When its too late for an abortion

[marke]

Re: First principles

and christians are not allowed to discriminate against others as well 2 way street

odd you have this problem of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you


38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

1. And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace in Jerusalem.
2. And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. 2 Chronicles 19.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Except you do not live in a commie country so whining about that is nonsense. And you are wrong again, the law against discrimination was originally to prevent white business owners refusing to provide essential services and products because of racism.

Christians do not make laws forcing Christians to violate their religious convictions so that sexual perverts are not offended. To hell with the skin-so-soft touchy-feely sensitivities of sex perverts and their ungodly discrimination laws.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Nobody, including homosexuals, cares about a businessman's beliefs so long as his beliefs do not interfere with the service one should be able to expect from a business established to serve the public. The public consists of those of many different beliefs and persuasions and all must be TOLERATED. A Christian baker MAY remove himself from that business if HE is offended. Try to read more carefully.

If the government is so concerned about the feelings of sex perverts over the beliefs if Christians then maybe the government should be conducting training classes for homosexuals to prepare them for facing the reality of protected free exercise of Christian beliefs in public.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Our constitution forbids laws which "respect an establishment of religion." That means it is unconstitutional to pass laws which simply enforce your idea of bad behavior.

Don't be silly. The Constitution forbids atheistic morons from using the government to suppress the open and free exercise of the Christian religion in America.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Neither is America allowed to discriminate FOR Christians or what they think are Biblical precepts. Oh, and BTW, some homosexuals are followers of Christianity. Sadly, the Methodist church is about to split over whether homosexuals can serve in the church.

Let the Methodist church iron out their problems without government interference and let the government stay the hell out of religion and the free exercise of religion in America.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

That is a whole bunch of nonsense there. A baker is not forced to remove himself because he offended gays, he is fined when he breaks the law. Pure and simple. And gays could care less about someone's faith, what they care about is not being discriminated against and getting services they are entitled to get under the laws of the United States of America.

Just like women are allowed to choose what they do to their body and their womb.

I'm sorry if Mr.. Wussface homosexual is offended by my religion, but that is not my problem and it is not the government's problem. The government has no right to deny my right to the free exercise of my religion just because some panty-head pervert may be offended by religion.

 

[blarg]

Re: First principles

In a free country the government does not force businesses to sell to a certain clientele and the government does not force customers to buy from a certain vendor. Granted, that is changing in America as the country is being pulled by dumbass Marxists to the Commie Red New Deal left.

your not forced to sell you can quit instead in a free country the government dose not impose any health codes on the places you get food from but that's ****ing retarded and a democratic nation can vote or have its representatives vote to have those

 

[blarg]

Re: First principles

1. And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace in Jerusalem.
2. And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. 2 Chronicles 19.

and if jews decide to treat people badly because of ther faith then it would seem ther faith has support for that ( not that any of them necessarily would or that your scripture is not contradicted elsewhere in the old testament )


but its clearly hypocritical of a christian to do so

 

[blarg]

Re: First principles

Christians do not make laws forcing Christians to violate their religious convictions so that sexual perverts are not offended. To hell with the skin-so-soft touchy-feely sensitivities of sex perverts and their ungodly discrimination laws.

to hell with religious bigots they don't have to violate their religious convictions if they can't obey the law when it comes to their business they are free to quit


you are not allowed to discriminates agiasnt christians in any way you feel just because you feel you should

christians are not allowed to discriminate against other in any way they feel they should

 

[blarg]

Re: First principles

If the government is so concerned about the feelings of sex perverts over the beliefs if Christians then maybe the government should be conducting training classes for homosexuals to prepare them for facing the reality of protected free exercise of Christian beliefs in public.

your fleeing have the same worth yes and you are both entitled to the same protections under the law so are gay people

 

[minnie616]

Re: First principles

I'm sorry if Mr.. Wussface homosexual is offended by my religion, but that is not my problem and it is not the government's problem. The government has no right to deny my right to the free exercise of my religion just because some panty-head pervert may be offended by religion.

Even if homosexuality is offend by your religion that does not give a business a right to discrimate against them.

Your church is allowed not to accept them as members.

But any public business that members of your church own must sell their goods to them just as they goods to any other member of the public.

 

[Peter King]

Re: First principles

I'm sorry if Mr.. Wussface homosexual is offended by my religion, but that is not my problem and it is not the government's problem. The government has no right to deny my right to the free exercise of my religion just because some panty-head pervert may be offended by religion.

Who gives a crap about your religion, not the "gay" person who wants to buy a product. You are offended at their existence, that has always been the issue. Not the gays views on your religion but your religions followers misdeeds and discriminatory practices towards homosexuals. And sadly it is the governments problem because of your religious bunch. The government has the full right to regulate trade, sadly it even has to because of the staunch hateful practices of a few (AKA religious intolerant extremists).

 

[OKgrannie]

Re: First principles

Don't be silly. The Constitution forbids atheistic morons from using the government to suppress the open and free exercise of the Christian religion in America.

It also forbids Christians from forcing others to follow or support Christianity. Other religions are likewise limited. It is not a part of "open and free exercise" to force others to participate.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

your not forced to sell you can quit instead in a free country the government dose not impose any health codes on the places you get food from but that's ****ing retarded and a democratic nation can vote or have its representatives vote to have those

No, you have it backward. In a free country I'm not forced to sell, the sex perverts are free to go somewhere else instead.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

and if jews decide to treat people badly because of ther faith then it would seem ther faith has support for that ( not that any of them necessarily would or that your scripture is not contradicted elsewhere in the old testament )


but its clearly hypocritical of a christian to do so

If the wicked get their feelings hurt by God's command then they should get over it and get right with God, not beat up God's people.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

to hell with religious bigots they don't have to violate their religious convictions if they can't obey the law when it comes to their business they are free to quit


you are not allowed to discriminates agiasnt christians in any way you feel just because you feel you should

christians are not allowed to discriminate against other in any way they feel they should

God commands Christians to sever ties with the ungodly and have no part in their ungodly ceremonies. God does not care whether the ungodly are offended by that, He expects Christians to obey Him no matter what laws the ungodly pass to the contrary.

 

[minnie616]

Re: First principles

No, you have it backward. In a free country I'm not forced to sell, the sex perverts are free to go somewhere else instead.

Not if your business is open to the public.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Even if homosexuality is offend by your religion that does not give a business a right to discrimate against them.

God commands Christians to discriminate against the ungodly no matter what laws the ungodly pass to try to stop Christians from obeying God.

Your church is allowed not to accept them as members.

And Christian bakers are allowed to refuse to bake them a cake on religious grounds.

But any public business that members of your church own must sell their goods to them just as they goods to any other member of the public.

The government does not dictate rules to God. To hell with that idea.

 

[minnie616]

Re: First principles

No, you have it backward. In a free country I'm not forced to sell, the sex perverts are free to go somewhere else instead.

You have it wrong.

If you want to descrminate against gays.

You cannot own a business that sells to the public.

By the way :

The word “homosexuality” didn’t even show up in English translations of the Bible until 1946, so why do we say the Bible condemns it?

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Who gives a crap about your religion, not the "gay" person who wants to buy a product. You are offended at their existence, that has always been the issue.

I am not offended by their existence. I am offended by their ungodly efforts to force Christians to accept them and to join them in their ungodly ceremonies when God has forbidden such friendship and fellowship.

Not the gays views on your religion but your religions followers misdeeds and discriminatory practices towards homosexuals.

The cake maker is not having the gays arrested for coming into his shop, the sexual perverts are having the cake maker arrested for not violating his religious convictions against participating in gay ceremonies.

And sadly it is the governments problem because of your religious bunch. The government has the full right to regulate trade, sadly it even has to because of the staunch hateful practices of a few (AKA religious intolerant extremists).

The government can regulate trade but it cannot regulate religious convictions. The government can do all it needs to as long as it does not trample the rights of Christians to freely exercise their religious convictions.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

It also forbids Christians from forcing others to follow or support Christianity. Other religions are likewise limited. It is not a part of "open and free exercise" to force others to participate.

We don't force gays to join our church. In fact we don't allow openly homosexual barbarians to join our church.

 

[minnie616]

Re: First principles

God commands Christians to discriminate against the ungodly no matter what laws the ungodly pass to try to stop Christians from obeying God.



And Christian bakers are allowed to refuse to bake them a cake on religious grounds.



The government does not dictate rules to God. To hell with that idea.

I disagree.As do many Christian denominations.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Not if your business is open to the public.

Governments of brutal communist nations can tell Christians how to do their business and put them in jail if they dare exercise their religious beliefs in violation of ungodly laws, but that sort of violation of the religious rights of Christians is not allowed in America.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

You have it wrong.

If you want to descrminate against gays.

You cannot own a business that sells to the public.

By the way :

The word “homosexuality” didn’t even show up in English translations of the Bible until 1946, so why do we say the Bible condemns it?

Wrong. The government shall make no law, even in the name of discrimination, which abridges the rights of Christians to freely exercise their religious convictions.

 

[Lursa]

Re: First principles

In a free country the government does not force businesses to sell to a certain clientele and the government does not force customers to buy from a certain vendor. Granted, that is changing in America as the country is being pulled by dumbass Marxists to the Commie Red New Deal left.

That's what the racists said during the Civil Rights movement....so you are in good company but your attitude has nothing to do with Christianity and all to do with hate.

And btw, I have a list of several scriptures that racist legislators tried to use to overturn Loving vs Virginia too. Didnt work.