Where are all the real democrats?

[JohnnyDollar]

not a DEMOCRACY !

A couple of points about this video.

A republic, IMO, is the correct way for a country to run itself. Minimal government, voted by the people.
Problem is, we don't have neither a republic or a democracy. I have to laugh when I hear democrats talking about some miniscule event like Jan 6th, as a "Threat to our democracy."
Because behind the scenes, especially with Nancy Pelosi, there's thing called "committee's" where bills and amendments go for corporate and special interest lobbyist to approve or disapprove.
In Pelosi's last several term, she has not allowed ANY amendments on the house floor. Every amendment from any representative that he/she wants to introduce, has to go through committee first. At least that's how it is now a days. Starting with Pelosi, then carried on with Ryan, the amendments introduced on the house floor have gotten fewer and fewer, Pelosi was first one to not allow ANY amendments without committee approval first.
Honestly, when I first learned about this, It didn't really seem to matter either way. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that not only does the lobbyist have control over our government. But the very people that are elected to ensure our republic, even those that praise a "democratic republic," are the very ones who are destroying it.
You see, each representative is elected to do his part in DC. To offer not only votes, but bills and amendments that will benefit the people in his district. But by not allowing any bills or amendments to the house floor without committee approval, then there's no chance for either a republic or a democratic republic.
And so, the whole idea of a republic now a days, is just words they use to pacify voters.
Democrats claim they're in support of democracy. But they support Pelosi, who's allowing the lobbyist to accept or reject bills or Amendments.

As far as the correct way of defining the Left - right paradigm, I like this video.

It's called the liberty dial. I makes more sense to me. Although the way your video put it, was very spot on.

 

[j brown's body]

I don't think it was lies as much as it was a shift in priorities within the parties. Democrats and big business have been aligned for quite some time now but lately it's gotten too blatant to hide.

They want to raise their taxes.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Despite Republican opposition, there are still very good union jobs. You said Democrats used to be for the working man, well they still are, and I should know, having worked a union job which provided me a good wage, job security and early retirement from that job with a solid pension. This is what the right abhors and fights against! They try to union bust at every turn.
You sound like you are being fed the radical right talking points, and the truth is a little more, as they say, somewhere in-between.

American jobs began the process of leaving for China in the 1980s, the Reagan era. Prroooooffiiiiittsssss!!!!!!! A very well loved word among big business and their well paid political toadies, and that's profits at all costs except to them.

There's nothing to brag about when it comes to being a union employee. Because of the way the democrats and republicans have allowed the Federal Reserve to run as they wish, with almost no oversight, the actual value of the USD has shrunk, causing many companies and corporations to move to china and Mexico. And unions helped with that. Especially in the north east, where there are many states that aren't "right to work" states.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all in favor of employee's coming together and fighting against unfair labor rates and labor itself. I've had some pretty crappy bosses that I wished we could've organized against, and had thrown out. The threat of a strike is always a good thing. But only to an extent.
I have a nephew who works for one of the big 3 car manufacturers. He's on the production line. And say he watches at least 2 movies per day on his phone. And he's getting like $30hr. Free healthcare (free for him).
Which is why a dayum pickup truck starts at almost $30,000. Just a base model.
That, IMO is price gouging labor costs. And it's all because of the unions. When the unions got in bed with government, that's when it got screwed up.

BTW, good for you, for having a good job. Even if it is a union job. I ain't knocking union employee's. But more so the corrupt leadership of the unions and being in bed with our government. Especially when they all the cost of good and labor to be so expensive that it hurts the average working class folks who don't make good union money.

 

[trouble13]

They want to raise their taxes.

They should do that while they are in charge of everything.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

They should do that while they are in charge of everything.

They should raise taxes on liberals & progressives.

 

[noonereal]

I'm no republican (not my any stretch of the imagination). But I swear the left has lost their minds.

Well, I am a republican, I too think the left have lost their minds in some respects but they are no threat to democracy and they have not brought us to the precipice of a civil war.

The GQP has.

 

[Cork]

I don't think it was lies as much as it was a shift in priorities within the parties. Democrats and big business have been aligned for quite some time now but lately it's gotten too blatant to hide.

I don't understand why you guys keep repeating this lie. It's so easily disproven.

Democrats are for higher taxes on corporations, trying to raise minimum wage so big corporates doesn't make 200x than the average employee, more corporations regulations and trying to get cooperate money out of elections.

I don't get this idea of repeating the same lie would one day make it true but it doesn't work that way.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

It used to be said that the democrats were for the working class Americans. They were very much nationalist. Growing up, I heard that the democrats were for the working man.
And it seemed there was some truth to that.
They were the first to support fences along our southern borders, to keep illegals from coming here taking the working mans job.
They used to support doing something about the Federal Reserve, who continually over inflated the value of the USD, forcing the value of the USD into the toilet.
They fought for womens rights.
They fought against true racism.
IIRC, they fought against Reagan opening up so much foreign investment.
Their biggest selling point to NAFTA, was how many American jobs it would create.

But apparently, all of that was just a lie to get votes. Because now, not only is the left supporting more jobs leaving the US with these trade deals. They actually fought against Trump and his trade war with China. A war that Trump supported because so many American jobs have left for China.
They don't support shutting down our southern border to keep illegals and soooo many supposed refugee's out.
They don't say a word about how the over inflated USD is causing $10hr to become a poverty wage.
They'd rather fight for the transgirl to beat up on biological women in sports. Especially high school sports. In fact, if a biological female is opposed to transgirls competing against biological females, they're quick to bash the real female.
When it comes to racism, they support a democrat lead system that keeps more minorities in the ghetto and hooked on welfare. Fact: When a black person that didn't allow anything to keep them from success, and speaks out against the racist system, he's called an "Uncle Tom," or some other childish name.
Also, the left cares more about the homeless violent thugs, more so than their victims. They want to see druggies get free drugs, a place where they can do these drugs (paid for with tax dollars), where the police aren't allowed. They'll say it's "inhumane" to take a violent druggy thug out and away from a free society. Like in prison, where they can't create a victim in the free world. In fact, you rarely hear the left stand up for victims of the violent druggy thugs. Even though many of their victims are working class Americans.

I'm no republican (not my any stretch of the imagination). But I swear the left has lost their minds.

Posting limitations make impossible a proper response to all of your ridiculous blathering, so I’ll just 2nd Blue Tex’s comment.

 

[j brown's body]

They should do that while they are in charge of everything.

It contradicts your assertion that the Dems are cozing up to them.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No, you're not a Republican. You're a Trump supporting "conservative". You are very different than a real Republican. Just like Trump was not a Republican. Still isn't.

Run a better candidate in 2024 if Biden makes you cry.

Trumpster or Trumplican works for me.

And you’re right about Trump. He is a RINO.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It used to be said that the democrats were for the working class Americans. They were very much nationalist. Growing up, I heard that the democrats were for the working man.
And it seemed there was some truth to that.
They were the first to support fences along our southern borders, to keep illegals from coming here taking the working mans job.
They used to support doing something about the Federal Reserve, who continually over inflated the value of the USD, forcing the value of the USD into the toilet.
They fought for womens rights.
They fought against true racism.
IIRC, they fought against Reagan opening up so much foreign investment.
Their biggest selling point to NAFTA, was how many American jobs it would create.

But apparently, all of that was just a lie to get votes. Because now, not only is the left supporting more jobs leaving the US with these trade deals. They actually fought against Trump and his trade war with China. A war that Trump supported because so many American jobs have left for China.
They don't support shutting down our southern border to keep illegals and soooo many supposed refugee's out.
They don't say a word about how the over inflated USD is causing $10hr to become a poverty wage.
They'd rather fight for the transgirl to beat up on biological women in sports. Especially high school sports. In fact, if a biological female is opposed to transgirls competing against biological females, they're quick to bash the real female.
When it comes to racism, they support a democrat lead system that keeps more minorities in the ghetto and hooked on welfare. Fact: When a black person that didn't allow anything to keep them from success, and speaks out against the racist system, he's called an "Uncle Tom," or some other childish name.
Also, the left cares more about the homeless violent thugs, more so than their victims. They want to see druggies get free drugs, a place where they can do these drugs (paid for with tax dollars), where the police aren't allowed. They'll say it's "inhumane" to take a violent druggy thug out and away from a free society. Like in prison, where they can't create a victim in the free world. In fact, you rarely hear the left stand up for victims of the violent druggy thugs. Even though many of their victims are working class Americans.

I'm no republican (not my any stretch of the imagination). But I swear the left has lost their minds.

Who died and made you God, so you could decide who the "real" democrats are?

We aren't listening to MAGA fans, I can tell you that much.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I did not claim they did not back republicans too. Democrats are the ones who claim they are not attached which is clearly false. Your whataboitism does not hide that Democrats are in the hip pockets of industry leaders.

Are you a communist?

 

[diz]

They were also racist as hell. You miss that about them. Don't you?

well, there’s your answer.

*Real* Democrats are all about calling whomever they can a racist these days. Unless of course that someone has a ”D” after their name.

If we just look at the titles of threads initiated by Democrats on this website we can get a pretty good feeling about where their priorities lie.

 

[ClaraD]

and you think that Trump was for the working class? He despises the working class and thinks that you are dirty...and beneath him.

Let's talk about what they did to the working class....they oppress it.....take a look at some of those red states...

To get ahead in life and get a better upper hand...you need an education...yet the bottom of the barrel states on this are nearly all red. Ironically, the ones that spend the least on education are also the worst...

States with the worst poverty rates

Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Kentucky, Arkansas, West Virginia, Alabama, Oklahoma, Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas and North Carolina. Only one of those is blue...the rest are red....care to explain, if they care so much about the working class, why they have the worst poverty rates in the nation?

 

[JustAFella]

It used to be said

Here is where I knew the rest of your post would be some kind of imagined propaganda.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

and you think that Trump was for the working class? He despises the working class and thinks that you are dirty...and beneath him.

Why is it so hard for you people to not focus on Trump, 24/7, 365? He's not the president anymore. And not even close to what this thread is about.

Let's talk about what they did to the working class....they oppress it.....take a look at some of those red states...

You never listed what "they" actually did in the red states. Or didn't do, for that matter. You just sort of made the statement, then moved on as if you actually explained something.

To get ahead in life and get a better upper hand...you need an education...yet the bottom of the barrel states on this are nearly all red. Ironically, the ones that spend the least on education are also the worst...

Funny, there's a LOT of people in the south who don't even graduate high school. But still do OK in life. When I was in the oil field, I knew a lot of folks from Alabama who did very well for themselves. Pipeliners, truckers and all sort of "uneducated" folks doing good. Raising the families, providing a good home. Keeping their noses clean. Being a lazy bum has nothing to do with where you're from. Being smart also has nothing to do with geography. In fact, you're statement is HIGHLY bigoted. There's been a TON of extremely smart folks who done some very good things for this country.

States with the worst poverty rates


Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Kentucky, Arkansas, West Virginia, Alabama, Oklahoma, Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas and North Carolina. Only one of those is blue...the rest are red....care to explain, if they care so much about the working class, why they have the worst poverty rates in the nation?

All those states used to be democrat strongholds. And people voted in the republicans hoping for change. When the pendulum swings back to democrat, they'll still be more poor than rich. Why? Because being a loyal party member to either party, has nothing to do with your willingness to improve your life.


Now, if you don't mind. Maybe we could get back to the topic of the thread? As in why the democrat party isn't for the working class America anymore.
If you want to discuss this topic about the republicans, please start a thread about it.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

well, there’s your answer.

*Real* Democrats are all about calling whomever they can a racist these days. Unless of course that someone has a ”D” after their name.

If we just look at the titles of threads initiated by Democrats on this website we can get a pretty good feeling about where their priorities lie.

She was real quick with the race card, right? That's typical for her though.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Here is where I knew the rest of your post would be some kind of imagined propaganda.

I'm thinking you was looking for a reason to not address why democrats are so much in support of transpeople, illegals and druggies, instead of the working class Americans.

You didn't find it. So you just picked the first sentence. It was easier to ignore the facts that way.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Trumpster or Trumplican works for me.

And you’re right about Trump. He is a RINO.

LMAO.. I haven't voted for a republican since 2012. But you go ahead and believe what you want to believe. If that helps you focus on how the democrats are taking a HUGE dump on the American working class.

 

[ClaraD]

Why is it so hard for you people to not focus on Trump, 24/7, 365? He's not the president anymore. And not even close to what this thread is about.


You never listed what "they" actually did in the red states. Or didn't do, for that matter. You just sort of made the statement, then moved on as if you actually explained something.


Funny, there's a LOT of people in the south who don't even graduate high school. But still do OK in life. When I was in the oil field, I knew a lot of folks from Alabama who did very well for themselves. Pipeliners, truckers and all sort of "uneducated" folks doing good. Raising the families, providing a good home. Keeping their noses clean. Being a lazy bum has nothing to do with where you're from. Being smart also has nothing to do with geography. In fact, you're statement is HIGHLY bigoted. There's been a TON of extremely smart folks who done some very good things for this country.


All those states used to be democrat strongholds. And people voted in the republicans hoping for change. When the pendulum swings back to democrat, they'll still be more poor than rich. Why? Because being a loyal party member to either party, has nothing to do with your willingness to improve your life.


Now, if you don't mind. Maybe we could get back to the topic of the thread? As in why the democrat party isn't for the working class America anymore.
If you want to discuss this topic about the republicans, please start a thread about it.

you people? Who is you people? You are a Trumper...so, yes, he is going to be used in the conversation. You are not a Republican nor are you a Democrat...you are a Trumper.

You made the allegation that these folks care about the working class more than Democrats and that Democrats don't....yet, you don't point out any facts to back yourself up with....fancy words isn't support or helping the working class. Bigoted? I am a Southerner....by birth and choice....so, what is bigoted about it?
You should want people to do more than okay in life...and no not graduating high school doesn't afford them the ability to do more than mediocre in life....and those are facts.

All of those states haven't been Democratic strongholds in forever. The 1960s came and went 60 years ago....so, if Republicans couldn't fix the issues in 60 years, they suck at their job.


To be a trucker, you have to minimum have a GED....you cannot become a trucker without having a high school diploma or GED....so, folks that dropped out in 9th grade are eliminated from that pool...you must be 90 if you don't know that.

 

[JustAFella]

I'm thinking you was looking for a reason to not address why democrats are so much in support of transpeople, illegals and druggies, instead of the working class Americans.

You didn't find it. So you just picked the first sentence. It was easier to ignore the facts that way.

I don't think either party gives a shit about the middle class. A few idealists but they have been kept quiet.

Why do you think transpeople can't be working class?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Why is it so hard for you people to not focus on Trump, 24/7, 365? He's not the president anymore. And not even close to what this thread is about.

You brought him up in the OP.

 

[Cork]

and you think that Trump was for the working class? He despises the working class and thinks that you are dirty...and beneath him.

Let's talk about what they did to the working class....they oppress it.....take a look at some of those red states...

To get ahead in life and get a better upper hand...you need an education...yet the bottom of the barrel states on this are nearly all red. Ironically, the ones that spend the least on education are also the worst...

States with the worst poverty rates

Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Kentucky, Arkansas, West Virginia, Alabama, Oklahoma, Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas and North Carolina. Only one of those is blue...the rest are red....care to explain, if they care so much about the working class, why they have the worst poverty rates in the nation?

Facts don't matter to these people.

The States With the Highest and Lowest Minimum Wages

Workers in many states and cities have seen the minimum wage rise over the past few years, but there are still critics who question whether bumping up the pay floor is the right move.

www.route-fifty.com

This is the most clear example of why Republican run States are among the worst in poverty rate and are not for the working man.

I can not understand how anyone live off $7 an hour and pull themselves out of poverty.

 

[Big Brother]

Which real democrats? Has anyone ever bother to see how the Democratic Party has morphed over the last 200 years or so? To me it seems this party will say anything to help it win elections, but will do exactly what its powerful donors require at the time. Much like the Republican party says and actually does. Anybody who really studies the american political process will have started by following the money and immediately will find that the DNC and RNC are really locked in a battle to capture as many powerful donors as possible to help them win elections. Of course, when one party wins the first thing it has to do is pay back those powerful donors. Interestingly, those powerful donors are the last people who really believe there is a difference between left and right, they just analyze which party is the better bet to dupe the population into believing there is democracy and win, and they get behind that party. Kind of makes all these silly debates about left and right seem stupid and irrelevant, no?

 

[trouble13]

I don't understand why you guys keep repeating this lie. It's so easily disproven.

Democrats are for higher taxes on corporations, trying to raise minimum wage so big corporates doesn't make 200x than the average employee, more corporations regulations and trying to get cooperate money out of elections.

I don't get this idea of repeating the same lie would one day make it true but it doesn't work that way.

You are putting your ignorance on display when you label something you don't understand as a lie.