting the vaccine would help reduce the labor shortage.

Edit: Not just the rona vaccine. Get the flu ones etc.
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Hard for the vaccinated to work when sick too.
 
I'm just surprised that the pharma lobbyists even allow the white house to meet with business lobbyists.

Of course this may be an orchestrated story to give cover for such a long delay of an "emergency" temporary standard.
 
I don't see how Biden goes through with the planned deadline for his mandate, unless he's aiming for a recession.
 
Get the shot or stay home.
 
get vaccinated for your families.
 
mrjurrs said:
What better way to post what we may be in for than posting data from the same period last year?
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Is that based on the assumption that vaccination (and those with natural immunity) rates have remained the same?
 
seymourflops said:
www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Business groups ask White House to delay Biden Covid vaccine mandate until after the holidays

White House officials at the OMB are meeting with industry lobbyists this week as the administration conducts its final review of the mandate.
www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

They are pleading with the WH to wait until after the holidays to do something that will worsen the labor shortage.
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1. The WH doesn't give a rat's ass about the business community. (Only about specific companies that give them a lot of money.)

2. It doesn't matter anyway. Biden's puppet masters have no intention of having OSHA make any mandate ruling. They know that, as soon as they do, it'll be tied up in court and they'll lose. It's all about the threat.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Is that based on the assumption that vaccination (and those with natural immunity) rates have remained the same?
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No, it's based on environmental factors that may be in play. Additionally, delta wasn't here last year so we don't have an apples to apples comparison. Numbers went up in fall and continued through the new year. The outcome may look similar, with lower levels due to increased vaccinations.
 
mrjurrs said:
That may not be a great idea.
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Interesting graphic - "slightly" dated though, eh wot?

What's wrong with using data that is "slightly" more current than 10 months old?

21-10-26 C1 - 7 Day Average of Averages GRAPH.webp
21-10-26 B2a - Trump Daily Deaths GRAPH.webp
21-10-26 B2b - Biden Daily Deaths GRAPH.webp​

Is it because admitting that COVID-19 cases and deaths have a trend line that shows a DECREASE since Mr. Biden took office and they showed an INCREASE whilst Mr. Trump was in the White House and to admit that would be contrary to the line that you have been instructed to peddle?
 
mrjurrs said:
What better way to post what we may be in for than posting data from the same period last year?
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Well, how about this one then

DEATHS OVER TIME.webp​

After all it, too, tracks deaths over time and it has just as much relevance as the one that you posted.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Interesting graphic - "slightly" dated though, eh wot?

What's wrong with using data that is "slightly" more current than 10 months old?


Is it because admitting that COVID-19 cases and deaths have a trend line that shows a DECREASE since Mr. Biden took office and they showed an INCREASE whilst Mr. Trump was in the White House and to admit that would be contrary to the line that you have been instructed to peddle?
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No the point is that all covid metrics increased in the fall and winter of last year. My point is that it would be foolish to expect a different outcome this year. What day do you start attributing deaths to President Biden? Did you start the afternoon he took office? Or did you wait until the next day?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Well, how about this one then


After all it, too, tracks deaths over time and it has just as much relevance as the one that you posted.
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Why don't you post something in reference to the covid metrics of last fall and winter and then show how the trend is different this year...
 
mrjurrs said:
No the point is that all covid metrics increased in the fall and winter of last year. My point is that it would be foolish to expect a different outcome this year. What day do you start attributing deaths to President Biden? Did you start the afternoon he took office? Or did you wait until the next day?
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Nope, the day the vaccine became widely available the blame shifted to the COVIDIOTS who refuse to get vaccinated...
 
mrjurrs said:
No the point is that all covid metrics increased in the fall and winter of last year. My point is that it would be foolish to expect a different outcome this year. What day do you start attributing deaths to President Biden? Did you start the afternoon he took office? Or did you wait until the next day?
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I don't "attribute deaths to" anyone. I do record who was in what office on what date.

Mr. Trump and "Claque Failed Casino Operator" had almost ten months in which to conduct their campaign to convince people that COVID-19 was an almost inconsequential happening and that they should resist any efforts by any government to combat COVID-19. The effects of that campaign lingered on after Mr. Biden was sworn into office.

Pandemic diseases have cyclic patterns and the infections/deaths come in "waves". The only difference is how effective a leadership is in inducing its people to comply with the necessary measures which will ameliorate the effects of the "waves". In fact, COVID-19 appears to be following the expected pattern for pandemic diseases and the US appears to be coming out of the second "wave" (which, historically, has generally been less severe than the first "wave").

Had the US been more vigorous in carrying out ameliorative measures against COVID-19, the odds are that the PATTERN of deaths would be very similar to the PATTERN of deaths that actually occurred - however the MAGNITUDES of the deaths in the "waves" would very probably been lower.

So, I don't "blame Trump for COVID" - after all, he is NOT (unlike the way his followers treat him) God so he didn't "create" the virus that causes COVID-19.

However, I do "blame Trump" for "ineffectual and counter productive actions and abandonment of leadership" in fighting COVID-19.

But, then again, that distinction requires the actual use of informed critical analysis of facts and "You onlewanna blame Trump cuz yu hate him." is so much simpler - isn't it?
 
mrjurrs said:
Why don't you post something in reference to the covid metrics of last fall and winter and then show how the trend is different this year...
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You mean aside from

21-10-26 B2a - Trump Daily Deaths GRAPH.webp
21-10-26 B2b - Biden Daily Deaths GRAPH.webp​

that I have supplied you with on several occasions previously?

There are days when I wonder how much effort some people put into pretending to be as ignorant, uninformed, and un-analyticalally brain-dead as they let their Internet persona portray them to be - and why they bother.

PS - You do realize that some people have an attention span that extends PAST the time they hit the "Submit Post" icon and that that means that they do not suffer, as you appear to, from the "Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . ." syndrome.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I don't "attribute deaths to" anyone. I do record who was in what office on what date.

Mr. Trump and "Claque Failed Casino Operator" had almost ten months in which to conduct their campaign to convince people that COVID-19 was an almost inconsequential happening and that they should resist any efforts by any government to combat COVID-19. The effects of that campaign lingered on after Mr. Biden was sworn into office.

Pandemic diseases have cyclic patterns and the infections/deaths come in "waves". The only difference is how effective a leadership is in inducing its people to comply with the necessary measures which will ameliorate the effects of the "waves". In fact, COVID-19 appears to be following the expected pattern for pandemic diseases and the US appears to be coming out of the second "wave" (which, historically, has generally been less severe than the first "wave").

Had the US been more vigorous in carrying out ameliorative measures against COVID-19, the odds are that the PATTERN of deaths would be very similar to the PATTERN of deaths that actually occurred - however the MAGNITUDES of the deaths in the "waves" would very probably been lower.

So, I don't "blame Trump for COVID" - after all, he is NOT (unlike the way his followers treat him) God so he didn't "create" the virus that causes COVID-19.

However, I do "blame Trump" for "ineffectual and counter productive actions and abandonment of leadership" in fighting COVID-19.

But, then again, that distinction requires the actual use of informed critical analysis of facts and "You onlewanna blame Trump cuz yu hate him." is so much simpler - isn't it?
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So again, how is pointing out the trend of covid from October to December 2020 to October to December 2021 not 'critical' analysis. Because Nov/Dec haven't happened?

The waves are not random, the waves come from recognizable patterns. People travelling, people staying indoors more often. Imo, if you look at the US figures, I'd suggest that we are coming out of our fourth wave (initial NYC wave, 2nd summer wave, third fall/winter 2020 wave, 2021 summer wave).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
You mean aside from


that I have supplied you with on several occasions previously?

There are days when I wonder how much effort some people put into pretending to be as ignorant, uninformed, and un-analyticalally brain-dead as they let their Internet persona portray them to be - and why they bother.

PS - You do realize that some people have an attention span that extends PAST the time they hit the "Submit Post" icon and that that means that they do not suffer, as you appear to, from the "Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . . Oh look - a castle! . . ." syndrome.
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On what are you basing the idea that deaths won't increase this fall/winter? Seems to me the pattern is set, and while the crest will be lower I see no reason to believe another wave isn't coming.
 
mrjurrs said:
So again, how is pointing out the trend of covid from October to December 2020 to October to December 2021 not 'critical' analysis. Because Nov/Dec haven't happened?

The waves are not random, the waves come from recognizable patterns. People travelling, people staying indoors more often. Imo, if you look at the US figures, I'd suggest that we are coming out of our fourth wave (initial NYC wave, 2nd summer wave, third fall/winter 2020 wave, 2021 summer wave).
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"So again, how is pointing out the trend of covid from October to December 2020 to October to December 2021 not 'critical' analysis."

Well, possibly because you are "pointing out" stuff that hasn't happened yet, and possibly because you are pointing out that "going up" means the same thing as "going down".

You can "suggest" anything you want to "suggest" but until you actually produce some actual evidence backed up by some actually sound intellectual reasoning, then I'm afraid that all you are is a "Trumpapologist" who is attempting to blame everyone else in the known universe - EXCEPT for Donald John Trump {BBHN} - for COVID-19.
 
mrjurrs said:
On what are you basing the idea that deaths won't increase this fall/winter? Seems to me the pattern is set, and while the crest will be lower I see no reason to believe another wave isn't coming.
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"On what are you basing the idea that deaths won't increase this fall/winter?"

And exactly where did you see me say that? Oh, I know, "The Voices" told you that I had said that.

"Seems to me the pattern is set, and while the crest will be lower I see no reason to believe another wave isn't coming."

That's fair enough - if you are into the "prediction game". I'm not.

I will "project" the data, but I make it quite clear that that projection is based on the conditions and trends remaining unchanged.

PS - I agree with you that there is likely to be an increase in cases and deaths over the winter season. Not only that, but if you are going to say "and that increase will be more concentrated in areas with some combination of two or more of:

[1] poor vaccination rates,​
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[2] poor masking policy compliance,​
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[3] poor social distancing policy compliance,​
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[4] high resistance to compliance with simple, cheap, and safe methods that have proven to ameliorate the spread of disease,​
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[5] a lower than national average educational level,​
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and​
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[6] a higher than average level of support for the Republican Party​

then I will agree with that statement in advance.
 
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