Where Sexism Started and Why some Feminists Dislike Christians.

[Divergent]

I make this post as a (struggling) Christian and KNOW where sexism came from. The only reason I'm still Christian is because I know that "citizens" wrote the Bible long after Jesus died, (was it 95 years after Jesus died that the Bible became public?). Those citizens did what they do, they corrupted the story and movement by adding in their own thoughts.

.."Feminism is rebellion against God's AUTHORITY!"
Feminism is Evil!

Timothy 2:11-15 New International Version (NIV)

A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

^"Saved through childbearing" is weird. Because the Bible states child labor pains of all women FOREVER is because of Eve's INDIVIDUAL mistake of listening to the talking snake and eating an apple. What happened to turn the other cheek and forgive? Every woman ever will have child birth labor pains because Eve ate an apple...

If you ACTUALLY need more of such things as, "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord", view the link below;
-->What Does the Bible Say About The Man Being The Head Of The House?<--

EVERYONE NOTE that I am not making this thread as an NWO Hillary supporter. I'm simply not bias and educated.

 

[Henrin]

Why is this thread in the general political discussion forum? This has nothing to do with politics.

Anyway, both the husband and wife are to submit to their spouse. Why do people never keep reading once they get to the part about wives submitting to their husbands?

 

[Divergent]

Why is this thread in the general political discussion forum? This has nothing to do with politics.

Anyway, both the husband and wife are to submit to their spouse. Why do people never keep reading once they get to the part about wives submitting to their husbands?

If you don't know what it has to do with politics and why we haven't had a woman president by now, that's on you...Sorry.. Learn politics, the source, the Philosophy. Then respond.

Note that if this forum ever makes a "political philosophy" division, I'll never leave. And the general discussion will come decades after the philosophy. :mrgreen:

It's not a religious post. It's a post noting that Christians "discovered" America and still rule law by the "hands on" book.

Had to edit....I know Christians didn't find America..eace

 

[Henrin]

Oh, and the woman before Eve openly defied god, so really the first two women god created disobeyed him.

 

[Divergent]

Oh, and the woman before Eve openly defied god, so really the first two women god created disobeyed him.

Which god?

And do you care to use substance?

 

[Henrin]

Which god?

And do you care to use substance?

The same guy. He created a woman before Eve that refused to obey him and after god destoryed her he created Eve.

 

[Divergent]

The same guy. He created a woman before Eve that refused to obey him and after god destoryed her he created Eve.

Great substance....

 

[Crovax]

Great substance....

Almost as much substance as you making a thread about the Christian religion and then asking what God

 

[Divergent]

Almost as much substance as you making a thread about the Christian religion and then asking what God

He stated vaguely a "god". You do understand there are about 4200 gods out there? All followers are positive their god is the only god..

Anything to say about the topic Texas? Or should I just call it a win?

This IS DebatePolitics...not troll city..

Or should I bite and ask what woman the Christian god created before Eve. I'm all ears. Information is substance. Do you two have any?

 

[Divergent]

Thanks guys, I got bored enough to research what you were spewing without substance.

Lilith, Jewish mythology.

I'll read about her. But until then, try to stay on topic and not derail the post, THANKS lmao..:roll:

Edit, Lilith is a mythological "monster"! I'm so scared of women right now! I want to control them for ages!! lmao

 

[Henrin]

Great substance....

Look up the name Lilith. She refused to submit to Adam and refused to obey God.

 

[Henrin]

Thanks guys, I got bored enough to research what you were spewing without substance.

Lilith, Jewish mythology.

I'll read about her. But until then, try to stay on topic and not derail the post, THANKS lmao..:roll:

Edit, Lilith is a mythological "monster"! I'm so scared of women right now! I want to control them for ages!! lmao

I see. Well, the point was that Eve was not the first woman to disobey God, so whatever god punished women with is not entirely on eves shoulders.

 

[joG]

Why is this thread in the general political discussion forum? This has nothing to do with politics.

Anyway, both the husband and wife are to submit to their spouse. Why do people never keep reading once they get to the part about wives submitting to their husbands?

If we find feminism to be evil the general political repercussions will be notable.

 

[joG]

I make this post as a (struggling) Christian and KNOW where sexism came from. The only reason I'm still Christian is because I know that "citizens" wrote the Bible long after Jesus died, (was it 95 years after Jesus died that the Bible became public?). Those citizens did what they do, they corrupted the story and movement by adding in their own thoughts.

.."Feminism is rebellion against God's AUTHORITY!"
Feminism is Evil!

Timothy 2:11-15 New International Version (NIV)

A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

^"Saved through childbearing" is weird. Because the Bible states child labor pains of all women FOREVER is because of Eve's INDIVIDUAL mistake of listening to the talking snake and eating an apple. What happened to turn the other cheek and forgive? Every woman ever will have child birth labor pains because Eve ate an apple...

If you ACTUALLY need more of such things as, "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord", view the link below;
-->What Does the Bible Say About The Man Being The Head Of The House?<--

EVERYONE NOTE that I am not making this thread as an NWO Hillary supporter. I'm simply not bias and educated.

I believe that suppression of females rather predates Christmas.

 

[joG]

The same guy. He created a woman before Eve that refused to obey him and after god destoryed her he created Eve.

Okay. The first one didn't work very well. But the second got Adam into a mess too.

 

[spud_meister]

Look up the name Lilith. She refused to submit to Adam and refused to obey God.

She's a medieval Jewish folktale, included in a satirical text. Not exactly gospel.

 

[betuadollar]

We draw our identity from MA Bay and those that settled there were sexists long before they were Christian. Although they were decidedly less sexist than their Roman Catholic counterparts.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If you don't know what it has to do with politics and why we haven't had a woman president by now, that's on you...Sorry.. Learn politics, the source, the Philosophy. Then respond.

There is some onus on you to present your case in a clear and concise manner.
If someone asks for clarification, it may mean that your case has not been as well explained as you had assumed.

gl and happy debating, Divergent

 

[Divergent]

There is some onus on you to present your case in a clear and concise manner.
If someone asks for clarification, it may mean that your case has not been as well explained as you had assumed.

gl and happy debating, Divergent

The fact that you haven't debated my facts and only reflected that "maybe you aren't correct" is a sure sign I'm correct. Thanks.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The fact that you haven't debated my facts and only reflected that "maybe you aren't correct" is a sure sign I'm correct. Thanks.

That's some creative and novel reasoning you've got there.
It's interesting that my posts have the power to validate your beliefs. I am more powerful than I thought.
I hold the power of making something TRUE[SUP]tm[/SUP]

Attention everybody...
Until I make you posts true with my reply, your posts ain't got no validity.

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Seriously though, my posts do not have a bearing on the accuracy (or lack thereof) of your posts.
My posts exist independently of your assertions.

I was just pointing out that sometimes we are not as clear as we think we are in our writing. An outside eye can provide useful feedback esp when it comes to feedback about the clarity of presentation.

gl and happy debating, Divergent

 

[D_NATURED]

I understand that superstitious and religious behaviors are an evolved human trait and that the ideas are continuing to evolve with humanity, albethey slowly. However, I resent that so many people will defend misogyny because it says to in a book written long ago in a very dark period of human history.

I appreciate the OPs self described struggle with christianity. In a very similar way, I struggle to be patient with all of these human relics of faith and all of the ways they are perpetuated by frightened morons. We could have much kinder expressions of natural awe and less divisive, hateful, stupid gods, if we wanted them. Every time the faithful dip into antiquity to find contemporary answers, they fail to do that deliberately.

Adam and Eve are characters in a book, nothing more. And, if we are still using her as an excuse to treat women like inherently treacherous beings who can only redeem themselves through the suffering of childbirth, we are as crazy as that sounds and the effect upon our species will continue to plague the next generation. That's entirely unfair to the future women (and men) of this planet.

 

[Mr Person]

To be fair, the pagan Romans weren't exactly big on equality of the sexes.....

And neither was anyone who preceeded them.

 

[soot]

I'm simply not bias and educated.

For serious?

Virtually all civilizations throughout recorded human history have been patriarchal and it's likely that the same held thru for most prehistoric tribes and peoples as well.

Men have been in charge, basically, because for most of human history and pre-history women wouldn't have been able to survive without men's strength to protect them and provide for them.

Across much of today's world in places where the rule of law is only vaguely in existence and "might" still makes "right" societies are patriarchal.

The Bible is much more a matter of art reflecting life than vice versa.

Women weren't subjugated because 1 Timothy told people that they should be, 1 Timothy told people that women should be submissive because that's pretty much what most people believed and the way the world was.

It wasn't until fairly recently that people became fat, happy, and comfortable enough to start allowing women some rights and as "bad" as you may think things are in the developed world I'm sure you'll find that women are a lot worse off in the developing world.

Religion really has little or nothing to do with it.

 

[D_NATURED]

For serious?

Virtually all civilizations throughout recorded human history have been patriarchal and it's likely that the same held thru for most prehistoric tribes and peoples as well.

Men have been in charge, basically, because for most of human history and pre-history women wouldn't have been able to survive without men's strength to protect them and provide for them.

Across much of today's world in places where the rule of law is only vaguely in existence and "might" still makes "right" societies are patriarchal.

The Bible is much more a matter of art reflecting life than vice versa.

Women weren't subjugated because 1 Timothy told people that they should be, 1 Timothy told people that women should be submissive because that's pretty much what most people believed and the way the world was.

It wasn't until fairly recently that people became fat, happy, and comfortable enough to start allowing women some rights and as "bad" as you may think things are in the developed world I'm sure you'll find that women are a lot worse off in the developing world.

Religion really has little or nothing to do with it.

I have to disagree to the extent that there are a number of evolutionary biologists who believe that men evolved their physical strength for the very purpose of helping females raise children. The irony is that until females became free to enter the sciences, many of their observations would have gone unnoticed by their male predecessors.

As for religion having little to do with female subjugation, I find that an interesting take given that a number of posters on this very thread have quoted the bible as a justification for the way women have been and are treated. No doubt, the establishment religions have dragged their feet to change the way women are treated. I'd say that religion has a LOT to do with the modern excuses for treating women poorly. The right to lifers, who are dedicated to diminishing the legal standing of women, are a prime example of how religious rhetoric permeates this issue and the prevailing thought.

This issue is a demonstration of how tradition becomes a self-justifying excuse to continue it, even when the memes are objectively harmful. We have to let religion control us, some would argue, because it always has. Those traditionalists are the problem and the biggest barrier to progress.

 

[soot]

The right to lifers, who are dedicated to diminishing the legal standing of women...

Yeah, when your entire argument hinges on a histrionic straw man there isn't all that much of a reason to take you seriously.