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White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorization

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Merely we've signed agreements, of our own free will, to act with them on UN missions.

LOL!

you don't know what you're talking about
 
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The reason why the U.S. is inclined to aid the rebels is to assert a moral duty to do so.

are you following syria?

of course, hillary says assad is a reformer

Clinton calls Syrian tyrant a reformer

what's going on in yemen and bahrain?

why is libya vital to american security when syria across the jordan and yemen on the gulf aren't?
 
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so congressional approval is not necessary because the violence we wage is "limited?"

yes, sir, mr commander in chief

days not weeks, anyone?

nation building?

remember the powell doctrine
 
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A modern democracy is not compatible with Islam and their way of thinking, so I have zero expectations that any revolution will result in even a Western neutral democracy.

Also, certain cultures are not compatible with democratic forms of government. When they appear to have them, it is merely a sham. They only operate with a strong man in charge.


I'm guessing, you don't like people directing your life and telling you to do something else, "because it's for your own good", when you very clearly have a different idea about what is for your own good.

Exercising your rights responsibly and not interfering with someone else's free exercise of their rights, then you should be left the **** alone.

In essence, that is the heart of our republic. Freedom. Not absolute freedom, but freedom minimally restricted by laws to protect the rights of all, not just the strong.

If that is our belief for us, why shouldn't we apply it to our relations with other nations as well?

And last...I really don't give a **** how many of his own people Gadaffi kills as long as he doesn't kill Americans .

He's not.

Yes, he is
Libya is in Northern Africa.

Technically, yes....but, the key word here is... Muslim

When push comes to shove, the majority of the time Muslims will side with a fellow Muslims
 
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that's the point. Congress has the power of the purse - if they really believed this crap they could stop anything they wanted.


with the exception of the Marine Corps. Because there is nothing that could stop the Marine Corps
 
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There is no illegal wiretapping in that. Warrantless wiretapping ended a long time ago.

Yeah, you keep buying that one....lol


j-mac
 
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For those with short memories:


Congressionally authorized. Check.
 
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Yeah, you keep buying that one....lol


j-mac

I do when the FBI director and the acting attorney general tendered their resignations because of the program, and then agreed to stay when it was stopped.
 
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I do when the FBI director and the acting attorney general tendered their resignations because of the program, and then agreed to stay when it was stopped.

Like I said, you must be a real fan of Kabooki theater (sp)

j-mac
 
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Like I said, you must be a real fan of Kabooki theater (sp)

j-mac

You must be a real fan of Jesse Ventura.
 
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First off, I started this thread, and as such, my original post defined the "issues at hand" in this thread so don’t respond to the original post and tell me to stick to the "issues at hand" because it makes you look silly.

Let’s start with the fact that as a sitting US Senator and Presidential candidate, Obama clearly stated that the President of the US does not have the Constitutional authority to use force without authorization from Congress unless there is a situation that involves stopping an imminent threat or the US is attacked.

EXHIBIT ‘A’:

Senator and Presidential candidate Obama’s written response to the Boston Globe:

If you read the above quote and come to any conclusion other than the fact that Candidate Obama was expressing his opinion that the President is required by the Constitution to obtain Congressional approval for strategic bombings where no imminent threat exists and no attack on the US have occurred, we are done talking because these are WRITTEN responses to the Boston Globe and Obama was a Constitutional Professor at Harvard, so it isn’t like he got cut off in his answer or forgot to include something relevant.



Now to the current Libya conflict. Political hacks might try to find a way to claim Libya was an imminent threat to the US but Obama himself hasn’t even tried to make that argument. In fact, he did the exact opposite. He tried to justify his use of force by claiming that if it is in the United States’ interests, he can and will unilaterally authorize the use of force as he did in Libya.

In attempting to explain and justify this war with Libya and in utter and complete contrast to his written comments to the Boston Globe, Obama repeatedly references the United Nations Security Council’s Authorization for the use of force and never once mentions his Constitutional authority to wage war without Congress’s consent. Even the most jello brained koolaid drinking liberals can see that this is an obvious flip-flop from what he promised as Presidential Candidate Obama.

Don’t take my word for it though. View his words and his Press Secretary’s words for yourself. I have even provided you with relevant timeframes and typed the quotes from those timeframes.

EXHIBIT ‘B’:
March 18, 2011, Obama speech on Libya

EXHIBIT ‘C’

March 28, 2011, Obama speech on Libya

EXHIBIT ‘D’
May 20, 2011 – White House Press Briefing

In summary, the above quotes and videos make it very clear to anyone with an IQ above 25 that Obama (and many others in the Democratic Party) held a completely different view on the Presidential power to use military force without Congressional authorization when Bush was in office.

It also makes clear that Obama NOW thinks that UN authorization is more important than Congressional authorization because he throws out his UN Mandate at every opportunity (at least a half dozen times in every speech on Libya) and only says that he would welcome an expression of support from Congress when challenged on the Constitutionality of his actions and the expired 60 day requirement for Congressional approval.

So in spite of your assertion that this has nothing to do with the President setting a precedent by ignoring the War Powers Act while claiming he got authorization from the United Nations for his war, this is exactly what he is doing. He can claim that he is in compliance with the War Powers Act until he is blue in the face but he can’t hide from his own words about the Constitutionality of the actions he has taken as President.
 
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Funny how that wasn't good enough for you Chappy, when Bush was in.....tsk, tsk, tsk....

Example? 123…
 
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Bush had the consent of congress prior to committin troops. What Obama did was worse.
 
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How laughable. What an insult to our intelligence.

Perhaps you are such a tool of the left that you unconditionally believe the tripe they try to pass off as fact without bothering to educate yourself? Only a jackass political homer hack who roots for his/her team till the end, come hell or high waters, as if it were a baseball, football etc. game would read this Senate resolution and interpret it as Congressional authorization for the use of military force. Even then, most sports fan homers have more common sense than this.

I would ask if you have even read the resolution but the mere fact that you claim this is a Congressional authorization for war based upon the article you posted makes clear that you have no respect for the rule of law and are a political “homer” who is incapable of independent thought or you are a political hack who is more interested in getting a “team win” than being real and honest about what is really going on.


For those of you who aren’t political homers/hacks, The first obvious failure with this lame attempt to pretend that Obama sought and received Congressional authorization for this war with Libya is that “Congress” consists of more than just the Senate. Congressional authorization/consultation for war requires passage by both houses of Congress.


Rather than a link to a political hack article, I will provide you a link to the resolution that was referenced. As you will see once you read this resolution, congress was simply condemning violent attacks on protesters. Even the left wing political hack news pundits like the article’s author admit that it was a non-binding resolution and carried no force of law. Only political hacks/homers like Chappy consider this a relevant Senate resolution when considering the War Powers Act or the Constitution of the US so it is a feeble attempt at tricking those of us who care about the law into wrongly thinking that the law has been followed.

I have nothing but virulent disdain for people like Chappy because they make America weak and try to poison people’s minds with untruths like this.

Here is the Senate Resolution. You be the judge.:

SENATE RESOLUTION 85--STRONGLY CONDEMNING THE GROSS AND SYSTEMATIC VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN LIBYA, INCLUDING VIOLENT ATTACKS ON PROTESTERS DEMANDING DEMOCRATIC REFORMS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES -- (Senate - March 01, 2011)

(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory;


Don't take my word for it, read the whole thing.
 
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Example? 123…

So you have no desire to be honest or consistent? Rather than respond intelligently you fall back on lazy, homer, troll like tactics and even need to type in “123” because your response was too short?

Get off my thread or bring something worth debating!!!!
 
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Everyone in this thread is ignoring the NATO treaty. Look up what the treaty says. It's possible that the NATO treaty makes congressional approval irrelevant
 
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The United States is not the UN's bitch. The United States has no benefit from taking the side of al qeada against Ghadaffy in Libya. That's it. Period.

Any American wishing to choose and fight for either side can buy an airplane ticket and go to Libya as private citizens. End of story.
 
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The United States is not the UN's bitch. The United States has no benefit from taking the side of al qeada against Ghadaffy in Libya. That's it. Period.

Where do you get your information?
 
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The reason why the U.S. is inclined to aid the rebels is to assert a moral duty to do so.

No such obligation exists. There are, always, revolutions and rebellions against despots the world over. The United States never has been, and never will be, morally obligated to choose sides and participate. Almost everytime the US has chosen to get involved it's meant death and dismemberment for US citizens and precious little to show in return. The Mayor points to Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, and Iraq as perfect examples of why the United States should let other people fight their own battles.

Given that the so-called "rebels" in Libya have al qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood as sponsors and participants and the United States has no side it wants to take in that squabble. Let the terrorists murder each other, and be done with them.

If we have our own political system based on a democracy with the consent of the governed then we should support those who work for the same for themselves.

We can cheer. Spending money and blood is a different matter. Especially when neither side is especially friendly to the US in the first place.


The French were supporting the US for one purpose, to divest their enemy, England, from it's most valuable colony. The French had no interest in the United States per se, and the US was having an undeclared war against the French within twenty years.
 
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The news. Where do you hide from information?

Which news station?

Clarification: Rush =/= news. I listen to the news pretty much 24/7
 
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