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Heya FMW. :2wave: What about the Kurds?
The slow, quiet withdrawal begins. That sure didn't take long. Obama is an open book on international affairs, and is played like the chump he is.
I wish them the best of luck. Personally I wouldn't waste another life or another dollar on the middle east (Israel excpted.) It is a rat hole and I'm content to allow it to destroy itself.
Morning NMC
Posted this yesterday
Syria will bog the Russians and Syrians down. Assad's ethic grouping is small. Families are hiding their son from enlistment in the Army. Syrian Army overstretched and worn out after so many years.
Approx 75 % of Syria is Sunni. Then the Kurds have their safe areas, the Saudi and Turks want Assad out.
Addition- The Policy in Syria has failed, no going back and crying about it - Turkey - Saudi- Qatar- and the US all pulling in different directions. Qatar trying to play the middle by supporting all political stripes of Rebels - Turkey - in a pout that their main policy lead, removing Assad was not going to happen, in particular with ISIL on the move.
Then we have the Mullah the runs Turkey, corrupt as hell, starts a war with Kurds. Just when a peace deal was within sight. Why - Needs an enemy for the upcoming elections.
Let the Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah spill their blood.
The Russians do want to expand their leverage. and have an utter disregard for causalities inflicted.He definitely is an open book HB. Not just to Putin.....but to the Iranians too.
Russia seeks victory over the West in Syria campaign: analysts.....
Cruise missiles fired from warships, the latest jets pounding far-off targets: Russian President Vladimir Putin's show of strength in Syria looks aimed at proving that a resurgent Moscow can rival the West, analysts said.
But quashing the Islamic State and other extremist groups, the stated objective of Russia’s campaign, is partly a broader attempt to compete with -- and even intimidate -- the West, analysts said. "Rather than being primarily about Syria, or primarily about ISIS, this dispute is about a global principle," Matthew Rojansky, the director of the Washington-based Kennan Institute, told AFP.
"The dispute has gone beyond the level of diplomatic manoeuvering and economic pressure. It has now gotten to the point of using military assets to make a point." .....snip~
Russia seeks victory over the West in Syria campaign: analysts - Yahoo News
The Russians do want to expand their leverage. and have an utter disregard for causalities inflicted.
With Syria heavily Sunni, how hard is it for Saudi and Turkey to arm rebels?? opinion asked for please. This would be after ISIl and other rebels are decimated to no longer a threat level, the causalities for the Syrian Army, Iraqi Army and Russians, if they engage if combat, will be heavy. Let them bleed themselves white, let the body bags arrive at home. Russian do remember the lies they were fed on how well it was going in AStan.
The west can turn the area into a sinkhole for them. Arms flow thru Turkey and Jordan. Their will be more than enough Sunni Syrians looking for blood vengeance.
It wont be hard for Qatar the Saud and Muslim Brotherhood to arm the Sunni in Syria. But who will be left to fight for the Sunni. Besides AQ? Moreover once Iran and Syria cement the Coalition of Shia and run their pipeline thru Iraq all the way to Club Med. They will control all of Club Meds East Where the Sunni have very little assets.
Taking ISIL our will be at least 1 year or 3.
Plenty of time to verify Syrian refugees who want to fight.
Sunni are the majority and blood vengeance, which many in the west do not understand, runs wide and deep in Arab cultures.
This conflict will runs for at a min a decade or longer.
The issue is, if another opportunity arises, have all on the same ffn page.
5 -10K well armed Rebels can turn Syria, with Russia and Iranians into a real **** show.
Does it really matter at the end of this if Syria becomes a somewhat hard Sunni state - same as Saudi? - opinion please.
And then no pipeline from Iraq-Iran to Syria
The Stans can send gas thru Azerbaijan - Turkey, cutting the Russian middle man out which I understand they are doing or in the process of.
They would receive plenty of support from Saudi, Turkey and Egypt.
Puts Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah on the sidelines.
In addition, administration officials and Middle East experts on both sides of the debate tell us, Obama's foreign-policy team no longer doubts that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to prop up President Bashar al-Assad and primarily target opposition groups other than the Islamic State, including those trained by the Central Intelligence Agency.
Wait. They no longer doubt that? Did they ever doubt that?
The administration came to this conclusion late. Despite warnings from U.S. intelligence agencies that Putin's military buildup was intended to keep Assad in power, the White House nonetheless decided to explore cooperating with Russia on the ground. Throughout the summer and into the fall, top Russian officials -- including Putin himself in a meeting last month with Obama at the U.N. -- said they were not committed to keeping Assad in power for the long term, and would only target Islamic State fighters in their military offensive, according to U.S. officials.
These officials no longer believe Russia was telling the truth. Reuters reported this week that Putin was planning his Syria intervention for months with Iranian officials, while misleading the West
For the love of...
....how naïve are these people???
He definitely is an open book HB. Not just to Putin.....but to the Iranians too.
Russia seeks victory over the West in Syria campaign: analysts.....
Cruise missiles fired from warships, the latest jets pounding far-off targets: Russian President Vladimir Putin's show of strength in Syria looks aimed at proving that a resurgent Moscow can rival the West, analysts said.
But quashing the Islamic State and other extremist groups, the stated objective of Russia’s campaign, is partly a broader attempt to compete with -- and even intimidate -- the West, analysts said. "Rather than being primarily about Syria, or primarily about ISIS, this dispute is about a global principle," Matthew Rojansky, the director of the Washington-based Kennan Institute, told AFP.
"The dispute has gone beyond the level of diplomatic manoeuvering and economic pressure. It has now gotten to the point of using military assets to make a point." .....snip~
Russia seeks victory over the West in Syria campaign: analysts - Yahoo News
There's no doubt about that. Russia wants to control the eastern Med, secure their warm water port, and pressure the eastern flank of NATO. Turkey is the next target. Don't look for any change from Obama. It ain't happening. He'll fold like a card table. He doesn't like NATO. They're Europeans - you know - the white imperialists.
No, it would not take that long.
I'm operating on the assumption that the Luddites in the Republican party will be silenced. It would take a quarter of that time tops.To develop the technology, make it as reliable as oil-based technology, turn it into affordable products that are just as good as what we have, and CONVERT every building and machine in the US to this new technology?
It's going to take a lifetime.
I'm operating on the assumption that the Luddites in the Republican party will be silenced. It would take a quarter of that time tops.
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