When its too late for an abortion

[year2late]

Re: Hard to make out

Do modern "Goddamn America" socialist democrats want the name of God removed from our money, from our federal buildings, from our private properties, from public monuments, and so forth? It certainly looks that way. TAKE DOWN THIS CROSS! GET RID OF THESE TEN COMMANDMENTS! STOP MENTIONING JESUS IN PUBLIC! GET RID OF THE MANGER SCENE IN THE TOWN SQUARE! STOP CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS AND EASTER! And so stupid forth.

Dictionary definition of triggered should reference the above post.

You are free to mention Jesus in public...who is stopping you? Is someone stopping you from celebrating Christmas and Easter? Seriously, who? And how do we get rid of the 10 Commandments? If you have time locating them, I can link you up.

By the way....you are still free to say Merry Christmas. Nobody is stopping you.

 

[southwest88]

Re: Hard to make out

Do modern "Goddamn America" socialist democrats want the name of God removed from our money, from our federal buildings, from our private properties, from public monuments, and so forth? It certainly looks that way. TAKE DOWN THIS CROSS! GET RID OF THESE TEN COMMANDMENTS! STOP MENTIONING JESUS IN PUBLIC! GET RID OF THE MANGER SCENE IN THE TOWN SQUARE! STOP CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS AND EASTER! And so stupid forth.

socialist democrats - Is a European coinage, I think - as best I remember, anyway. The concept has never really taken off in the US, TMK.

You might want to look into the history of Christianity in the then-British colonies, & later in the early US & on up to modern times. Participation in church in the UK colonies & then in the US was low - the figure I remember is about 8%. But then came the Great Awakening (a series of them), & church attendance & concern for the afterlife zoomed - except that the enthusiasm flowed & collapsed, two or three times. & so the pendulum of public interest in church in the US waxes & wanes, waxes & wanes.

Is Christmas (the commercial event & the feasting & gift-giving, parties & such) even biblical? I get the feeling it isn't, a hard date wasn't specified in the Bible, as I recall. & certainly the Pilgrims refused to celebrate Christmas. Each religious group will have to navigate its own way in keeping with its traditions & inspired writings.

 

[Individual]

Re: Hard to make out

If, by abortion we are talking about the termination of a pregnancy then I would have to say it becomes too late at the point of full delivery, at which point an unwanted but viable child should only be made available for adoption.

 

[Individual]

Re: Roe v. Wade provides otherwise

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Have a nice day.

For the record...I think God would prefer he be off of our currency. But perhaps your GOd cares about his portrayal on currency.

Maybe we could/should replace GOD with G, allowing it to be viewed as God or Government, neither of which I have found a reason to apply a trust in, although as an atheist I have to admit that God has imposed no hardship at all upon my life. Sadly I cannot say the same about our government or a great many individuals who simply look for ways to impose upon others as the means of improving their own lives.

 

[blarg]

There is lots of talk about banning abortion after the third trimester or after the pregnancy has gone on for a certain time. Well the fact of the matter is this, as soon as the egg is fertilized its too late for an abortion.

this might be true for you but it seems just fine for every one who is ok with abortion after conception

 

[VanceMack]

Probably Jr High School. Anything prior to that looks to be acceptable, as long as the parasite is inconvenient to the mother.

 

[uptower]

There is lots of talk about banning abortion after the third trimester or after the pregnancy has gone on for a certain time. Well the fact of the matter is this, as soon as the egg is fertilized its too late for an abortion.

Yet scientifically and medically it is perfectly feasible to terminate the pregnancy without harming the mother and the law supports a woman's right to do so. So do the scriptures.

 

[marke]

Re: Hard to make out

Dictionary definition of triggered should reference the above post.

You are free to mention Jesus in public...who is stopping you? Is someone stopping you from celebrating Christmas and Easter? Seriously, who? And how do we get rid of the 10 Commandments? If you have time locating them, I can link you up.

By the way....you are still free to say Merry Christmas. Nobody is stopping you.

I'm free to say Merry Christmas? You got it wrong. You are free not to celebrate Christmas but nobody has any authority to 'allow' someone else to worship God and celebrate Christian holidays. That is not a freedom given by man, that is a responsibility ordained of God to be honored in spite of anything stupid man may devise to try to stop it.

 

[marke]

Re: Hard to make out

socialist democrats - Is a European coinage, I think - as best I remember, anyway. The concept has never really taken off in the US, TMK.

You might want to look into the history of Christianity in the then-British colonies, & later in the early US & on up to modern times. Participation in church in the UK colonies & then in the US was low - the figure I remember is about 8%. But then came the Great Awakening (a series of them), & church attendance & concern for the afterlife zoomed - except that the enthusiasm flowed & collapsed, two or three times. & so the pendulum of public interest in church in the US waxes & wanes, waxes & wanes.

Is Christmas (the commercial event & the feasting & gift-giving, parties & such) even biblical? I get the feeling it isn't, a hard date wasn't specified in the Bible, as I recall. & certainly the Pilgrims refused to celebrate Christmas. Each religious group will have to navigate its own way in keeping with its traditions & inspired writings.

Do atheists look to the Bible to tell them what they can or cannot do? No. Do Christians need permission to worship God anywhere at any time whenever the mood hits? Of course not. To hell with morons who think they have any right to stop a Christian from worshiping and serving God.

 

[Crusader13]

Yet scientifically and medically it is perfectly feasible to terminate the pregnancy without harming the mother and the law supports a woman's right to do so. So do the scriptureshttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5:11-31&version=NIV.

if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man...May this water enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries

Amazing how all the Saints throughout the years who walked on fire and lived on eucharist alone out of devotion to God's law missed this passage. You must be smarter than them when it comes to theology.

Seriously though, nothing from that passage indicates abortion. It lays out a punishment (not a liberal right out of convenience) a woman is to suffer if she cheated on her husband. The moral of the it is that women aren't allowed to sleep with anyone but their husband - so no, it doesn't excuse women to sleep around carelessly and then dispose of the consequential life.

Please show me the passage that says "if ye think not that thou shalt be pregnant as thou don't have thy **** together, then pluck ye thy baby from thy womb". Otherwise, stop quoting Facebook meme's and pretending you know what the **** you're on about.

 

[uptower]

Amazing how all the Saints throughout the years who walked on fire and lived on eucharist alone out of devotion to God's law missed this passage. You must be smarter than them when it comes to theology.

Seriously though, nothing from that passage indicates abortion. It lays out a punishment (not a liberal right out of convenience) a woman is to suffer if she cheated on her husband. The moral of the it is that women aren't allowed to sleep with anyone but their husband - so no, it doesn't excuse women to sleep around carelessly and then dispose of the consequential life.

Please show me the passage that says "if ye think not that thou shalt be pregnant as thou don't have thy **** together, then pluck ye thy baby from thy womb". Otherwise, stop quoting Facebook meme's and pretending you know what the **** you're on about.

But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth

- Colossians 3:8

 

[Peter King]

God does not care about political party affiliation. Abortion is wrong no matter what party members think. Abortion was illegal under the Constitution long before it became legal under the Constitution.

except we aren't talking about non-existing magic creatures, we were discussing your comment and clearly you started with the "democrats" line, not me. So you clearly care about political affiliation. And abortion is not wrong. Also it was not illegal under the constitution. It was banned in criminal law, not constitutional law.

You obviously have never witnesses a late term abortion.

Except that is not the norm of abortions. Most except a small percentage are done far before you can even see if a woman is pregnant.

Do you know what an unborn baby is?

No, I do not, I do not what a ZEF is. Because baby is what is the result of birthing. There is a term used for all the stages of the pregnancy process, they are called zygote, embryo and fetus. It does not mention baby. Now people can call it all they want, but biologically it is a ZEF until the moment of birth.

Killing Jews in Germany was illegal, then legal, then illegal again.

Nope, I can find no laws that made killing Jews legal, it was illegal but just done because Adolf had the judiciary in his power. Most judges were fervent nazi's so they would have never been prosecuted in the first place. But still it was not legal.

You are a doubter? No matter, those murderers were not hiding their barbarian brutality from God.

You do know this had nothing to do with doubting the holocaust? Just that there were criminals laws legalizing the mass murder of Jews. And again, what does not exist cannot witness anything but we the human beings are able to witness what those murderers did and sadly not all of the bastards were prosecuted and hanged.

 

[Crusader13]

But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth

- Colossians 3:8

Still nothing on abortion, and now you're throwing me some passages on why I should feel guilty for typing asterisks in an online message. Dude, you really, like seriously, have no clue about religion. Not that you should - something tells me you're not religious, so good on ya, but I don't see what fulfillment you get from pretending to know about it.

 

[blarg]

Amazing how all the Saints throughout the years who walked on fire and lived on eucharist alone out of devotion to God's law missed this passage. You must be smarter than them when it comes to theology.

Seriously though, nothing from that passage indicates abortion. It lays out a punishment (not a liberal right out of convenience) a woman is to suffer if she cheated on her husband. The moral of the it is that women aren't allowed to sleep with anyone but their husband - so no, it doesn't excuse women to sleep around carelessly and then dispose of the consequential life.

Please show me the passage that says "if ye think not that thou shalt be pregnant as thou don't have thy **** together, then pluck ye thy baby from thy womb". Otherwise, stop quoting Facebook meme's and pretending you know what the **** you're on about.

if the biblical is ok with killing the unborn sometimes its hypocritical of that god and believers in it to say killing the unborn is bad because the biblical god dosent like it


it killed babies as well or no reason to boot

Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill

 

[year2late]

Re: Hard to make out

I'm free to say Merry Christmas? You got it wrong. You are free not to celebrate Christmas but nobody has any authority to 'allow' someone else to worship God and celebrate Christian holidays. That is not a freedom given by man, that is a responsibility ordained of God to be honored in spite of anything stupid man may devise to try to stop it.

I have celebrated Christmas every year ....what prevented you? Who prevented you? You could not go to church? You could not pray? You could not be with your family to rejoice?
How were you prevented? Please where do you live that you could not do those things?

I must have said "Merry Christmas" verbally loud in clear in open spaces 100's of times last year and I was not prevented...and I live in California.

 

[marke]

except we aren't talking about non-existing magic creatures, we were discussing your comment and clearly you started with the "democrats" line, not me. So you clearly care about political affiliation. And abortion is not wrong. Also it was not illegal under the constitution. It was banned in criminal law, not constitutional law.

Let's face it. Those enemies of God who hate righteousness will not likely see any problem with butchering babies in the name of sexual liberty.

 

[marke]

Re: Hard to make out

I have celebrated Christmas every year ....what prevented you? Who prevented you? You could not go to church? You could not pray? You could not be with your family to rejoice?
How were you prevented? Please where do you live that you could not do those things?

I must have said "Merry Christmas" verbally loud in clear in open spaces 100's of times last year and I was not prevented...and I live in California.

It's not that someone tried to keep me from worshiping God and celebrating Christian holidays, it is that there are morons in the country today who think they have a wall of separation right to transform their atheistic dogmatism into government restrictions on traditional religious liberties exercised by tens of millions of Americans for hundreds of years.

 

[Peter King]

Let's face it. Those enemies of God who hate righteousness will not likely see any problem with butchering babies in the name of sexual liberty.

This is not about sexual liberty but about personal right to decisions about your own body. Also, no butchering babies is done through abortions and again, mythical creatures aren't the basis for human laws.

 

[marke]

This is not about sexual liberty but about personal right to decisions about your own body. Also, no butchering babies is done through abortions and again, mythical creatures aren't the basis for human laws.

Deluded savage barbarian justification for murder: My body is mine to do with as I please and if I do not want a baby after having sex then I should be allowed to get rid of it for personal reasons. Sadly, I cannot as of yet legally get rid of my other children for personal reasons.,

 

[southwest88]

First principles

It's not that someone tried to keep me from worshiping God and celebrating Christian holidays, it is that there are morons in the country today who think they have a wall of separation right to transform their atheistic dogmatism into government restrictions on traditional religious liberties exercised by tens of millions of Americans for hundreds of years.

Nah, it's just that the US is a secular government. & so there is no state religion, & the state is to remain neutral in matters of faith. In practice, the churches are free to worship & proselytize or not, as they wish; & so are individuals - as long as no laws are broken.

The question is Should government favor one faith over another? The Constitutional answer is No.

I don't think atheistic dogmatism is possible. How can atheism have a dogma? Dogma seems to refer to a set of beliefs put forth by a church ...

 

[blarg]

Let's face it. Those enemies of God who hate righteousness will not likely see any problem with butchering babies in the name of sexual liberty.

your god dosent seem that righteous very often and it has no problem killing the innocent for no reason whatsoever why should abortion be wrong if the fetus dosent have intelligence byond animals we kill?

 

[blarg]

Deluded savage barbarian justification for murder: My body is mine to do with as I please and if I do not want a baby after having sex then I should be allowed to get rid of it for personal reasons. Sadly, I cannot as of yet legally get rid of my other children for personal reasons.,

not murder it legal and why would aborting a fetus be wrong?

 

[year2late]

Re: Hard to make out

It's not that someone tried to keep me from worshiping God and celebrating Christian holidays, it is that there are morons in the country today who think they have a wall of separation right to transform their atheistic dogmatism into government restrictions on traditional religious liberties exercised by tens of millions of Americans for hundreds of years.

Face it, there is a separation of church and state.

That separation does nothing to prevent you from worshiping your chosen God....or not worshiping at all.

So if no one is preventing you from worshiping, then your are crying over milk that never spilled.

Frankly the overall appearance is that you portray God as a micromanager and you seem to to want others to buy into that line of thinking.

I remember back in the 70's when I was a teen that WWJD was a big thing. It was plastered everywhere. At the time it just seemed like a "nice thought". Now, many years later, I really have embraced it. What would would Jesus do? He would help the poor, feed the hungry, help heal the sick and treat others with love and compassion. Sadly, many have embraced using their religion as a weapon to force their beliefs on others and pass judgement on others ....I personally believe it is more logical to do good for those around me rather than worry about whether someone says "Happy Holidays" over "Merry Christmas". The concept would be that even though non religious people may not celebrate the "faithful" aspects of Christmas....many can embrace the concept that it is a reminder of the importance of friends and family...and to help those that are struggling.

You have your religious liberties. Embrace them. Nobody is stopping you from practicing your faith.

 

[uptower]

Still nothing on abortion, and now you're throwing me some passages on why I should feel guilty for typing asterisks in an online message. Dude, you really, like seriously, have no clue about religion. Not that you should - something tells me you're not religious, so good on ya, but I don't see what fulfillment you get from pretending to know about it.

Firstly one does not need to be religious to know something about religion. One only has to be able to read.
That is how the exchange of ideas works. I may have a religious background or education, I may be agnostic, I may follow a different church, or I may be an unbeliever. That's all my business and irrelevant to the conversation. The way exchange of ideas works here is we talk about issues and not about each other.

Hint: in my posts I try to avoid using the word 'you'. It really works.

So we talk about what is in the bible and what it means or not at all.

 

[marke]

Re: First principles

Nah, it's just that the US is a secular government. & so there is no state religion, & the state is to remain neutral in matters of faith. In practice, the churches are free to worship & proselytize or not, as they wish; & so are individuals - as long as no laws are broken.

The question is Should government favor one faith over another? The Constitutional answer is No.

I don't think atheistic dogmatism is possible. How can atheism have a dogma? Dogma seems to refer to a set of beliefs put forth by a church ...

There is no neutrality in religion. Of one's philosophy embraces God then that person's religious philosophy is centered around God. Otherwise a person's religion is secular humanism. The US government is no more to promote the religion of secular humanism than it is to promote Christianity.