Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

[mrjurrs]

My apologies I meant to write of rather than if. Is that really the source of your misunderstanding?

I didn't understand your question then, and answered that no I don't believe in the paradigm of Christianity. It is a social construct that has done good things, but 'too many have died in the name of Christ for anyone to heed the call'.

 

[CLAX1911]

I didn't understand your question then, and answered that no I don't believe in the paradigm of Christianity.

so by that do you mean you don't believe there is a Christian paradigm? Are you able to recognize Christian churches? Are you able to recognize any Christian archetype?

It is a social construct that has done good things,

just about every social construct I can imagine is a paradigm.

but 'too many have died in the name of Christ for anyone to heed the call'.

this is kind of bizarre statement, it has absolutely nothing to do with the question,

 

[mrjurrs]

so by that do you mean you don't believe there is a Christian paradigm? Are you able to recognize Christian churches? Are you able to recognize any Christian archetype?

just about every social construct I can imagine is a paradigm.

this is kind of bizarre statement, it has absolutely nothing to do with the question,

Of course I recognize Christian iconography. I reject the premise that they are of god. Organized religion is meant to separate us from god, the last statement is a lyric that is meant to highlite the unfounded belief that promoters of that belief are good people.

 

[CLAX1911]

Of course I recognize Christian iconography.

Because it's a pattern, or a paradigm. So when you said you don't believe in the paradigm, you were mistaken?

I reject the premise that they are of god.

Than you can't really discuss anything in that premise.

Organized religion is meant to separate us from god, the last statement is a lyric that is meant to highlite the unfounded belief that promoters of that belief are good people.

Fail to see the relevance.

 

[mrjurrs]

Because it's a pattern, or a paradigm. So when you said you don't believe in the paradigm, you were mistaken?
Than you can't really discuss anything in that premise.
Fail to see the relevance.

Definition of paradigm. 1 : example, pattern especially : an outstandingly clear or typical example or archetype … regard science as the paradigm of true knowledge. — G. C. J. Midgley. 2 : an example of a conjugation or declension showing a word in all its inflectional forms.

Do you want to discuss architecture or beliefs?

 

[CLAX1911]

Definition of paradigm. 1 : example, pattern especially : an outstandingly clear or typical example or archetype … regard science as the paradigm of true knowledge. — G. C. J. Midgley. 2 : an example of a conjugation or declension showing a word in all its inflectional forms.

Do you want to discuss architecture or beliefs?

I have absolutely no interest in discussing either, they haven't been the topic of a single one of my posts.

 

[mrjurrs]

I have absolutely no interest in discussing either, they haven't been the topic of a single one of my posts.

You said, "...Are you able to recognize Christian churches? Are you able to recognize any Christian archetype?" Short-term memory loss?

 

[CLAX1911]

You said, "...Are you able to recognize Christian churches?

You said you didn't believe in the paradigm. The fact that you can recognize Christan churches or Christians by things they say means you are picking up on the paradigm.

Are you able to recognize any Christian archetype?" Short-term memory loss?

Do you know what an archetype is?

 

[mrjurrs]

You said you didn't believe in the paradigm. The fact that you can recognize Christan churches or Christians by things they say means you are picking up on the paradigm.


Do you know what an archetype is?

Yes, you are an archetype of blog posters...dancing around a piece of knowledge in an effort to score personal points. Say what you mean, maybe you'll have to go for more than a single sentence. Ask what you want to know, or don't.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yes, you are an archetype of blog posters...dancing around a piece of knowledge in an effort to score personal points.

this is just posturing I have no interest in that.

Say what you mean, maybe you'll have to go for more than a single sentence. Ask what you want to know, or don't.

I only ever say what I mean. Sometimes it's just one sentence I believe in getting straight to the point.

So back to the point you don't believe in the paradigm of Christianity so how do you know something is Christian if you don't believe there's a pattern to it?

 

[Somerville]

this is just posturing I have no interest in that.
I only ever say what I mean. Sometimes it's just one sentence I believe in getting straight to the point.

So back to the point you don't believe in the paradigm of Christianity so how do you know something is Christian if you don't believe there's a pattern to it?

If there is a " paradigm of Christianity", a pattern; why are there 30,000+ groups calling themselves "Christian"? That question brings up another one- Who is a True Christian? If the 2.2 billion people who call themselves Christian can't agree on the definition, how is a person on the outside to understand?

 

[CLAX1911]

If there is a " paradigm of Christianity", a pattern; why are there 30,000+ groups calling themselves "Christian"?

because they follow the paradigm. They have a concept of God and that concept is largely contributed to buy the Bible not the Quran not the Torah. They are distinctively not Jewish they are distinctively not Hindu, they are distinctively not atheist.

That's a paradigm.

That question brings up another one- Who is a True Christian?

to wit I would point out the concept of a true Christian and an untrue Christian is an appeal to purity or a no true Scotsman fallacy.

So I don't operate within realms of true Christian or sort of Christian. If you believe Jesus is the messiah and you worship the God in the Bible that equates to being Christian.

If the 2.2 billion people who call themselves Christian can't agree on the definition, how is a person on the outside to understand?

don't worry about the minutiae. Focus on the fundamentals, follows the Bible believes Jesus is the messiah the God in the Bible.

Muslims worship the God in the Bible and they believe Jesus was a prophet but they do not believe he was the Messiah so therefore Muslims can't be Christian. Jews follow the Torah which is part of the Bible, they may believe Jesus was a prophet they made believe he was a heretic they do not believe he is the messiah so therefore they are not Christian fundamentally.

Jehovah's witnesses, Catholics, Assembly of God Pentecostal non-denominational Christians Lutheran's Presbyterians Mormons Greek Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Christians, Baptists, the episcopalians or Church of England, they all follow the Bible to some degree doctora not the talmud not the Quran, not any Buddhist religious text or Hindu religious text.

They fit the paradigm of Christianity.

If you ever want to know if someone is Christian I would suggest find out if they believe Jesus is the messiah and if they use or have a Bible.

That's the pattern that's the paradigm.

 

[mrjurrs]

this is just posturing I have no interest in that.
I only ever say what I mean. Sometimes it's just one sentence I believe in getting straight to the point.

So back to the point you don't believe in the paradigm of Christianity so how do you know something is Christian if you don't believe there's a pattern to it?

Because I was born in this culture. What's your point?

 

[CLAX1911]

Because I was born in this culture. What's your point?

That doesn't make sense. A culture is a paradigm. Within our culture there is religion that is also a paradigm.

not believing that it's a paradigm doesn't make sense.