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When should abortion be allowed?

When should abortion be allowed?

  • Any time prior to cutting the umbilical cord

  • Any time prior to the babies head exiting the womb

  • Any time prior to the third trimester

  • Any time prior to the second trimester

  • Any time prior to the first trimester

  • Any time prior to the heartbeat being detectible

  • Any time prior to the baby being able to feel physical pain

  • Only the day after pill should be allowed

  • Abortion should be banned, except in cases of rape of potential harm to the mother

  • All abortions should be banned

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PoliticalDJ101

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What are folks views on abortion?

How important is avoiding sex before marriage?

Are there certain exceptions to when a abortion should be allowed?

Should contraception be illegal?

Is there any danger to giving a woman full control of when to abort?
 
Better question, when should abortion be penalized and who should be penalized?
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
What are folks views on abortion?

How important is avoiding sex before marriage?

Are there certain exceptions to when a abortion should be allowed?

Should contraception be illegal?

Is there any danger to giving a woman full control of when to abort?
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Wrong question.

When should abortion be the business of Big Government?
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
What are folks views on abortion?

How important is avoiding sex before marriage?

Are there certain exceptions to when a abortion should be allowed?

Should contraception be illegal?

Is there any danger to giving a woman full control of when to abort?
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You left out the correct answer: When the woman and her doctor decide it's the best course of action.
 
StarvedForChange said:
You left out the correct answer: When the woman and her doctor decide it's the best course of action.
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so the life should be able to be taken after the umbilical cord is cut? I didn't predict some folks would think that
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
Except from your response there's no way for me to know your actual position on the matter. So what is your position? At which stage should it be allowed?
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Please refer to post #5.
 
StarvedForChange said:
Please refer to post #5.
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That doesn't tell me anything. It's vague. This would leave me to believe that if the woman suddenly decided while giving birth, that they didn't want the baby even after it's whole body was out of the womb (everything except it's head) or even if the whole body were out of the womb, buts it's umbilical cord weren't yet severed, and there was no danger to the mother, that, you would still be ok with that baby being killed. Is that what you're saying?
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
That doesn't tell me anything. It's vague. This would leave me to believe that if the woman suddenly decided while giving birth, that they didn't want the baby even after it's whole body was out of the womb (everything except it's head) or even if the whole body were out of the womb, buts it's umbilical cord weren't yet severed, and there was no danger to the mother, that, you would still be ok with that baby being killed. Is that what you're saying?
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No.

Obviously that is not what he was saying.

Are you lying?

Or did you just not understand what you read?
 
NolanVoyd said:
No.

Obviously that is not what he was saying.

Are you lying?

Or did you just not understand what you read?
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He is being manipulative. He has a clear agenda here, which includes strawman arguments (claiming someone said something they didn't say)
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
What are folks' views on abortion?
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It's a sad, unfortunate thing that is sadly the best of a lot of bad options but should generally not be celebrated.

To me it's about balancing the rights of the two involved...

Early on (say first trimester or perhaps about 4-5 months max) I give major deference to the woman. Terminate the pregnancy as she sees fit

Middle, it's a balancing act. I'm generally supportive of it here in the case of health of the fetus, health of the mother, rape, incest.

Last trimester, my view is that the teeter Trotter of rights swings the other way. Life of the child, life of the mother, rape, incest only.


PoliticalDJ101 said:
How important is avoiding sex before marriage?
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I think it's something we should, as a society, encourage while also bring mindful that we shouldn't ostracize people for not living up to that ideal. I think there are far more positive benefits to society in going this route than glamorizing or glorifying premarital sex. There's efforts to limit criminal sanctions to people under 25 because their brain isn't fully developed, but we want to take an already difficult thing to mentally navigate (relationships) and inject steroids (sexual interaction) into it for young people? Yeah, not a good idea. Less premarital sex also means less single family home children. Less premarital sex means less STI’s.

PoliticalDJ101 said:
Are there certain exceptions to when a abortion should be allowed?
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See above for me


PoliticalDJ101 said:
Should contraception be illegal?
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Absolutely not, and thankfully the overwhelming majority of the country of all Political stripes agree with that as it relates to the overwhelming majority of contraception (basically anything other than plan B, which straddles a weird line)

PoliticalDJ101 said:
Is there any danger to giving a woman full control of when to abort?
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Sure, in the same way there a “danger” to allowing parents to do anything they wish with their child. The government has a vested interest in protecting the rights of those that can't be protected. Also I think there is societal harm in valuing life and conception to the point where abortion is glorified and is able to be engaged in at any time for any reason.
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
What are folks views on abortion?

How important is avoiding sex before marriage?

Are there certain exceptions to when a abortion should be allowed?

Should contraception be illegal?

Is there any danger to giving a woman full control of when to abort?
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We need to return to the standards of Roe which we had for 50 years. It is as simple as that. Nothing more and nothing less is acceptable.
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
so the life should be able to be taken after the umbilical cord is cut? I didn't predict some folks would think that
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I think that, in the case of "life" without a brain. There is a condition where a viable human body is born without a brain, but with a brain-stem. Without the capacity for thought or the potential to ever be able to think, it is ghoulish and wasteful to keep such a body alive.

Non-survivable newborn disability is usually dealt with by deprival of life-support. But if there is any consciousness there at all (eg brainstem or spinal chord) it would be more humane to deliver a lethal dose of opioid. Euthanasia is more humane than starving, but the law frowns on it because it is an act of killing instead of a failure to act. I don't see any meaningful difference.
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
That doesn't tell me anything. It's vague. This would leave me to believe that if the woman suddenly decided while giving birth, that they didn't want the baby even after it's whole body was out of the womb (everything except it's head) or even if the whole body were out of the womb, buts it's umbilical cord weren't yet severed, and there was no danger to the mother, that, you would still be ok with that baby being killed. Is that what you're saying?
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Stop vomiting your abortion fantasies over the internet. Abortions past viability have always been banned here.
 
What are folks views on abortion?
Which folks? Everyone has a different view.

How important is avoiding sex before marriage?
Cough cough.

Are there certain exceptions to when a abortion should be allowed?
When a woman, her conscience and her doctors decide is the right time.

Should contraception be illegal?
Is this a serious question? Between this question and the one about avoiding sex before marriage, I wonder what is being implied? (Actually, no, I know exactly what is being implied)

Is there any danger to giving a woman full control of when to abort?
None whatsoever. Mind you, you ask some sanctimonious or self-righteous types, they might say a woman should NEVER have full control over anything, her body or otherwise.
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
That doesn't tell me anything. It's vague.
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It tells you everything you need to know.
PoliticalDJ101 said:
This would leave me to believe that if the woman suddenly decided while giving birth, that they didn't want the baby even after it's whole body was out of the womb (everything except it's head) or even if the whole body were out of the womb, buts it's umbilical cord weren't yet severed, and there was no danger to the mother, that, you would still be ok with that baby being killed. Is that what you're saying?
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You're just being passive/aggressive. You're angry with me because I refuse to play your game.
 
PoliticalDJ101 said:
So you're opposed to the government getting involved when we are taking the life of another?
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There are some instances when abortion should be permitted in the 3000th month.

This is a medical decision between Dr and patient. Keep politicians out of women's bodies, especially minsters/priests out of children bodies.
 
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