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White House Changes Stimulus Jobs Count

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More lies to deceive the public. This shows Obama's job numbers have been lies all along.


White House Changes Stimulus Jobs Count - ProPublica


When the White House unveiled its nearly $800 billion stimulus package last year, it promised not only to create and save 3.5 million jobs but also to open the books and prove it. But counting jobs turned out to be a lot harder than lining up a work crew and tapping hardhats.

Now, the White House says it will no longer keep a cumulative tally of jobs created and saved by the stimulus. Instead, it will post only a count of jobs for each quarter.

And instead of counting only created and saved jobs, it will count any person who works on a project funded with stimulus money—even if that person was never in danger of losing his or her job.
 
The article doesn't know what to be. First it condemns the Obama Administration for changing the rules and then it mentions keeping track of job saving when you are filtering money into the private sector isn't feasible.
 
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It's been picked up by several other news organizations:

Changing how stimulus jobs are counted - Jan. 11, 2010

Farewell ?Saved or Created?: Obama Administration Changes the Counting of Stimulus Jobs* - Political Punch

White House Inflates Stimulus Job Creation With Accounting Gimmicks

I'm really having a hard time coming up with a justification for this that doesn't involve blatant political maneuvering designed to allow the administration to claim that the stimulus "[something-ed] X number of jobs," where X is a lot more than were actually "saved or created," which is itself a lot more than were actually created.
 
Aww, hell yes. Let's not let math get in the way of political expediency. There's nothing like transparency. :mrgreen:
 
From what I've read, state and local organizations are having a difficult time understanding how to track jobs saved or created.

Remember the county in Georgia where they wound up with a figure of 935 jobs saved when there are only 508 people employed? It was a math error, because the person doing the report did not know how to find percentages.

This sounds like they're scuttling the requirement because reporting was screwed.

Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
 
From what I've read, state and local organizations are having a difficult time understanding how to track jobs saved or created.

Remember the county in Georgia where they wound up with a figure of 935 jobs saved when there are only 508 people employed? It was a math error, because the person doing the report did not know how to find percentages.

This sounds like they're scuttling the requirement because reporting was screwed.

Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

The incompetence is on the people who are screwing up the reporting, but they're not the ones making this change - it's the Obama administration. "We're making changes to make things simpler" sounds like a reasonable idea, but why are they using this particular new method? Requiring organizations to report the number of employees "working on projects funded by stimulus money" is a conscious choice to pick a number that will by any measure be wildly inflated over the actual number of jobs created. What do you want to bet that the distinction between the two will be downplayed as much as possible?
 
The incompetence is on the people who are screwing up the reporting, but they're not the ones making this change - it's the Obama administration. "We're making changes to make things simpler" sounds like a reasonable idea, but why are they using this particular new method? Requiring organizations to report the number of employees "working on projects funded by stimulus money" is a conscious choice to pick a number that will by any measure be wildly inflated over the actual number of jobs created. What do you want to bet that the distinction between the two will be downplayed as much as possible?

Funny how they are going to include those whose jobs were secure. More lies and deceptions to make Obama look good.
 
The incompetence is on the people who are screwing up the reporting, but they're not the ones making this change - it's the Obama administration. "We're making changes to make things simpler" sounds like a reasonable idea, but why are they using this particular new method? Requiring organizations to report the number of employees "working on projects funded by stimulus money" is a conscious choice to pick a number that will by any measure be wildly inflated over the actual number of jobs created. What do you want to bet that the distinction between the two will be downplayed as much as possible?

Correct. The Obama administration is the one that scuttled the requirement. The individual state and local governments don't have the power to make that call. The central government were the ones getting the garbage numbers. I'd guess the Georgia numbers I referenced above were far from the only stupid errors, and too many of those render any tracking useless.

I'm willing to take a wait and see approach before deciding that there's a huge conspiracy afoot.
 
Correct. The Obama administration is the one that scuttled the requirement. The individual state and local governments don't have the power to make that call. The central government were the ones getting the garbage numbers. I'd guess the Georgia numbers I referenced above were far from the only stupid errors, and too many of those render any tracking useless.

I'm willing to take a wait and see approach before deciding that there's a huge conspiracy afoot.

The feds are the ones claiming the inflated figures all along so now they want to inflate them even more.
 
Correct. The Obama administration is the one that scuttled the requirement. The individual state and local governments don't have the power to make that call. The central government were the ones getting the garbage numbers. I'd guess the Georgia numbers I referenced above were far from the only stupid errors, and too many of those render any tracking useless.

I'm willing to take a wait and see approach before deciding that there's a huge conspiracy afoot.

It's not a huge conspiracy, it's standard political maneuvering. Government agencies do not make changes to programs that are at the heart of a president's agenda without first carefully discussing the political impact of those changes.
 
This is actually a positive development. The "jobs created or saved" figure was absolute nonsense. This is a more honest way of portraying the same thing. But by showing anything, as RightinNYC points out, they're still effectively trying to assign themselves credit for the existence of those jobs, which is dishonest. And just a wild guess, the jobs figure they're showing now probably looks a lot better than the old figure they were using.
 
Well,Obama did promise 'change'......
 
It's been picked up by several other news organizations:

Changing how stimulus jobs are counted - Jan. 11, 2010

Farewell ?Saved or Created?: Obama Administration Changes the Counting of Stimulus Jobs* - Political Punch

White House Inflates Stimulus Job Creation With Accounting Gimmicks

I'm really having a hard time coming up with a justification for this that doesn't involve blatant political maneuvering designed to allow the administration to claim that the stimulus "[something-ed] X number of jobs," where X is a lot more than were actually "saved or created," which is itself a lot more than were actually created.

If asked in an interview, Barry would have the same problem.
 
Funny how they are going to include those whose jobs were secure. More lies and deceptions to make Obama look good.

What other choice do they have?
 
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Not unless they want to admit that a stimulus actually does more harm than good.

So lies are Acceptable? Obama is showing what a hack he is and how he is not qualified to be President
 
So lies are Acceptable? Obama is showing what a hack he is and how he is not qualified to be President
Well he **** up the oath of office, what do you expect? :lol::lol::lol::lol: Actually it wasn't really his fault. Anyway it was an omen.
 
STIMULUS WATCH: White House changes job-count rule

STIMULUS WATCH: White House changes job-count ruleThe White House has abandoned its controversial method of counting jobs under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus, making it impossible to track the number of jobs saved or created with the $787 billion in recovery money.

Despite mounting a vigorous defense of its earlier count of more than 640,000 jobs credited to the stimulus, even after numerous errors were identified, the Obama administration now is making it easier to give the stimulus credit for hiring. It's no longer about counting a job as saved or created; now it's a matter of counting jobs funded by the stimulus.

That means that any stimulus money used to cover payroll will be included in the jobs credited to the program, including pay raises for existing employees and pay for people who never were in jeopardy of losing their positions.

The new rules, quietly published last month in a memorandum to federal agencies, mark the White House's latest response to criticism about the way it counts jobs credited to the stimulus. When The Associated Press first reported flaws in the job counts in October, the White House said errors were being corrected and future counts would provide a full and correct accounting of just how many stimulus jobs were saved or created.

Numbers published last month identified more than 640,000 jobs linked to stimulus projects around the country. The White House said the public could have confidence in those new numbers, which officials argued proved the administration was on track to keep Obama's promise that the stimulus would save or create 3.5 million jobs by the end of this year.

But more errors were found, with tens of thousands of problems documented in corrected counts, from the substantive to the clerical. Republicans have used those flaws to attack what so far is the signature domestic policy approved during Obama's presidency.

The new rules are intended to streamline the process, said Tom Gavin, spokesman for the White House's Office of Management and Budget. They came in response to grant recipients who complained the reporting was too complicated, from lawmakers who complained the job counts were inconsistent and from watchdog groups who complained the information was unreliable, Gavin said.

"We're trying to make this as consistent and as uniform as we possibly can," he said.

The new stimulus job reports will continue to offer details about jobs and projects. But they were never expected to be the public accounting of Obama's goal to save or create 3.5 million jobs, Gavin said.

The quarterly job reports posted on the Web site for the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board reflect only a fraction of the jobs created under the program and can't account for job creation stemming from other stimulus programs such as tax rebates and other federal aid, the spokesman said.

But the result of the new rules will be that future claims of job creation from the stimulus will be even more misleading, said Rep. Darrell Issa, the ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

"It is troubling that the administration is changing the rules and further inflating the Recovery Act's impact and masking the failure of the stimulus to produce sustainable economic growth or real job creation," Issa said in a letter sent last week to the government board monitoring stimulus spending.

Recipients of recovery money no longer have to show that a job would have been lost without the stimulus help, and they no longer are required to keep an ongoing tally of jobs saved or created. The new rules allow stimulus recipients to limit the job tally to quarterly reports, making it impossible to avoid double-counting a job that was created in one quarter and continued into the next.

I guess the rate of job loss is so high that the former bogus way of counting "saved" jobs wasn't keeping pace, so the con men in the White House had to come up with a more efficient way of double counting.
 
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I guess the rate of job loss is so high that the former bogus way of counting "saved" jobs wasn't keeping pace, so the con men in the White House had to come up with a more efficient way of double counting.

Actually, this bit from the article is obviously what is really going on:

The new rules are intended to streamline the process, said Tom Gavin, spokesman for the White House's Office of Management and Budget. They came in response to grant recipients who complained the reporting was too complicated, from lawmakers who complained the job counts were inconsistent and from watchdog groups who complained the information was unreliable, Gavin said.

"We're trying to make this as consistent and as uniform as we possibly can," he said.
 
So lies are Acceptable? Obama is showing what a hack he is and how he is not qualified to be President

I think you may have lost the meaning of what I was trying to say. I'm not defending the lying by any means. ,
 
Re: STIMULUS WATCH: White House changes job-count rule

Actually, this bit from the article is obviously what is really going on:

Yes,streamline it to hide the obvious failure.
 
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