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Thank you for explaining your position. Nevertheless, with your explanation, which I for the most part agree with, Iraq still remains a preventive war because Iraq posed no imminent threat to the United States (i.e. it was not posturing to attack us). It was a preventive war because we went in in order to prevent them from getting enough weapons to attack and getting in the position to attack the United States or others.
So you have changed your mind about the War Powers Resolution requiring an imminent threat now that you know the WPR applies to Iraq?There was no need for an "imminent threat" provision because the Gulf War had never officially ended.
There was no need for an "imminent threat" provision because the Gulf War had never officially ended. The queation of imminent threat would only apply, in recent times, to Libya. At least that's the leg BHO must supposedly stand on.
I have posted the irrefutable evidence to you and others on several occasions.
Some of the intelligence was crappy and wrong. It’s the stuff they got right and the WMD programs missed by UN inspectors that’s a bit more difficult to explain away.
UNSCOM, UNMOVIC and the ISG reports are irrefutable and provide overwhelming evidence.
So far not a single one of you hoaxers have even tried to explain what was found in Iraq. You just ignore it.
Kofi was not the President of the US. It doesn't matter what his opinion is.
His weapons inspectors proved Saddam was in violation of numerous resolutions.
The "illegal war" nonsense was a hoax. We don't need UN approval to do anything. Get over it.
I like the unlikely source of the proof of WMD: Wikileaks documents show WMDs found in Iraq « Hot Air
I quoted it as well and others besides.
You say that the words in the reports mean things that they don't.
Kind of like when you had trouble discerning how saying that there were programs to develop certain missiles was not contradicting the assertion that those missiles didn't actually exist.
So you have changed your mind about the War Powers Resolution requiring an imminent threat now that you know the WPR applies to Iraq?
Also, I don't think that we declared war in re Desert Storm. Further, iirc, regime change was not mentioned in the UNSC resolutions in Iraq pre-OIF.
There was no 'imminent threat' in WWI either but the US Government approved the war anyway, just as they did with Iraq.
False. The Zimmerman Telegram and unrestricted submarine warfare were huge reasons for our entry into WWI. Both were direct and credible threats to the United States and its citizens.
There was no sign that the Germans would be attacking the mainland USA. In fact the same thing might be said about WWII. How 'imminent' is imminent?
And the point being that even if OIF was a part of Desert Storm as you claim, Desert Storm was never authorized to engage in regime change. So, even if one allows that what you are saying were factually true, it still wouldn't wash because the authorization for Deseret Storm (from congress and the UNSC) didn't allow for the regime change we did in OIF.Desert Storm was approved by the US Government and those regulations remained in force.
As I pointed out, Congress authorized it under the War Powers ResolutionNonetheless they received further approval from Congress anyway.
Whoah! Whoah! Whoah! Hold on there. Clinton did it. That changes everything. You havemade an excellent and irrefutable point. Every thing that Clinton did is by definition beyond reproach.[/sarcasm] :roll:President Clinton had bombed Iraq also during his administration without and 'imminent threat' claims.
And then some. It is not exclusively limited to w/e you think "when the President chooses to act on his own" means.The use of 'imminent threat' is when the President chooses to act on his own.
And the point being what?There was no sign that the Germans would be attacking the mainland USA.
This is actually a great question.How 'imminent' is imminent?
there are homeless starving people in THIS country we need to help first imo.The Iraqi people and those of other countries. The Iraqi people have demonstrated in the past they can live in peace with their neighbors. They are worth the effort and sacrifice.
The liberation of the Iraqi people wasn’t the primary stated mission in Iraq. It was to remove Saddam first so that Iraqi’s may join the free and peaceful nations once again.
There are many crap holes in the world where the people simply are not worth the effort. Nothing will change.
Please explain what any of this has to do with whether or not the Iraq War was a preventive war?
It wasn't. It's a figment of your imagination.
You found something you think is illegal and then you say that's what the Iraq war was.
Party on!
Umm...no. Iraq was a preventive war regardless of whether or not it was illegal. You can say that it's legal and it doesn't even matter - because as a "legal" war under international law, it was still a preventive war. There is no evidence that Iraq was an imminent threat since it didn't even have anything to imminently threaten us = preventive war, legal or not.
It's been posted here before Candice but thanks for posting it again.
The "Bush Lied" hoaxers don't care what we found in Iraq.
The father of the hoax admitted he made it up and they still don't care.
Most of them never even knew that Joe Wilson made the whole thing up.
Birthers have more proof than the "Bush Lied" hoaxers.
Welcome to DP.
False. The Zimmerman Telegram and unrestricted submarine warfare were huge reasons for our entry into WWI. Both were direct and credible threats to the United States and its citizens.
Never mind that Saddam was working with a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda whose mission was to kill Americans anywhere in the world.
Pay no attention to the lefty behind the curtain......he means nothing!
Party on!
there are homeless starving people in THIS country we need to help first imo.
Never mind that Saddam was working with a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda whose mission was to kill Americans anywhere in the world.
Pay no attention to the lefty behind the curtain......he means nothing!
Party on!
You can say that it's legal and it doesn't even matter
Of course it doesn't matter. Our constitution is obviously second place to the UN. Kofi said so!
Party on!
Umm...no. Iraq was a preventive war regardless of whether or not it was illegal. You can say that it's legal and it doesn't even matter - because as a "legal" war under international law, it was still a preventive war. There is no evidence that Iraq was an imminent threat since it didn't even have anything to imminently threaten us = preventive war, legal or not.
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