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Whether Or Not A Gun Makes Your Home Safer Depends On...

lemmiwinx said:
My gun makes it unsafe for people or animals entering my house unannounced. Especially at night when I'm asleep. I don't like being woken up like that.
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Not sure if lack of being startled into a lack of capacity to plan, organise, initiate, self-monitor is good for promoting the 2nd. Just saying.
 
 
noonereal said:
Comparisons are the life blood of the false equivalency fallacy.

Like the wingnuts that compare a car to a gun.

All I do is laugh at them, they don't realize how uneducated that is.
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So noting that we regulate drugs, autos, etc. is useless in discussing gun regulations. Ok. You decide. What should we compare guns to? Speech might work, as we regulate that. Think about it and get back.
 
Nickyjo said:
What should we compare guns to?
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Nothing.

We have nothing else readily available in sociaty that was birthed in the want of tearing through living flesh for the purpose of slaughter from a distance to compare to.
 
Rucker61 said:
In the US, they'd be unconstitutional, ineffective or unenforceable, so not so good.

EDIT: compare their homicide rates before and after their gun laws were put in place.
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Good point. Other societies tend to be less violent. But I see gun control as part of an overall effort to deal with a huge problem we have, one that includes mental health services and inner city problems. But it’s absurd to eliminate the easy availability of guns as a factor. One can control guns without depriving gun owners of their rights. Even the NRA used to support gun control before it started pimping for the gun industry.
 
Nickyjo said:
One can control guns without depriving gun owners of their rights.
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Lets discuss how you want to reduce access to firearms without infringing the rights of lawful gun owners.
 
i know that Mafia guys and gangbangers always keep their guns locked security in their gun safes.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Of course, guns are dangerous to the bad guys, they're supposed to be. But in the right hands guns are very safe, to those you don't want to hurt.
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All guns do is cause harm .They only exist for that purpose. There is no reason to think for one second any gun is ever harmless to anyone.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
All guns do is cause harm .They only exist for that purpose. There is no reason to think for one second any gun is ever harmless to anyone.
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Well, since your first two sentences are wrong, the rest of your post, and your position, is worthless.
 
Nickyjo said:
We’d be better off with fewer guns in our society. Plainclothes police almost shot me, assuming I was armed. Fewer guns, fewer needless deaths. Somehow, countries similar to ours figured this out. But we have minority rule on this issue in the US due to often single issue politics.
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Sounds like a police problem, not a gun problem, since no gun was present.
 
Rucker61 said:
Well, since your first two sentences are wrong, the rest of your post, and your position, is worthless.
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When you pull the trigger, what comes out of it?

Not water. Not light. Not food. Not money.

A BULLET.

You know bullets do only one thing: go through the target, permanently damaging it.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
When you pull the trigger, what comes out of it?

Not water. Not light. Not food. Not money.

A BULLET.

You know bullets do only one thing: go through the target, permanently damaging it.
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If making holes in paper is "harm" in your mind, then the blunt tipped scissors of kindergarteners and first graders world wide are extraordinarily "harmful".

I have steel targets that go "ping" when struck by a bullet, and there is no damage to the target at all.
 
Rucker61 said:
If making holes in paper is "harm" in your mind, then the blunt tipped scissors of kindergartners and first graders world wide are extraordinarily "harmful."
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Your idiotic strawman is dismissed.
Rucker61 said:
I have steel targets that go "ping" when struck by a bullet, and there is no damage to the target at all.
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Show me a real human being who just pings after being shot.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Your idiotic strawman is dismissed.
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You're the one who described damaging paper as "harm".
Patriotic Voter said:
Show me a real human being who just pings after being shot.
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shifting the goalposts are we now?

Bullets hitting targets in lawful usage, causing no harm, happens orders of magnitude more often than bullets hitting people.
 
Rucker61 said:
Well, since your first two sentences are wrong, the rest of your post, and your position, is worthless.
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What can you expect from somebody whose against gun rights? Such people lack education so they're not going to have correct sentences.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Like this- https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-2-dead-1-wounded-shooting-texas-church-n1108311
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"A gunman fatally shot two people before parishioners shot and killed him at a church near Fort Worth, Texas, on Sunday, authorities said...."

Only in America would a dead gunman at the cost of TWO innocent people be considered a "win"
So you would assign every man, woman and child there own Secret Service then....ready to spring into action, the moment a gunman strikes ?

Not sure how these bodyguards would help prevent incidents like the Vegas shooting though?


As you seem to have got lost in the woods, you were talking about enforcing the laws, to PREVENT mass shootings from happening. You know, by the police ?
You know, like they just happened in Atlanta, Boulder, Indianapolis and Colorado Springs...
So the question still stands: HOW exactly, do you prevent mass shootings like those ?
 
TurtleDude said:
You apparently don't understand that many gun banners want the government to seize guns once they are declared contraband.
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Not until those same many declare the fourth to be void.
The only way I can agree to this is by agreeing that americans seem to have an obsession with thinking up stupid ways of doing things.

Would it not be more likely they will do what australia and nz have done which is declare a buy back on all guns banned.
 
TurtleDude said:
a government that was to seize guns honest folks have used legally for years is no longer a legal government
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An honest person who declares he will shoot anyone who tries to enforce a law is not as honest as he thinks.
 
soylentgreen said:
An honest person who declares he will shoot anyone who tries to enforce a law is not as honest as he thinks.
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what is DISHONEST about that? Do you believe that there is no ground to ever support someone fighting back?
 
soylentgreen said:
Not until those same many declare the fourth to be void.
The only way I can agree to this is by agreeing that americans seem to have an obsession with thinking up stupid ways of doing things.

Would it not be more likely they will do what australia and nz have done which is declare a buy back on all guns banned.
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and I doubt a compliance rate of more than 15%. Have you paid attention to the Bump stock nonsense?
 
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