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Where is my party.

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I'm a heart a Libertatian.

I am the only Libertarian here that I have seen. One guy claimed to be and even made that his name. I took him to the wood shed.

Now there are two kinds of Libertarian. Those with the motto: "If it doesn't harm anyone else then it sould be legel".

And the other kind: Similar motto but with SOME logical exceptions.

On this thread I will post every so often. When I feel that point has ran it's course , I will add another post.
I will make two statements of MY political beliefs. One pro conservative. One pro liberal. Or against, however it works out.

For an example: "I hate clowns, but I love red round rubber ball noses."

The point I will try to make here is how can so many be in complete agreement with the Democrats or Republicans. It astounds me. Leads me to believe that most peoples political leanings comes from someone else. My opinion is that the Libertarian Party, (not the nut case side of them) takes the best of both main parties and throws out the trash. Logic, I feel, prevails.

Some of my posts will be two side of the same coin"
I like the circus, but I'm afraid of clowns.
Or not:
I like the circus. I hate crowds.

Don't try to "read" anything into these. I'm just saying, "Where's my party".

Once one subject is explored we will drop it and go to the next. Leave the old alone please. These threads have a way off getting off topic.

If there are those who don't wanna play by the rules, I implore the rest to chastise them, and ignore their comments. I put this in the basement because we get to say what we think, and guests don't get to view them. And it's close to the monkey pens.

I will post my two view points. (One pro liberal, one pro conservative). I may or may not extrapolate. Then it's up to you to debate the two given points. Please folks if this is to suceed I need your cooperation. You think I'm a dic*k? Then go say so on the Top Ten thread. Part of it is teacher abuse, given or taken.

Class ib session.
 
Topic #1. Taxes.


Pro Conservative: I don't think anyone should pay a higher percentage of income tax than any other.

Pro Liberal: The rich can afford to pay more, after all, they have more.

Answer: Consumption tax. Food is exempt. First 10k or 20k is rebateable. You are only taxed on what you spend. The rich spend WAY more. No don't bring all the usual arguments here, stick with the topic. I, teacher, of the massive brain, want to learn.

Why doesn't the libs or cons want this? Takes away the power over the taxpayer.

Think about it people. Even if you make your money on the side, you still have to buy stuff.
 
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/economy/jan-june05/consumption_3-3.html

I just watched this teach. It is from March 3 of this year... very insightful into the pro's and con's of this issue.

One question I have though... if a national sales tax, if you will, is put into place... wouldn't those living in states with a sales tax be taxed twice? How would that work?

I do believe the idea has merit. The point was raised on the newshour clip about lower and middle income families having their tax burdens, under a consumption tax, raised, because they generally need to spend more of their earned dollars, and save very little. Whereas upper income families generally spend more, but also can save a heck of alot more.

Both sides agreed there will be challenges in setting this up and keeping it balanced among all earning levels. I relish discussion on this issue, and hope to find more

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109xIZU5I::

Fair Tax Act of 2005. For those who haven't seen it.
 
Teacher, you aren't a libertarian, you're a dumbass.
 
jakurus said:
Teacher, you aren't a libertarian, you're a dumbass.
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you're a jerk! He's making a serious point here about the failures of the two parties, and makes a long thought out statement, and your response is essentially to verbally drool on yourself.
 
This is the basement and I don't like teacher.

FLAME ON - Costanza
 


Rich people might spend way more than poor people, but poor people spend everything they make. In fact, they spend more. My ex-economic professor (who I'm beginning to distrust more and more...thanks galenrox:2razz: ) said that the poorer people spend 120% of their income.

It's basically the same idea of a flat tax, with the same problem.

Let's say there's a 10% consumption tax.

One guy makes 10,000 a year, and spends 12,000. He ends up paying 1,200 in taxes. A huge chunk for a guy that makes 10,000.

Now we have another guy who makes 100,000 a year, and spends 60,000. He'll be paying 6,000. Not all that terrible to a guy making 100,000.

Good thread by the way.
 
 


Hmm...I kinda like it. Although you'd have to make it sorta high. Most people just don't spend more that 50 grand a year. So you'd have a 40-30K window in which you could tax people.

Two things:

There's a new libertarian donkey. Not really a donkey, but I'm not quite sure what they are called. Go into join user group under user cp, or something like that. You're a smart guy, you'll figure it out. vague was nice enough to make some new symbols, so I'm bugging everyone to use them.

Your pm box is full. Fix it yo.
 
 
Wait, I just thought of a really bad side. The paper work. You would have to keep track of every single thing you bought until you reached 10 or 20,000 so you could get your rebate. That's a lot of receipts. So would other necessities like heat and water count?
 
jakurus said:
Teacher, you aren't a libertarian, you're a dumbass.
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Okay genius, I'll take the dumbass one. Since your so smart explain to me why I am not a Libertarian. Specificaly. Better have your shi*t right or I'll read your posts and then shred your ass. First. Please expain to me the basic tenant of the Libertarian party. Oh my I can smell blood. Dumbass? Is that the best you can do. Junior, you better go read some of my smack posts and either recant or come up with something better than "dumbass". This is your one and only warning.
 

There is no paperwork. The IRS is gone. The poor are granted a rebate on their first whatever. They made 20k. Rebate so much. Around 23%. So Uncle Sam writes them a check for 4600$. After 20k they pay 23% like everyone else. They pay tax on water after their first 20k. Next.
 
jakurus said:
This is the basement and I don't like teacher.

FLAME ON - Costanza
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Slack-jawed, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, sloped-foreheaded, bogger-eating, ugly-little-Barney-loving-spineless-sap, you probably don't like Pez either. Yea, this IS the basement. Act accordingly, please. Or I'll have to get ugly. Notice your dumb ass didn't read the part in post #1 about leaving the insults in TT's and teacher abuse. So I thought I'd be stupid like YOU.

Class dismissed. Pansey.
 
 
 
This thread is dead. How quickly my point (one of them) is proven. A consumption tax makes too much sense. Both parties want nothing to do with it as it takes away their power. Folks on this site for the most part can't address it because it's not part of their "learned" talking points. They can't address it because they haven't been "told" what to think. Sad really. Shows me people on this site are more concerned with the fight than what the fight is about. Some other topics on this thread might have been "oil" and "term limits", and how both parties have put the public against each other to further their run on power and money. Strangely similar to the ruling class of the Arabs. Their people should be more concerned with how can so few benifit from a natural resource. Instead their leaders have managed to deflect their attention to "The Great Satan" all while holding onto their power and wealth. Keep watching American Idol folks. Let me know when Tom Cruise gets his braces off. After all, these seem to be the important things in life.

Rarely have I seen a topic reach what should be a logical conclusion on this site. There are only so many points to be made. I find both sides lie to win a argument. An argument won by deceit must feel a hollow victory indeed. I find myself on this site growing more and more away from debate with those that can't answer a direct question to the mere fun of top tens and baiting liars like champs. So many questions I have asked that have not been answered.

To the supporters of the Islamic fanatics. Defend the TARGETTING OF CHILDREN.

To the believers that our government orchestrated 9/11. Find one fault in all my posts.

To those that say Bush lied. What lies exactly did he tell?

To champs. Explain the "Monkey Fiasco".

Big one here. To all those who say we have no right to invade a soveriegn nation. I've asked, "In a country where half the population can't go to school, can't vote, can't learn to read, have no say in who they marry, can't work, can't hold public office, can't dress how they want, ect. wouldn't that be the definition of slaves in any other context? Oh you all so resoundly answer yes to that. Then comes, with our great military and economic might is it not our moral obligation to do something about that? Again yes. Then explain to me the difference between Arab women and slaves? Not an answer yet. Guess that one has not been included in your "talking points".

To those that think we live in a Democracy. I say "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner". Tell me different. No takers yet.

To those of you who say France doesn't suck. You suck too.

To Sqwaker. Sorry to see you go. You played it low key with the best of them.

To cnredd. I bet you're ugly. Just what's needed in the command of my monkey army.

1300 posts folks. Show me where I have been proven wrong. Use copy and paste. Yea, that's a challange. About the only things I've learned here (list here) is that waters smallest volume is at 4 degrees. Thank you Kelzie. Check that thread out if you want to see some all around stupidity. Tetracide confirmed my belief that China did indeed abstain from sanctions against Iraq. Naughty Nurse confirmed my belief that the term "bumbershoot" may have come from a Disney movie. Gandhi>Bush is a paid killer. GySgt confirmed all that I thought is going on on the ground. I've learned that if you know something and don't provide a link that someone else will provide it for you to the consternation of the one who cried, "I demand a source". I suck at spelling with out spellcheck. That I, teacher, of the massive brain, define RANT. No one has yet out smacked me. I want to see it. I can LEARN from him. That I'm the first to use the sig line (maybe) as a changing billboard that no one can get away from. Every time I change it it shows up in 1300 different places immeadiatly. Sweet.

The moral of the story?

Smoking is bad for your health. (Okay someone, where does that come from?) J.I. If you're so friggin smart?

Note to self: Maybe this aint such a good idea.

Did you all see where I said I have 1300 posts? Prove me wrong with copy and paste? Well? That's a lot of shi*t to remember. I'm saying I'm right. That is a very big thing to say. Very arrogent of me. Big chance here. I'm either confident or crazy. Serious stuff only please. Hmmmm.

Free the women.
 
teacher said:
To cnredd. I bet you're ugly. Just what's needed in the command of my monkey army.
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Six hours of facial reconstructive surgery will do that to ya...

I always say I'm going to sue the surgeon that put my face back together...

I'm gonna go up to the judge and say, "Your honor...I look like me!...Then he'll say to the surgeon..."Pay the man."
 
Yay I got mentioned!!!

On the note of Arab women's rights, I am reading Reading Lolita in Tehran. It makes me, as a liberal wonder. Why is it okay to treat women like that? Is that something we should accept? If it happened in my country, I would give my life to doing something about it. Why is it okay when it happens it another country?

And than the realistic side kicks in. It is unrealistic to invade all Arab countries. If Bush had really wanted to free the women, he would have invaded Saudi Arabia, which is much more oppresive. And I don't think he lied, I think he acted on faulty info. Which also sucks.

Forgot to say: Hey teach, let's get back on topic. Do another one of those liberals are wrong, conservatives are wrong thingies.
 


hehe not to go back off topic... but I am reading that book too!!!! I started it a few weeks ago, and just replunged into it I wanted to read it before school starts and i get my butt kicked again.:2razz:


I don't think Bush is out to free the women... in any country... and if he were.. he definetly wouldn't start with our allie saudi arabia.... why would he do anything like that?
 

Totally agree. But if he was, would you support it?
 

I think that's a GREAT idea, and there would be no tax "loopholes".
 
I am a socialist at heart but they wont get enough support to do anything so I usually support democrats in elections, but I am pissed off with the current democratic party trying to play the middle man. They need to get some spine and point out how idiotic the conservative agenda is right now. that might save them
 
well a problem that I see is that a lot of people equate back bone with radicalism, and thus a lot of people don't think that one can be a moderate and have spine. Like, I hate both parties with a passion, but up until Bush I liked republicans more than democrats, and now its vice versa, and so I'm essentially a moderate, and I have a lot of spine about my beliefs.
 

I was wondering why you.......put it like this. I find little difference between you and I, EXCEPT FOR MY FRIGGIN MOM, but she seems happy. Check out the reasonable Libertarian party. It's a wasted vote for sure, but damn sure has a lack of representation on this site. Cept for me of course.

I'll say it again. Libertarian party seems to take the logical of both parties and throws the rest away. But they can't seen to get a foot hold. Why is that? I know. Follow the MONEY. Until the majority learn to think for them self and read between the medias and the the party lines, we are doomed to stay this course.

For myself. I'll listen to ALL OZZY and see who I can annoy.

It's my niche.
 
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