Which is worse ...

[Lursa]

I hear you, and I'm not saying that you're indifferent, but there are people even on this site who are expressing indifference (and seemingly proud of it, too).

Well if Kirk wasnt really on their radar, if they werent familiar with his speaking and opinions, why would they? (see caveat below). In that case, why would they treat it any differently than other daily homicides around the country?

Are you suggesting that people should be outraged or demonstrate strong feelings based on partisanship alone?

Caveat: people may take a broader view of the implications and consequences of political killings as a very dangerous, violent road we shouldnt go down. This would definitely not be indifference or outrage but it wouldnt be focused on the individual.

 

[Airyaman]

You need to look no further than several of my posts in this thread.



And yes, in just a few hours, a 100+ post "failure" of a thread.

So you found empathy all of a sudden, is that what you are saying? And now that you've discovered it, you want everyone to be more like you?

 

[noonereal]

No one is arguing Kirk's life is more important than someone else's.

Of course they are.

I never hear of people wanting to go to war when a school child is killed.

I hear many on the right starting with our president calling for retribution.

I never hear them scream this when innocent children are slaughtered.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Of course they are.

I never hear of people wanting to go to war when a school child is killed.

I hear many on the right starting with our president calling for retribution.

I never hear them scream this when innocent children are slaughtered.

4 kids were shot at their different school on the same day as Kirk. Where are the outpourings of angst for them?

 

[noonereal]

4 kids were shot at their different school on the same day as Kirk. Where are the outpourings of angst for them?

They only care if hate was preached by the victim as they held a Bible and clutched a rosary . How sick it that?

The Christian shit is spooky unhealthy
It should be outlawed. It speaks to a deficiency in thinking

 

[element94]

Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.

His proffering very hateful and hackneyed racism/sexism shouldn't be mentioned now? The country as a whole is in a very bad place now because of such things being normalized.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Your problem is that you thought Kirk supported tyranny.

He did.

 

[NatMorton]

The thread isn't about "outrage", it's about "apathy". And yes, people have been expressing apathy about school children being slaughtered for decades. As evidenced by the fact that we haven't done a single substantive thing to prevent them. The general sentiment from the right (and Kirk himself) is that it is a necessary sacrifice to preserve gun rights. They have the same attitude towards police abuse. No changes need to be made and nothing to be done but accept the necessary costs (i.e. other peoples' lives). Just widespread apathy.

As for WHY people keep bringing it up in your thread moralizing and reprimanding people for showing apathy to a celebrity activist assassination? Maybe it's because YOU HAVEN'T MADE A THREAD LIKE THIS BEFORE. Despite years and dozens of high profile opportunities. You CLAIM to think that school shootings are worse than Kirk's, but you have skipped dozens of opportunities to lambast, and moralize, and lecture conservatives in this country. Your claims contradict your actions, which makes this thread look a lot like petty partisanship.

No, they're bringing it up in an attempt to change the subject, just like you're doing here.

 

[NatMorton]

So...the whole "dead kids are an acceptable loss to preserve the 2nd" now want empathy?

Y'all ever tire of playing the victim?

Y'all ever tire of building straw-men?

 

[NatMorton]

Ok but that still doesn’t explain what you think everyone’s reaction should be. Kirk is gone, how long do we have to wear the hair shirts for?

Social conservatism is the view that is warped. A regressive, judgemental ideology which sows division and hatred. We didn’t lose a Ghandi here.

I'm saying apathy over a political assassination is a troubling sign. You seem to want me to say something else, but sorry, no, my point is my point.

 

[NatMorton]

You do realize that you can feel sorry for him and his family and still hate what he stood for. Those making him into a saint should be remembering what he stood for.

IMO, you should be worried that someone was murdered for speaking his mind, even though you don't like what he had to say.

 

[NatMorton]

So you found empathy all of a sudden

So you're lying, though not all of a sudden.

 

[NatMorton]

His proffering very hateful and hackneyed racism/sexism shouldn't be mentioned now? The country as a whole is in a very bad place now because of such things being normalized.

Your posts are often hateful. Does that lessen the value of your life?

 

[Decypher]

I'm saying apathy over a political assassination is a troubling sign. You seem to want me to say something else, but sorry, no, my point is my point.

I guess empathy for a guy who didn’t believe in empathy is in short supply.

 

[NatMorton]

He did.

You're making things up and wasting everyone's time in the process.

Good bye.

 

[NatMorton]

I guess empathy for a guy who didn’t believe in empathy is in short supply.

Even if you're correct, don't you want to be better than that?

 

[Decypher]

Even if you're correct, don't you want to be better than that?

Well personally I expressed shock at the violent act and sympathised with the victim’s family. It remains unclear what more you expect and I suspect you’re not sure either.

 

[NatMorton]

Well personally I expressed shock at the violent act and sympathised with the victim’s family. It remains unclear what more you expect and I suspect you’re not sure either.

I'll take your word for it, but a quick search of your posting history doesn't turn up any expression of "shock." It appears as if your first reaction was "Most people have never even heard of Charlie Kirk."

 

[Gatsby]

Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.

"Acts of indifference" is a really good way of putting it. There are a lot of people, on this forum and elsewhere, who don't exactly celebrate it, but make a big show of how little they care about it. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too. They can barely contain their giddiness and want to make sure everyone knows it, but they don't come right out and say it, to have the fig leaf of deniability. If they actually didn't care, they just wouldn't bother to post about it at all. But instead, they have to vice-signal about how they don't care.

 

[Airyaman]

So you're lying, though not all of a sudden.

No, you just admitted it. I asked for prior examples, you refused and said you weren't going to do it. So I looked for your reaction to the murder of the Hortmans and you had zero to say about them. True apathy.

Your response was this:

You need to look no further than several of my posts in this thread.



And yes, in just a few hours, a 100+ post "failure" of a thread.

According to your response, the only time we can see you not being apathetic is in this very thread, which means you were apathetic before.

 

[Decypher]

I'll take your word for it, but a quick search of your posting history doesn't turn up any expression of "shock." It appears as if your first reaction was "Most people have never even heard of Charlie Kirk."

My first post on the subject:

He was a young man with young children. My sympathies to them. Hopefully the death of someone high profile can spur Americans to address their violence problem in a way that dead school children can’t seem to.

Hopefully this satisfies your vague standards for an appropriate response.

 

[NatMorton]

According to your response, the only time we can see you not being apathetic is in this very thread, which means you were apathetic before.

You really ought to stop lying.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.

You know, I think you're 100% correct about this. The part you left out is about how we got here. Since you mentioned the McCain comments, I'll start there. Trump is a big part of our national discourse, but not the entire problem. It started with Rush L. And got worse from there. Giving him a medal made it worse yet.

Trump is the result of 25 years of pure hate and propaganda from the extreme right. Everyone from Alex Jones to Steve Bannon to yes, Charlie Kirk and others. There have never been a more divisive bunch, IMO.

 

[NatMorton]

You know, I think you're 100% correct about this. The part you left out is about how we got here. Since you mentioned the McCain comments, I'll start there. Trump is a big part of our national discourse, but not the entire problem. It started with Rush L. And got worse from there. Giving him a medal made it worse yet.

Trump is the result of 25 years of pure hate and propaganda from the extreme right. Everyone from Alex Jones to Steve Bannon to yes, Charlie Kirk and others. There have never been a more divisive bunch, IMO.

I agree that Trump has a disturbing ability to make people hate each other, and I think it's fair to call him the most divisive political figure of our time. He's not alone in creating the problem, but look at the list of people whom you've cited as being the problem. What's missing?

 

[CaughtInThe]

It's probably not as worse but when people pretend that they're Libertarians when they're just simply Republicans are MAGA that's not a good thing either.

Then all of their arguments are skewed on every topic.