Which is the bigger danger?

[Maximus Zeebra]

The US or terrorism?

The US.
1. Becoming a military state
2. Lack of clear democracy and transparancy
3. Democracy turning into authoritarian rule
4. Most power is in the hand of the president and his handpicked Cabinet.
5. US foreign policy
6. The US is responsible for around 500.000-1.5 million deaths in foreign countries the last 20 years.
7. The US is being taken over by interest groups of insane neo-cons.
8. The US dont care about the rest of the world
9. The US ignores rules and organizations they themself created.
10. US international double moral and standards. Create the UN but not obey by it, while demanding others do. Member of the international court on a case to case basis only. Not member of ICC, but runs Guantanamo. Etc etc 1000ds of cases of similar behavious.
11. The US is continuing the arms race
12. The US dont care for the wellbeing of the human race
13. US nationalism

Terrorism.
1. Several small terrorist attacks around the world the last 20 years.
2. WTC attacks, 911 and 90s
3, London and Madrid(wouldnt have happen if not for iraq Iraq)
4. Responsible for around 50.000 deaths the last 20 years.
5. Crazy and irresponsible people with no compehension for anything but their own sick agenda.(like the Neo-cons)
6. Dont care about anything but their own agenda.
Etc.

 

[Gibberish]

Terrorism of course. The US isn't doing anything that is "ruining" the world.

If it gets proven that this war in Iraq is indeed increasing the number of terrorists instead of diminishing it then the US will have a hand in diminishing the safety of citizens around the world.

In the end the US isn't a global danger without terrorism. Terrorism is still a global danger without the US.

 

[faminedynasty]

Wow zebra, perhaps you should tell us what your opinion is because it isn't completely obvious from your (totally objective and fair) framing of the question.

The US certainly has its problems in regards to foreign policy. Could it and should it do better? Of course. But considering the US's economic and cultural domination of virtually the entire world, it is a remarkably benign empire. It could be much, much more malignant and malicious. Be thankful for that, my friend.

Of course the trouble with your question is that even marginally inadequate policies for such a superpower can result in turmoil and loss of life. It's a superpower, the last one and the ill effects of poor policy is felt around the world. It's hard being the last superpower. You are blamed for everything you do. You are blamed for everything you don't do. Everyone expects you to solve their problems and everyone resents your efforts to do so. And at the end of the day, people like you post the entirety of the death toll in our column.

As for the question of danger, well I suppose the USA has the capacity to be dangerous. Anything as powerful as the United States, even in the hands of angels could be dangerous. As for the terrorists, they represent some short term danger. But just as the Soviet Union was doomed because of the stupidity of command economies, the terrorists are doomed because of the stupidity of their ideology. Kids don't want to die in Jihad. They want to listen to our hip-hop and wear our blue jeans and try our drugs. Get laid. And why not? So overall, I will agree, the United States has the potential to be more dangerous. But only because it is so much more powerful.

The USA, like any empire has its share of attrocities under its belt, but also its share of miraculous accomplishments. I know that right now the incompetence and corruption of the current administration has led to fear and generally reflects poorly on the USA. But I tend to think that we are on the upswing out of these years of darkness. Are we on the road to perfection? Maybe not. But we'll be doing better in a few years. Maybe then you'll thank us for what a good job we're doing.

 

[Hatuey]

1. Becoming a military state

1. Because we've chosen to defend ourselves from terrorists that declared war not only on us but on the entire western world? Give me a break Neville.

2. Lack of clear democracy and transparancy

2. If this was true Obama and Hillary would not be campaigning.

3. Democracy turning into authoritarian rule

Elections in '08. Dont miss them. Same as above.

4. Most power is in the hand of the president and his handpicked Cabinet.

President has the right to pick out his cabinet. No law broken there.

5. US foreign policy

Cleaning up Europe's colonial mess.

6. The US is responsible for around 500.000-1.5 million deaths in foreign countries the last 20 years.

As opposed to...the millions who would died had we not decided to step in and help the world.

7. The US is being taken over by interest groups of insane neo-cons.

Rofl. Evidence?

8. The US dont care about the rest of the world

And Europe does. Yet we still give more money then you do. Care to debate this issue again?

9. The US ignores rules and organizations they themselves created.

I say we secede the U.N. and see just how long it holds up. Must I remind you that without us. We'd have not a handful of lunatics running their own states but dozens?

10. US international double moral and standards. Create the UN but not obey by it, while demanding others do. Member of the international court on a case to case basis only. Not member of ICC, but runs Guantanamo. Etc etc 1000ds of cases of similar behavious.

As opposed to the dozens of nations who run dozens secret prisons most of us have never heard of? As opposed to the dozens of nations who commit human rights violations on a daily basis? As opposed to the dozens of nations who won't afford their citizens freedom of speech? Give me a ****ing break Neville.

11. The US is continuing the arms race

Evidence? That umbrella in the sky that you'll want to have when Iran decides to send a few nukes over?

12. The US dont care for the wellbeing of the human race

And Europeans don't care about Europeans. Good look with Europistan.

13. US nationalism

Whats so bad about loving the fact that you're an American? Ashamed of being french? Yes? Yes.

1. Several small terrorist attacks around the world the last 20 years.

A shinning example of your ignorance. 20 years? Think more like 60.

In the 2007 alone(notice we're still in April :

* Flag of Sri Lanka January 05, 2007 & January 06, 2007: Suspected LTTE suicide bombers blow themselves up aboard two buses during rush hour in Nittambuwa and Peraliya killing 6 and 16 civilians respectively. A further 100 are injured in the incidents.[75][76][77] See 2007 Sri Lankan bus bombs.
* Flag of Philippines January 10: Three bombs kill six and injure twenty seven in the southern part of the Philippines. Muslim militants trying to disrupt Asian Summit suspected.[78]
* Flag of Greece January 12: Rocket causes minimal damage at the US Embassy in central Athens; police suspect spinoff of Greek left wing group November 17.[79]
* Flag of United KingdomJanuary-February: 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs
* Flag of Iraq January 22: A bombing in a market in Baghdad, Iraq, kills 88 people and wounds 160 others.
* Flag of Pakistan January 26: A suicide bomber kills himself and a security guard trying to enter the Marriott hotel in Islamabad.[80]
* Flag of Pakistan January 27: A suicide bombing Pakistan's north-west city of Peshawar kills at least 14 people, mostly policemen, and injures at least 30. Security forces had been on high alert ahead of the annual Shia festival of Ashoura.[81]
* Flag of Israel January 29: A suicide bombing in the Israeli resort city of Eilat kills three people. Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsibility.[82]
* Flag of Iraq February 3: A truck bombing in a crowed Baghdad market kills at least 135 people and injures a further 339 others.[83] See 3 February 2007 Baghdad market bombing.
* Flag of Pakistan February 17: A suicide bomber kills 15 people, including a judge, inside a courtroom in Pakistan. The Taliban is suspected.
* Flag of Somalia February 18: A car bomb in Mogadishu killed four people, the first such attack of the Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present).[84]
* Flag of IndiaFebruary 19: Two bombs explode aboard the Samjhauta Express, a train headed toward Lahore, Pakistan, hour after it left New Delhi. 68 people died in the incident.[85]
* Flag of Iraq February: 2007 chlorine bombings in Iraq
* Flag of United States March 5 A Rikers Island inmate offered to pay an undercover police officer posing as a hit man to behead New York City police commissioner Raymond Kelly and bomb police headquarters in retaliation for the controversial police shooting of Sean Bell. The suspect wanted the bombing to be considered a terrorist act.[86][87]
* Flag of Afghanistan March 5. The Taliban kidnap Italian Journalist Daniele Mastrogiacomo whilst beheading his driver. Mastrogiacomo was released March 19 after Afghan President Hamid Karzai agreed to free five Taliban prisoners. His translater was left behind. On April 8 an Afghan government official confirmed the translator was killed [88]
* Flag of Iraq March 6: Two suicide bombers kill 114 Shiite pilgrims in Hilla, Iraq.
* Flag of Iraq March 22: A rocket or mortar lands within 100 yards of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon in the Green Zone in Baghdad, in an apparent assassination attempt.
* Flag of Iraq March 27: Two truck bombs kill 152 people and injure 347 in Tal Afar, Iraq. See 2007 Tal Afar bombings
* Flag of Iraq March 29: Two suicide bombers kill 79 people and injure 81 in a market of Baghdad.
* Flag of Afghanistan In the two weeks prior to April 8 at least thirteen Afghans and two French aid workers have been kidnapped. Rebels have demanded further releases of their jailed associates in exchange for some of the hostages[89]
* Flag of Morocco April 10: Three suicide bombers kill one police man and injure 23 people in Casablanca, Morocco.
* Flag of Algeria April 11: Two suicide car bombs kill 33 people and injure 222 in Algiers, Algeria. Al-Queda takes responsibility. See 2007 Algiers bombings
* Flag of Iraq April 12: One suicide bomber kills 8 people and injures 20 in the cafeteria on Iraq Parlament in the Green Zone in Baghdad.
* Flag of European Union April 12 A U.S. federal grand jury indicted Christopher Paul, 43, a U.S. citizen and resident of Columbus,Ohio on charges of joining al-Qaida and conspiring to bomb European tourist resorts and U.S. government facilities and military bases overseas [90].
* Flag of Iraq April 14: A suicide car bomb kills 65 people and injure 100 in Karbala, Iraq.
* Flag of Morocco April 14: Two suicide bombers explode near of the American Language Center in Casablanca, Morocco. One person was injured.
* Flag of United States April 16: Cho Seung-hui killed 33 people including himself in the Virginia Tech massacre the worst civilian shooting spree in United States history, and the worst case of mass murder in the United States since 9/11.
* Flag of Iraq April 18: A car bomb kills 140 people and injure 116 in Baghdad, Iraq.

2. WTC attacks, 911 and 90s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-state_terrorist_incidents#1900s-1940s

3, London and Madrid(wouldnt have happen if not for iraq Iraq)

Give me a ****ing break. What about Munich? Buenos Aires 94'?

4. Responsible for around 50.000 deaths the last 20 years.

ROFL - Where do you get this retarded figure from?

5. Crazy and irresponsible people with no compehension for anything but their own sick agenda.(like the Neo-cons)

6. Dont care about anything but their own agenda.
Etc.

Difference is they don't believe in democracy. We do.

Maximus is sad that you've been brought down to the point where you have to compare the U.S. to terrorists. It just shows how weak your arguments have become. How little you have to offer. Shame I was actually starting to like you.

 

[Kandahar]

I have decided that this thread is stupid and unworthy of debate. Therefore, I am hijacking it. The topic of this thread is now ice cream.

Personally, I like plain old chocolate the best. Ben & Jerry's is the best brand, although Coldstone is very good too. What do you guys think?

 

[RightOfCenter]

I have decided that this thread is stupid and unworthy of debate. Therefore, I am hijacking it. The topic of this thread is now ice cream.

Personally, I like plain old chocolate the best. Ben & Jerry's is the best brand, although Coldstone is very good too. What do you guys think?

You should try SDSU Ice Cream, we invented the Cookies and Cream flavor!

 

[Kandahar]

You should try SDSU Ice Cream, we invented the Cookies and Cream flavor!

And if you're ever in the Dayton area, be sure to check out Young's Dairy Ice Cream. Or Grater's in the Cincinnati area. :mrgreen:

 

[Doremus Jessup]

:2wave: Where's the option for Eurotrash?

 

[RightOfCenter]

:2wave: Where's the option for Eurotrash?

Never heard of that kind of ice cream, what's it taste like?

 

[talloulou]

8. The US dont care about the rest of the world.

:damn

Bunch of unappreciative bastardzzz.

 

[Navy Pride]

I have decided that this thread is stupid and unworthy of debate. Therefore, I am hijacking it. The topic of this thread is now ice cream.

Personally, I like plain old chocolate the best. Ben & Jerry's is the best brand, although Coldstone is very good too. What do you guys think?

I am with you on this one.........The guy that started this thread is a flamer and America hater....When Europe needs our help again people like him will come begging again just like they did in WW1 and WW2......

 

[daddyholland]

I have decided that this thread is stupid and unworthy of debate. Therefore, I am hijacking it. The topic of this thread is now ice cream.

Personally, I like plain old chocolate the best. Ben & Jerry's is the best brand, although Coldstone is very good too. What do you guys think?

Canada has the best ice cream you know...... I hear its shipped directly from the arctic.:lol:

 

[Hatuey]

I am with you on this one.........The guy that started this thread is a flamer and America hater....When Europe needs our help again people like him will come begging again just like they did in WW1 and WW2......

So? Navy Blue Rocky Road or...Vanilla Surprise?

 

[Navy Pride]

So? Navy Blue Rocky Road or...Vanilla Surprise?

I like butter pecan..........

 

[Hatuey]

I like butter pecan..........

Really? I always thought of you as a blueberry type of guy.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Really? I always thought of you as a blueberry type of guy.

He always seemed like traditional vanilla to me, maybe some chocolate or caramel on top...

 

[Voidwar]

Used to love hittin the mall for the pink bubble gum ice cream from Baskin Robbins.

Not saying it was the best or anything, but I sure have fond memories

 

[Willow]

strawberry ice cream with pineapples and bananas...yum....

 

[RightOfCenter]

strawberry ice cream with pineapples and bananas...yum....

Pineapples on ice cream just seems weird to me...but to each their own I guess.

 

[Willow]

I'm a pineapple freak I put it on everything.

 

[Hatuey]

I'm a pineapple freak I put it on everything.

Is that a fact....damn it I'm married nvm.

 

[TurtleDude]

And if you're ever in the Dayton area, be sure to check out Young's Dairy Ice Cream. Or Grater's in the Cincinnati area. :mrgreen:

Graters is considered tops but I liked aglemiesies in Oakley (Sp)

 

[Willow]

Is that a fact....damn it I'm married nvm.

Naughty Hautey!! I must punish you...:spank:

 

[debate_junkie]

And if you're ever in the Dayton area, be sure to check out Young's Dairy Ice Cream. Or Grater's in the Cincinnati area. :mrgreen:

The Creamery at Penn State University makes the BEST ice cream. Second, Lancaster County made Turkey Hill. YUMMMMM

 

[Kandahar]

The Creamery at Penn State University makes the BEST ice cream. Second, Lancaster County made Turkey Hill. YUMMMMM

Is Lancaster County where all the Amish are? Do they make the ice cream?