Yes, I know it's not over. Yes, I know there's more evidence to be shown. Yes, I know.
Just based on what you've seen so far in this trial, which way are you leaning?
I have no trouble with letting a jury decide, but thus far there is nothing for them to decide. If the prosecution has a case he's yet to show it. Right now its a real head scratcher the judge doesn't throw it out for a total lack of evidence - but maybe the prosecution is saving their best for last?
I'm still leaning towards 2nd degree murder, but I am listening. I'm not one of these "I'm going to plug my ears and say *blah blah blah* until it's over." That being said, he was told not to follow the kid, and he did. The kid was running away, hiding, and he still went after him. That's what I have a problem with. Had he stayed his vigilante ass in the car, like he was told to do, this wouldn't even be happening.
But I am listening to all sides.
Failure. When he was told not to follow the kid (dispatcher said we don't need you to do that) he agreed. His claim is he was heading back to his car when TM attacked him. I believe if you listen to the disatch tape he does not disagree with the dispatcher when they tell him they don't need him to do that.
Failure. When he was told not to follow the kid (dispatcher said we don't need you to do that) he agreed. His claim is he was heading back to his car when TM attacked him. I believe if you listen to the disatch tape he does not disagree with the dispatcher when they tell him they don't need him to do that.
His claim. Of course he is going to say that he was going to listen to the dispatcher. Where was he when he called? I'd like to know that. Martin was running towards the back end of the complex - Zimmerman was parked at the front end. If he was near his car, when he called, he should not be where he was where Martin was shot.
Why does it matter where he was? Is it a crime to follow someone you don't know in your complex? When they are out in the rain? When you are part of the communities neighborhood watch? That is NO crime.
No it's not a crime to follow someone but it is a crime to shoot them. He was told to leave it alone. He didn't. That's why I am trying to find out where he was. The kid was shot very far away from where Zimmerman's truck was parked. Was Zimmerman truly "leaving it alone" as he was told to do, or did he continue to pursue Martin? It's no surprise that Zimmerman wanted to be a cop. That's what I am wondering - was he trying to fulfill his lifelong fantasy of being a cop, by pursuing someone in his neighborhood?
Your post rests on emotionalism not on the evidence or the law
A lot of quasi-legal arguments at there but, the fact is... both *Z and M* did nothing illegal...up to
M attacking Z without adequate provocation is what sealed M's fate
That's where, the law was broken
He was told to leave it alone. He didn't. That's why I am trying to find out where he was. The kid was shot very far away from where Zimmerman's truck was parked. Was Zimmerman truly "leaving it alone" as he was told to do, or did he continue to pursue Martin?
I don't believe Zimmerman followed Martin after the 911 dispatcher said, "we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman parked his car at the crosswalk at the bend in Twin Trees Rd. We can hear him running in the 911 tape. The wind picks up as he does so and the 911 dispatcher said this was one of his reasons for suspecting Zimmerman was following Martin. This only lasts for 15-20 seconds. After Zimmerman is told he doesn't need to follow, that noise disappears after a few seconds and is no longer heard on the tape.
Judging by 15-20 seconds of running/hustling, this puts Zimmerman at the t-intersection. This is logical because it offers a view down the backyards and Zimmerman still wants to inform the police where Martin is. It is also where Zimmerman claims he was. From that moment, 4 minutes pass before the other 911 calls are made, from John Good, Jenna Lauer, etc. Zimmerman claims to use this time by going East to look for an address to give the police officers that would give them a better location, then turn around and head back to his truck. (He also probably looked down Retreat View Circle to see if Martin ever appears down the block). At the end of this 4 minute period, Martin and Zimmerman are fighting 30 feet South of the T-intersection. So the fight probably happened 3.5 minutes after the 911 dispatcher's message. In 3.5 minutes, Zimmerman moved South by 10 yards. This includes any steps toward Martin he would have taken when Martin called out to Zimmerman (this is in both Zimmerman's and Jeantel's stories). This also includes any grappling or retreating made by the fighting parties. So including the movement in the fight, Zimmerman moved at (30 ft/3.5 min) 0.043 miles per hour towards Martin's house.
Martin told Jeantel that he had lost Zimmerman, and Zimmerman told the 911 operator he lost Martin when he was at the t-intersection. So it doesn't seem Martin was hiding in the bushes the whole time at the t-intersection. Either Martin turned back toward Zimmerman, Martin somehow made a wrong turn when he was only a half city-block from his house, or this was the slowest pursuit in the history of pursuits.
Yes, I know it's not over. Yes, I know there's more evidence to be shown. Yes, I know.
Just based on what you've seen so far in this trial, which way are you leaning?
Who are the witnesses saying that Zimmerman was on top of Martin? I don't recall hearing that testimony.
What would the "lesser charge" be?
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