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Does anyone know? Where does he promote being mean, selfish and hateful?
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Where in the Bible does Jesus get mad at people who are too loving and have too much generosity? Where does he promote oppression?
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Tilting at windmills, I see?
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How many anti trans threads have you seen here?
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You would have to first convince me that recognizing a person's biological sex qualifies as "oppression".
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And you just illustrated that you missed the point.
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Jesus accepted the power structure and social order of the world as it was and instructed his disciples to do the same in Mark chapter 12 verses 14-17:
“And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.”
“And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.”
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No, I didn't. You'd need to make a point first.
That's not exactly how it reads...leave it to the KJV to screw it up...Jesus was referring to paying taxes...
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They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?
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“Teacher,” they said, “we know how honest you are. You are impartial and don’t play favorites. You teach the way of God truthfully. Now tell us—is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?
English Standard Version
And they came and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are true and do not care about anyone’s opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?”
Berean Standard Bible
“Teacher,” they said, “we know that You are honest and seek favor from no one. Indeed, You are impartial and teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay them or not?”
New American Standard Bible
They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and do not care what anyone thinks; for You are not partial to anyone, but You teach the way of God in truth. Is it permissible to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not?
NASB 1995
They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not?
NASB 1977
And they came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful, and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not?
https://biblehub.com/mark/12-14.htm
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If you actually seriously study the bible most of it is about you and how you can be accountable to yourself and others while serving God as your savior and spreading the word of God. Jesus understood sin, vices, and the human condition. It's far more complex than unconditional love, blind generosity, and helping people destroy themselves. Despite of what people say, religion has a far better track record of actually helping and saving people because they know how people think and behave.
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The question of taxes has a deeper meaning. The Pharisees were hoping that Jesus would say the Roman taxes should not be paid thereby promoting sedition by challenging the authority of the Roman Emperor and Roman rule. The entire point of their questioning was to lead him into a confession of a crime. But they were confounded because Jesus never had any intention of leading or inspiring a revolution against the political or social order.
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How many foreign Nationals here illegally have you invited to live with you? That would be compassion.
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Only for comparison to other versions...it is one of the least accurate translations there is...
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Hmmm... interesting. What is the best translation?
Well, now you already know my answer...I prefer the NWT because it uses God's name in every place the Tetragrammaton was in manuscripts and it also uses the original words Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus instead of hell like the KJV but the Bible in Living English is decent, as well as the Emphasized Bible and the American Standard...
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Okay, thanks.
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I don't know that chapter of the Bible.
Or are you just mad that Jesus isn't a hater?
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And that, folks, is how one takes Jesus's message and convolutes it to allow hate and oppression.
And the funniest part is that Jesus Christ, if he was at our Southern border, would be the person who is hated and oppressed by those carrying Bibles.
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Love the sinner, hate the sin. When you make the sin your identity it becomes hard for the sinner to differentiate between hate of the sin and hate for the sinner.
Jude 1:23
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He also advocated following the law. He also loves everyone but doesn't allow those who sin and do not ask forgiveness and give themselves to him to join him in heaven.
- Luke 15:1-7: Jesus says that there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who do not need repentance.
- Matthew 4:17: Jesus preaches, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
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Evangelicals and Republicans traded their last remaining mores and ethics for political power/agenda.
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People are not allowed to break the rules, defy the law, commit sin and just get away with it. Even God holds us accountable and demands repentence.
The phrase is a response from Jesus to a question from the Pharisees about whether it was right to pay taxes to Caesar, the Roman ruler of Palestine. Jesus knew the Pharisees were trying to trap him, so he avoided debate and instead said, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God”.
The phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity, secular government, and society. It can be interpreted to mean that Christians have obligations to the civil government (represented by Caesar) and to God.
- Matthew 22:21: “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's”
- Mark 12:17: “Give Caesar what is his, and give God what is his”
- Luke 20:25: “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's”
The phrase is a response from Jesus to a question from the Pharisees about whether it was right to pay taxes to Caesar, the Roman ruler of Palestine. Jesus knew the Pharisees were trying to trap him, so he avoided debate and instead said, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God”.
The phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity, secular government, and society. It can be interpreted to mean that Christians have obligations to the civil government (represented by Caesar) and to God.
- Mark 12:17 Jesus said, “Give Caesar what is his, and give God what is his.” Their mouths hung open, speechless. And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Cæsar the things that are Cæsar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him. And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him. Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and give to God the things that are God’s.” The men were amazed at what Jesus said. And Jesus said unto them, Render unto Cæsar the things that are Cæsar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled greatly at him. Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him. And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at Him. Jesus said to them, “Pay to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were greatly amazed at Him. “Well, then,” Jesus said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” His reply completely amazed them. Jesus said, “Precisely. The coin bears the image of the emperor Caesar, so you should pay the emperor his portion. But because you bear the image of God, you must give to God all that belongs to him.” Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.
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