City | Murder Rate | Population |
Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY M.S.A. | 1.6 | 879862 |
Raleigh-Cary, NC M.S.A.3 | 1.7 | 1392882 |
Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A.3, 5 | 1.9 | 4880689 |
Worcester, MA-CT M.S.A.3 | 2.0 | 870501 |
Grand Rapids-Kentwood, MI M.S.A.4 | 2.2 | 1079969 |
McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX M.S.A.3 | 2.2 | 871926 |
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA M.S.A. | 2.3 | 2002715 |
Providence-Warwick, RI-MA M.S.A. | 2.3 | 1620927 |
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA M.S.A. | 2.4 | 2500376 |
Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown, TX M.S.A.3 | 2.5 | 2217312 |
San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad, CA M.S.A. | 2.6 | 3346196 |
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI M.S.A.3 | 2.7 | 3643083 |
Urban Honolulu, HI M.S.A. | 2.8 | 974902 |
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA M.S.A. | 2.8 | 847049 |
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT M.S.A. | 3.0 | 929479 |
City | Murder Rate | Population |
Memphis, TN-MS-AR M.S.A.2, 3 | 17.6 | 1344796 |
New Orleans-Metairie, LA M.S.A. | 15.9 | 1273092 |
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD M.S.A. | 15.5 | 2800231 |
Baton Rouge, LA M.S.A. | 14.1 | 852152 |
Albuquerque, NM M.S.A.4 | 10.1 | 918114 |
Greensboro-High Point, NC M.S.A.3 | 9.7 | 772854 |
Bakersfield, CA M.S.A. | 9.4 | 896356 |
Jacksonville, FL M.S.A. | 9.2 | 1549030 |
Charleston-North Charleston, SC M.S.A. | 8.9 | 804618 |
Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI M.S.A. | 8.4 | 4320314 |
Columbia, SC M.S.A. | 8.4 | 841451 |
Richmond, VA M.S.A. | 8.3 | 1287449 |
Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN M.S.A. | 8.3 | 1269402 |
Tulsa, OK M.S.A. | 8.2 | 998117 |
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC M.S.A.3 | 8.0 | 1761473 |
I think this is consistent with my perception that, generally speaking, big cities in liberal regions do better than the ones in conservative regions (probably due in part to the impact of loose gun control in surrounding areas).
I would suggest you take a look the demographics in each of these states.Hmm… Texas seems to be an outlier in your conservative vs. liberal state theory with two cities on your safest 15 list and none on your most dangerous cities list.
What was not stated is the party with control over the city’s and/or county’s police and criminal justice systems. That is likely to have far more impact than the state‘s gun control laws.
It is illegal (and often a felony or high level misdemeanor) everywhere for a ‘prohibited person’ to possess any gun, yet that most basic (and easiest to prove in court) gun control law is inadequately enforced.
I would suggest you take a look the demographics in each of these states.
I think you'd get very different reactions from different kinds of people. For example, I suspect under-educated rural white people would tend to focus on those being places with large Black populations. Up north, you'd probably see more of a focus on the fact those are south of the Mason-Dixon line. Someone more economically minded might focus on them being more "old economy" cities, with less knowledge work (and thus lower educational levels) than some of the thriving cities elsewhere (Boston, Raleigh, Austin, San Jose, etc.)If you asked the average citizen what is the common thing between Memphis, New Orleans and Baltimore I doubt the answer would be conservative, southern, or lax gun control.
For example, I suspect under-educated rural white people would tend to focus on those being places with large Black populations.
I think you are projecting a bit there hun
Yes, Texas is an outlier in that sense. I took a quick look and it turns out Dallas and Houston didn't report in 2019, which was the last UCR date, for some reason (neither did NYC). Dallas would have been 4.4, and Houston 6.3, based on the prior year (NYC would have been 2.8), so both those big Texas cities would be in the middle batch of cities, rather than the high or the low.Hmm… Texas seems to be an outlier in your conservative vs. liberal state theory with two cities on your safest 15 list and none on your most dangerous cities list.
What was not stated is the party with control over the city’s and/or county’s police and criminal justice systems. That is likely to have far more impact than the state‘s gun control laws.
It is illegal (and often a felony or high level misdemeanor) everywhere for a ‘prohibited person’ to possess any gun, yet that most basic (and easiest to prove in court) gun control law is inadequately enforced.
Hmmmm. What's a major difference between the US and those other countries?As an expat who spent time in Europe and Asia, I can say that almost every other country Ive been to is safer than in the US. I can walk around alone late at night at various downtown capital cities and I never felt scared of being robbed or attacked, unlike in the US.
Taxes and cost of living are way lower in these places too.
Blacks are the problem and there needs to be a different set of laws to deal with those pesky thugs....we can name it something catchy like Jack Owl or Jim CrowI was curious what the safest big cities in the US are. For that, I took the most recent FBI Uniform Crime Report, looked at only the metropolitan statistical areas with at least 750,000 residents, and sorted them from lowest murder rate to highest. Here are the 15 safest:
City Murder Rate Population Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY M.S.A. 1.6 879862Raleigh-Cary, NC M.S.A.3 1.7 1392882Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A.3, 5 1.9 4880689Worcester, MA-CT M.S.A.3 2.0 870501Grand Rapids-Kentwood, MI M.S.A.4 2.2 1079969McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX M.S.A.3 2.2 871926San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA M.S.A. 2.3 2002715Providence-Warwick, RI-MA M.S.A. 2.3 1620927Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA M.S.A. 2.4 2500376Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown, TX M.S.A.3 2.5 2217312San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad, CA M.S.A. 2.6 3346196Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI M.S.A.3 2.7 3643083Urban Honolulu, HI M.S.A. 2.8 974902Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA M.S.A. 2.8 847049Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT M.S.A. 3.0 929479
Here are the 15 most dangerous:
City Murder Rate Population Memphis, TN-MS-AR M.S.A.2, 3 17.6 1344796New Orleans-Metairie, LA M.S.A. 15.9 1273092Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD M.S.A. 15.5 2800231Baton Rouge, LA M.S.A. 14.1 852152Albuquerque, NM M.S.A.4 10.1 918114Greensboro-High Point, NC M.S.A.3 9.7 772854Bakersfield, CA M.S.A. 9.4 896356Jacksonville, FL M.S.A. 9.2 1549030Charleston-North Charleston, SC M.S.A. 8.9 804618Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI M.S.A. 8.4 4320314Columbia, SC M.S.A. 8.4 841451Richmond, VA M.S.A. 8.3 1287449Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN M.S.A. 8.3 1269402Tulsa, OK M.S.A. 8.2 998117Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC M.S.A.3 8.0 1761473
I think this is consistent with my perception that, generally speaking, big cities in liberal regions do better than the ones in conservative regions (probably due in part to the impact of loose gun control in surrounding areas). 11 of the 15 most dangerous are located within regions I'd describe as conservative, while 12 of the 15 safest are located within region's I'd describe as liberal.
Of course, all these cities are quite dangerous relative to what we see in many other wealthy nations. For example, London's murder rate is 1.6, which would tie with the best of the US cities, despite being vastly larger and denser.
Wrong as usual. Switzerland has an assault rifle in every house, but they dont go shooting each other. No, its culture- Western Europeans and Asians seem to have more respect for each other, while Americans are pretty confrontational.Hmmmm. What's a major difference between the US and those other countries?
How many US mass shootings have there been in 2023?
Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.www.bbc.com
I was curious what the safest big cities in the US are. For that, I took the most recent FBI Uniform Crime Report, looked at only the metropolitan statistical areas with at least 750,000 residents, and sorted them from lowest murder rate to highest. Here are the 15 safest:
City Murder Rate Population Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY M.S.A. 1.6 879862Raleigh-Cary, NC M.S.A.3 1.7 1392882Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A.3, 5 1.9 4880689Worcester, MA-CT M.S.A.3 2.0 870501Grand Rapids-Kentwood, MI M.S.A.4 2.2 1079969McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX M.S.A.3 2.2 871926San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA M.S.A. 2.3 2002715Providence-Warwick, RI-MA M.S.A. 2.3 1620927Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA M.S.A. 2.4 2500376Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown, TX M.S.A.3 2.5 2217312San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad, CA M.S.A. 2.6 3346196Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI M.S.A.3 2.7 3643083Urban Honolulu, HI M.S.A. 2.8 974902Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA M.S.A. 2.8 847049Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT M.S.A. 3.0 929479
Here are the 15 most dangerous:
City Murder Rate Population Memphis, TN-MS-AR M.S.A.2, 3 17.6 1344796New Orleans-Metairie, LA M.S.A. 15.9 1273092Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD M.S.A. 15.5 2800231Baton Rouge, LA M.S.A. 14.1 852152Albuquerque, NM M.S.A.4 10.1 918114Greensboro-High Point, NC M.S.A.3 9.7 772854Bakersfield, CA M.S.A. 9.4 896356Jacksonville, FL M.S.A. 9.2 1549030Charleston-North Charleston, SC M.S.A. 8.9 804618Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI M.S.A. 8.4 4320314Columbia, SC M.S.A. 8.4 841451Richmond, VA M.S.A. 8.3 1287449Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN M.S.A. 8.3 1269402Tulsa, OK M.S.A. 8.2 998117Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC M.S.A.3 8.0 1761473
I think this is consistent with my perception that, generally speaking, big cities in liberal regions do better than the ones in conservative regions (probably due in part to the impact of loose gun control in surrounding areas). 11 of the 15 most dangerous are located within regions I'd describe as conservative, while 12 of the 15 safest are located within region's I'd describe as liberal.
Of course, all these cities are quite dangerous relative to what we see in many other wealthy nations. For example, London's murder rate is 1.6, which would tie with the best of the US cities, despite being vastly larger and denser.
What was not stated is the party with control over the city’s and/or county’s police and criminal justice systems. That is likely to have far more impact than the state‘s gun control laws.
How many cities with a pop over 750K do Republicans hold?
Certainly not the majority, but that has nothing to do with my point.
Certainly not the majority, but that has nothing to do with my point.
You brought up political parties and control over cities. Kinda hard to do any comparisons when you cannot even produce an example of a Republican-controlled city of 750K+
I just looked it up. In the top 20 largest cities only 2 are Republican. I looked for the first Republican one: it's Jacksonville, FL and it's one of the 15 worst.
Party affiliation of the mayors of the 100 largest cities
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politicsballotpedia.org
OK, but you are totally ignoring my larger point. Having a state law (gun control or otherwise) makes no difference if it is not being adequately enforced locally. The state laws are no different in Austin, TX than in Houston, TX, yet one city is on the top 15 list and the other is not. That alone, seems to disprove the OP theory that state (gun control) laws make a significant difference in local homicide rates.
you need to call Raleigh, NC and tell them that...It's actually true that diversity is the biggest factor in determining a city's safety.
More diversity equals less safety.
Isn't Austin like 90% hipsters?
Joking aside, I think this is far more than a gun control issue. How a state and city/county invests in its communities plays a huge role in the statistics. If Republicans controlled these cities and severely cut social welfare programs you can bet the demand for guns (black market or not) will skyrocket.
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