...what? There is no freedom socialism.
I could be free without being financially secure; it depends on your definition of freedom. If freedom is defined as my inalienable rights (as defined by the constitution) not being infringed upon, there is nothing necessitating that I become financially secure. So I can be free without being financially secure; I just don't see how the opposite could be true.
This again makes no sense. If you are able to live the way you wish or not has little to nothing to do with if your freedom is enact or not. You also don't need to think of freedom or even understand freedom to have it or not making the entire idea of the importance of you thinking about it nonsensical.
I cannot be able to live the way I wish if I don't have the means to even live. It's nealry impossible. Survival takes first priority. Not freedom.
Freedom is a construct. It's a higher ideal that only those who are far enough up the needs list that more important needs are no longer a concern. The only real question is when are we at that place.
Being able to live is again part of freedom but falling short and dieing is sadly again freedom. No one ever said freedom meant survival. Freedom includes the freedom to fail.
Social justice strips freedom from one to give results to another. Freedom and social justice are in opposition.
Another way to look at it. I fail to see the point in making us choose between one or the other when they are both interrelated.
They have nothing to do with each other. Only someone that truly doesn't understand freedom will say they are connected.
If survival is at stake, freedom is not a concern or consideration.
Freedom and financial security are completely separate don't know how you could argue otherwise. Homeless folks are as free as I am, doesn't make them happy, but that's beside the point.
For me it's a no-brainer. At my age with no financial security, the only thing I'd be "free" to do is beg for food and hack myself to death on a freezing park bench.
Not true. Financial security gives you the freedom to do as you please. Sure, you can say that a poor person who works his ass off at a job he hates is "free" to choose to starve to death instead of working...just like someone could say that a North Korean who is literally a slave is "free" to choose to starve to death instead of complying with his tormenter.
The ones who don't understand freedom are the people who define it solely in terms of absence of interference from the state. Freedom is the ability to do what you want without infringing on other's rights...which the poor most certainly do not have. If you are unable to do what you want (whether it's protesting an unjust law, or starting a business, or getting an education, or raising a family, or whatever) it doesn't really matter, from a practical standpoint, whether it's because the state is preventing you or because your checkbook is preventing you. Either way the result is the same.
No one is denying you anything that you even mentioned.
You can protest if you want, you can start a business if you have the ability and resources available(both of which you can gain access too), you can get an education, and you can raise your family. If any of those things you can't do at the moment you have the freedom to change that situation in the future with the fruits of your labor. If someone violates your rights in the process than clearly there is a problem, but all things considered you should be able to do what is needed to reach your goals.
You are confusing ease to the access to your goals to the freedom to reach those goals. The first can have plenty of blockades in your way as it stands now but the freedom is still there.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're defining freedom solely in terms of others "denying you" something rather than actually being able to do what you want. Then you proclaim that OTHERS don't understand freedom. :roll:
Define freedom in the context of this thread.
Wrong on multiple levels.Freedom is your capacity to choose. Can't choose **** when you're starving.
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