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but I would think that is the writer of the articles is anti-homosexual, this might affect his ability /willingness to treat homosexuals fairly, be it for hiring, firing, etc. Allstate is probably concerned about expensive lawsuits being filed against them for wrongful and discriminatory practices.
alex said:The man has a right to his views, but Alstate has a right to employ the kind of people that they want. His right to post his views are not being taken away but Alstate's right to have their own kind of workers would be. They are a private organization and have the right to hire or fire who ever they please just like any private organization has the right to either hire, not hire, or fire gays.
alex said:The man has a right to his views, but Alstate has a right to employ the kind of people that they want. His right to post his views are not being taken away but Alstate's right to have their own kind of workers would be. They are a private organization and have the right to hire or fire who ever they please just like any private organization has the right to either hire, not hire, or fire gays.
JustineCredible said:Actually firing and hiring practices based on Sexual Orientation, gender, age, physical ability (granted within reasonable limitations) and race is left up to the state in which the business is practicing.
Allstate's home offices are located in Northbrook, Illinois. Illinois just passed legislation adding "sexual orientation" to their state's constitutional "Anti-Discrimination Act," which already included everything else but sexual orientation. The new addition to the laws took affect June 1, 2005.
vauge said:Isn't there a distinct difference between writing an editoral about your thoughts than acting on it in the workplace? I would think of that as freedom of speech.
ElGringo17 said:Justine, it would appear based upon your offensive avatar that you are intolerant and bigoted against religious people....
JustineCredible said:Whoa, where did I say anything to the contrary?
If the man in question only wrote an editorial about his dislike of the practice then firing him would be abuse of his employers power, yes. But...one must also understand that Illinois is an "at will" employment state. Meaning Allstate can fire anyone at any time without notice. If the man in question has proof that Allstate did infact fire him utilizing cause, he must also be prepaired to prove what that cause was.
Granted, at this time, I have not read the article in question. I shall do so before going any further with this discussion.
vauge said:Yep, I thought we would agree on this one.
Texas has a "right to work" state as well and can be fired for any reason.
But, I think Allstate is gunna loose some money on this one. I would not doubt the ACLU will get involved as well.
We don't have any facts to back up our claim, but let us go ahead and publish it anyway. :roll:According to an investigation by the state of Illinois' Department of Employment Security related to Barber's claim for unemployment benefits, an organization – likely a "gay"-rights group – complained to Allstate about the column.
Really? Is that why he stayed there so long?The training, Barber says, "is really indoctrination hostile toward thousands of employees' Christian beliefs."
Well, there's always COBRA, and boxing, and writing really unintelligent drivel to sell.Allstate was fully aware of our new arrival and that Sarah was still recovering from her C-section surgery when they callously snatched away both our medical insurance and our means of providing for our young family.
Yeah, they just "happened" to know where he was employed and wait he did without him ever telling anyone. Puh-leeze.Barber says he did not include that fact in the original column submission but that the site "disclosed that without my knowledge or consent."
Well, play with the bull, get the horns and such and so on. At some point in time he mentioned to one of these publishers in his bio line. I can completely see why Allstate would want to distance themselves from a fool like this person.The columnist told WND even if he had included a reference to Allstate in his bio, "I wasn't intimating that I was representing Allstate or that these were the views of Allstate."
Datamonkee said:"Allstate terminates manager over homosexuality column
On own time, man posted anti-'gay' article insurance giant says didn't reflect its values "
This was the headline that caught my eye.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44961
Here is the article. I didn't want to infringe on any copyright issues, so I did not post the entire article. In a nutshell, the gentleman in question was fired because he felt that Allstate was forcing him to accept a practice that he finds "sinful" according to his belief system. He posted "anti-gay" articles on his own time, from the privacy of his own house, and a "pro-gay" organization put 2 and 2 together and complained about him, leading to his termination. According to his statement, he never mentioned Allstate in any form that would say that he was a spokesperson for the insurance giant, and that the only reason that someone knew he worked there, was because the forum he posted regularly on published his profile with is work title along with the article. http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?storyid=1484
And there is the article he wrote. You won't see Allstate mentioned anywhere.
Do you think Allstate went too far?
Navy Pride said:Bottom line is gays say straights are intolerant when in fact it is the gays who are the intolerant ones........
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