Which party is better for America, Democrats or Republicans?

[OscarLevant]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

 

[Kal'Stang]

Ever heard of the saying "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"?

Just saying...I have no dog in the fight as I find both Republicans and Democrats to be equally wrong and right across many various issues.

 

[trixare4kids]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

I won't get into the specifics but IMO, Donald J Trump is a rebuke of both parties.
Think about it.. you used to be a Republican, and I used to be a Democrat. Both parties are so far from what they used to be, and that is why we got Trump.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Answering the question of whether the party for a bigger federal government is better than the party for a huge federal government is, indeed, tricky. It largely depends on how fast you want federal government power and spending to increase.

 

[Linc]

Ever heard of the saying "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"?

Just saying...I have no dog in the fight as I find both Republicans and Democrats to be equally wrong and right across many various issues.

Which is why I’ll keep on about a 3rd party, a centrist party to make a short story; what I’m calling the Progressive Conservatism of the likes of Lincoln, Teddy, FDR, and IKE.

It begins and ends with every conceivable Infrastructure with me. Every Job a person does is Infrastructure Related, imho. We need a Farm Bill NOW, long stalled all year.

When Sen. Sasse of Nebraska isn’t supporting Certain ‘things’, to keep this positive, he’s a wise visionary. He speaks of the next ten years. I speak of the next years.

With such an excess of water on the East Cosst, the latest coming this week with Hurricane Florence, there Has to be a way to move it to the Drought-Stricken West.

I see an outrageous thought of levitating Metal sheath in the atmosphere next Century moving water — an interstate series of aqueducts and water pipelines — replenishing the Ogallala Aquifer and all the others — draining Louisiana Sinking West through Texas Over the Rockies to such as Lake Powell; there are plenty of other ‘straws’ like this:

 

[Mycroft]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

These statistics are pretty much meaningless.

Presidents may or may not have any effect on the economy. Congresses may or may not have any effect on the economy. Sometime, when a President or a Congress does something that does have an effect, that effect isn't felt until the next one is in power...which may or may not be of the same Party. And then, add in the effect of donors and lobbyists who influence legislation and policy...and believe me, they don't care what Party is in power...and include the actions of the Federal Reserve.

My opinion? Neither Party is better for the American economy. The best we can hope for is whichever Party that is in power do as little as possible to affect the economy.

 

[Amelia]

As a Republican in the past three decades, I resented it when Democrats seemed to have better ideas and better results.

And I hated that it was happening more and more often in recent years.


Now that I have cut the ties with Republicans because their main idea seemed to be to stand in the way of Democratic ideas no matter how good the ideas were, even when they were ideas Republicans used to embrace, I'm able to appreciate Democratic ideas more and not feel threatened by them.

Main problem with Democrats recently was them not acting democratically. If they would take their better ideas and incorporate feedback from real partnerships with the people, it would be a winning combination.

 

[trixare4kids]

Which is why I’ll keep on about a 3rd party, a centrist party to make a short story; what I’m calling the Progressive Conservatism of the likes of Lincoln, Teddy, FDR, and IKE.

It begins and ends with every conceivable Infrastructure with me. Every Job a person does is Infrastructure Related, imho. We need a Farm Bill NOW, long stalled all year.

When Sen. Sasse of Nebraska isn’t supporting Certain ‘things’, to keep this positive, he’s a wise visionary. He speaks of the next ten years. I speak of the next �� years.

With such an excess of water �� on the East Cosst, the latest coming this week with Hurricane Florence, there Has to be a way to move it to the Drought-Stricken West.

I see an outrageous thought of levitating Metal sheath in the atmosphere next Century moving water — an interstate series of aqueducts and water pipelines — replenishing the Ogallala Aquifer and all the others — draining Louisiana Sinking West through Texas Over the Rockies to such as Lake Powell; there are plenty of other ‘straws’ like this:

Follow me here. I voted for Ron Paul instead of Obama or McCain. Who do you think that helped? I hope you answered Obama because if you did, you are correct.
Didn't like McCain but I sure as hell liked him better than Obama. Third party is a wasted vote.

 

[trixare4kids]

As a Republican in the past three decades, I resented it when Democrats seemed to have better ideas and better results.

And I hated that it was happening more and more often in recent years.


Now that I have cut the ties with Republicans because their main idea seemed to be to stand in the way of Democratic ideas no matter how good the ideas were, even when they were ideas Republicans used to embrace, I'm able to appreciate Democratic ideas more and not feel threatened by them.

Main problem with Democrats recently was them not acting democratically. If they would take their better ideas and incorporate feedback from real partnerships with the people, it would be a winning combination.

What Democratic ideas did the Republicans used to embrace?

 

[Amelia]

What Democratic ideas did the Republicans used to embrace?

I'll have to try to gather my thoughts on this. Becoming disaffected with Republicans was a multi-year process. And now they're muddying the waters by nominally pretending again to care about some of the things they turned their backs on during the Obama administration. So I need to remind myself of the principle examples and phrase them carefully. Veterans, infrastructure and healthcare are three areas where they wouldn't put their money where their mouth was, but now that Obama is out of office they've given veterans some help at least. So/but/anyway, I need to think about this and do some refreshing to get my answer ready.

 

[Rogue Valley]

For the wealthy and corporations -- Republicans.

For blue-collar workers and minorities -- Democrats.

 

[Linc]

Follow me here. I voted for Ron Paul instead of Obama or McCain. Who do you think that helped? I hope you answered Obama because if you did, you are correct.
Didn't like McCain but I sure as hell liked him better than Obama. Third party is a wasted vote.

Nice presentation; thank you . But when the next few Billionaires do what Perot didn’t, build the 3rd party ground up, it will be a force next decade. I see the likes of the Koch’s doing this. For Real.

The Koch’s recently walked away from Sen. Heller of Nevada and GOP Senate Candidates in Indiana and North Dakota. More mod/con DEMs like me see a future with their support, on the ISSUES.

For All the legitimate reasons why the left is against such as the Koch Brothers, I sincerely believe they’ve had their ‘Coming to Legacy’ moment. Sure, they still want the windfall tax cuts; but they invest them. Koch Industries; Georgia-Pacific Wood; Invista Computer; Molex Electrical; their Philanthropy with Medical; hospitals and such; is the stuff of Carnegie.

As for this unprecedented unconstitutional takeover of the Federal Judiciary by McConnell, imho, supported by the Koch’s and Republicans, I part company. On my upcoming Western trip, I’ll be trying to meet with low-level Koch people in Colorado.

 

[trixare4kids]

I'll have to try to gather my thoughts on this. Becoming disaffected with Republicans was a multi-year process. And now they're muddying the waters by nominally pretending again to care about some of the things they turned their backs on during the Obama administration. So I need to remind myself of the principle examples and phrase them carefully. Veterans, infrastructure and healthcare are three areas where they wouldn't put their money where their mouth was, but now that Obama is out of office they've given veterans some help at least. So/but/anyway, I need to think about this and do some refreshing to get my answer ready.

What things?
Veterans, infrastructure, and healthcare have not been forgotten.

Where did you get the notion that they have been?

 

[ttwtt78640]

For the wealthy and corporations -- Republicans.

For blue-collar workers and minorities -- Democrats.

Hmm... I guess that minorities that are (or wish to become) wealthy or invest in corporations are in a pickle there.

 

[Linc]

Follow me here. I voted for Ron Paul instead of Obama or McCain. Who do you think that helped? I hope you answered Obama because if you did, you are correct.
Didn't like McCain but I sure as hell liked him better than Obama. Third party is a wasted vote.

And Nader in 2000; Russian stooge Jill Stein in 2016; Gary Johnson in 2016; too bad Evan McMullin didn’t have a real 3rd party in 2016; Wallace in 1968; Teddy in 1912, hurting Taft and electing Wilson; that stuff goes both ways; I’m sure you’ll agree with that. We need a real bottom up 3rd party.

 

[trixare4kids]

Nice presentation; thank you ��. But when the next few Billionaires do what Perot didn’t, build the 3rd party ground up, it will be a force next decade. I see the likes of the Koch’s doing this. For Real.

The Koch’s recently walked away from Sen. Heller of Nevada and GOP Senate Candidates in Indiana and North Dakota. More mod/con DEMs like me see a future with their support, on the ISSUES.

For All the legitimate reasons why the left is against such as the Koch Brothers, I sincerely believe they’ve had their ‘Coming to Legacy’ moment. Sure, they still want the windfall tax cuts; but they invest them. Koch Industries; Georgia-Pacific Wood; Invista Computer; Molex Electrical; their Philanthropy with Medical; hospitals and such; is the stuff of Carnegie.

As for this unprecedented unconstitutional takeover of the Federal Judiciary by McConnell, imho, supported by the Koch’s and Republicans, I part company. On my upcoming Western trip, I’ll be trying to meet with low-level Koch people in Colorado.

I don't know how to answer the above, so I'll simply give you a like for effort. :lol:
I hope you take no offense.

 

[Phys251]

The Republican party is fantastic...for the top 1%.

 

[Mach]

The Republican party is fantastic...for the top 1%.

--- who value money more than anything else.

 

[Amelia]

What things?
Veterans, infrastructure, and healthcare have not been forgotten.

Where did you get the notion that they have been?

What part of "I'll have to try to gather my thoughts" is so offensive to you? I know those things are mentioned by Republicans, but much is lip service. Republicans actually took some steps to help veterans ... now that Trump is president ... after years of denying them because Democrats were trying to help, but still Trump is telling them they need to tighten their belt while he appropriates massive new funds for defense. Trump wants to privatize infrastructure. And healthcare? OMG

If you care what I think, then please respect that I want to take time to give a thoughtful answer. I answered this for myself in real time over the past several years, and then I put it behind me. I'll need to dig back for specifics to give a substantive answer.

If you don't care what I think enough to give me time to gather my thoughts, then why ask the question?

 

[noonereal]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

thanks but facts no long matter

 

[DamnYankee]

For the wealthy and corporations -- Republicans.

For blue-collar workers and minorities -- Democrats.

Except BO threw piles of money at big corp, especially GE. And then saddled the middle class with Obamacare. So your theory is crap. Now, leftist throw money at big business like no tomorrow, so don't kid yourself. And throw money at big union fat cats, making them even fatter, and then line their favorite CEO's pockets with even more moolah. So that shoots your theory all to hell.

Remember, the only people that benefit from leftist throwing cash around, are other leftists, everyone else foots the bill or gets screwed. BTW, BO screwed minorities. But they have been doing rather well under DJT. So, again, your theory is crap.

 

[Phys251]

--- who value money more than anything else.

And control. Today's Republican party is all about control. They want to control science, education, women's bodies, worker's rights, people of color, and anything and anyone else that threatens their quest for domination.

 

[Linc]

I don't know how to answer the above, so I'll simply give you a like for effort. :lol:
I hope you take no offense.

Not at all. Great Change Is Difficult for Everyone. At 64-yoa, still with students in Chem/Physics, still coaching, now into farm managing big time; my passion for infrastructure knows no bounds. I owe this to our students until the day I die.

This Middle Party is coming. How often do you see posters, and Americans at large, BEGGING for compromise? We STILL don’t have a Farm Bill; no Budget; threats of a shut down; tariff wars out of control Threatening the world 🗺 economy;

The next 58 days will be like 58 weeks — all negative ads all day — I’ll be working for this 3rd party in earnest after the 2021 remaps; 99 state and 43 Federal House;

 

[trixare4kids]

And Nader in 2000; Russian stooge Jill Stein in 2016; Gary Johnson in 2016; too bad Evan McMullin didn’t have a real 3rd party in 2016; Wallace in 1968; Teddy in 1912, hurting Taft and electing Wilson; that stuff goes both ways; I’m sure you’ll agree with that. We need a real bottom up 3rd party.

No, I don't agree, and probably never will.
Here me out again... so far you are doing better than most have done on this forum.

We need the Democrats to get back to being centrist Democrats as we once knew them, (not progressive far leftists) and if the GOP gets back to being true middle of the road conservatives as we once knew them, (instead of wacko RINOS attempting to be more like like Democrats because they think this is what it takes to get votes), no need for people like Donald Trump to be put in office by the people to rebuke, AND capitalize on both parties failures.

We get the government we deserve... and yes, ollie, we've all made a fine mess of it. No blame here on you or me.
IMO, instead of a third party, we need to do what I suggested above, and secondly, enact term limits for career politicians. Whatever happened to the days when we elected public servants to serve temporarily, and not for life? I'll tell you what happened, $$$ and special interests buy these lifers; clowns.

Sorry for going off, but I get passionate about these things.

 

[Nickyjo]

Hmm... I guess that minorities that are (or wish to become) wealthy or invest in corporations are in a pickle there.

Nice try. There is no denying that there is a class and even race basis basis for the way people vote, complicated by social issues like abortion and gay rights. If I am a businessman, I pursue my own interests by voting republican as the GOP is less likely to raise the minimum wage, for example, or pass what I consider burdensome environmental regulations. A worker in a factory he owns might see things differently. A minority might remember Nixon’s southern strategy of years ago or Trump’s spreading false info on crime connected to black and brown people and vote democratic. All of these people might own stocks and want to get rich.