When does it reach the point that it’s obvious it’s not us, it’s you?

[Hamish Howl]

Neither should you abortionists! Ever.

I didn't even know I was a doctor!

 

[Daddyo]

That’s a self-damning statement.

So anyone supporting Harris falls into your limited political view as some pinko, libtard, extremist?

You do know that paints you as the extremist in this exchange don’t you?

Coming from someone who says that supporting Trump makes one a MAGA extremist lol. I bet that makes you exactly the same thing you accuse me of being.

If you support Harris and she is a Marxist are you not supporting Marxism?

If you support Harris and her views are left of Bernie Sanders, a self described socialist, are you not supporting that leftist agenda?

We can argue whether she is a Marxist or if her views are leftist just as we can argue about the definition of trumps views. What we can’t argue is that supporting that candidate is supporting those views.

 

[Daddyo]

Trump favors Putin and, like Putin, would seem to desire our form of government reduced to a pakhanate with himself as its criminal syndicate head of state.

Even more importantly Putin favors KamalaTOE.

Trump favors Putin so much that he nominated 3 constitutionalist justices when he could have selected radical activists lol as any demoncrat would have. Sorry to shit all over your well thought out tripe.

 

[Daddyo]

I’ve covered Hunters Laptop to the point of considering putting it on a hotkey reply. That’s one thing about the RW types. They can’t resist moaning about it. Everyone knew. Everyone. Nobody cared. Why? Hunter wasn’t running for office.

Ok. Onto your longer moaning about Mar-A-Lago. Did you read the rational for the valuation? Trump to save money on taxes put conditions and restrictions on the property. That building is stuck there in perpetuity. It can never be updated. It can’t be subdivided. It can’t be anything but what it is. Have you ever walked into a dated Hotel? Mar-a-Lago will be one. If someone were to buy it, all they could do is run the resort just as it is. Now, you may be willing to buy a property you can never change or update. But most people wouldn’t. Especially businesspeople.

As for everything going great when Trump was President. Only if you use RW logic. That is to say that all the bad stuff that happened wasn’t his fault and he had nothing to do with it. But all the good things were totally because of him.

Putin had Soldiers fighting in Ukraine pretending to be “volunteers”. And Trump’s reaction? Order the withdrawal of 1/3 of our troops from Europe. Hell of a plan. Run away when our Allies need us.

You guys give Trump credit for cheap gas. But you scream the reason wasn’t his fault. The double digit unemployment that meant nobody had a job to drive to. But things were better. Or something.

There was more crime under Trump but it wasn’t his fault. He was a tough on crime President. And you know that because if he is elected his first act is to order the Justice Department to drop the cases against him. And he broke the law. He kept those documents as one example.

If as you say nobody cared about Hunters laptop then why did the FBI and CIA get with social media to have them pull any mention of that story ahead of the 2020 election?

How do you explain the polls that showed 80 percent of people believed that had folks known about the validity of the laptop, Trump would have won? Republicans make up less than 50 percent of the voters so plenty of demoncrats and independents believed it as well.

So your explanation doesn’t jive with reality as you can see.



Back to the fraud case. How can you be convicted of trying to defraud by inflating the value of an asset when you provide a disclaimer instructing the lender to get their own valuation? It’s a simple question you seem bent on avoiding.


The bad stuff happening under trump was caused by your comrades. I refuse to blame trump because a bunch of democrat activists take to the street and violently riot.

If Trump is elected today you will soon see a repeat as the truly unamerican leftists take to the streets to cause chaos and other problems. Local law enforcement is actually game planning for it.

 

[Daddyo]

Will he tell them "don't be a tough guy, don't be a fool" and then back off?

Nope. He will probably tell them to back off and then hand them the coordinates to the super secret location they are currently hiding in. Just like that sphincter tightening moment when he did it the last go around.

He certainly won’t be using Tough old Joe’s one word response, “don’t “ lol! They laughed and DID lol.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Nope. He will probably tell them to back off and then hand them the coordinates to the super secret location they are currently hiding in. Just like that sphincter tightening moment when he did it the last go around.

He certainly won’t be using Tough old Joe’s one word response, “don’t “ lol! They laughed and DID lol.

Ok, so he will capitulate then ... again. Got it.

 

[Michael Cole]

If as you say nobody cared about Hunters laptop then why did the FBI and CIA

Who was the boss in 2020?

You'll need to ask Trump that question. And then you should ask him why he ****ed up. If Trump had no control over his own administration, why would anyone elect him again?

get with social media to have them pull any mention of that story ahead of the 2020 election?

How do you explain the polls that showed 80 percent of people believed that had folks known about the validity of the laptop, Trump would have won? Republicans make up less than 50 percent of the voters so plenty of demoncrats and independents believed it as well.

So your explanation doesn’t jive with reality as you can see.



Back to the fraud case. How can you be convicted of trying to defraud by inflating the value of an asset when you provide a disclaimer instructing the lender to get their own valuation? It’s a simple question you seem bent on avoiding.


The bad stuff happening under trump was caused by your comrades. I refuse to blame trump because a bunch of democrat activists take to the street and violently riot.

If Trump is elected today you will soon see a repeat as the truly unamerican leftists take to the streets to cause chaos and other problems. Local law enforcement is actually game planning for it.

 

[Daddyo]

Dude, did you forget the checks that came out during the Pandemic? Trump spent more in his 4 years than Biden did....in fact, he spent double..

The country was essentially shut down. That money didn’t cause inflation it saved folks from disaster. It was the unnecessary one that Biden did that triggered the inflation. That and Biden’s rabid and open hostility towards energy.

 

[Daddyo]

I'll take a moron over a nazi any day.

You are going to get a moron and a Marxist.

She is more aligned with a Nazi than Trump on his worst day. Your TDS is no excuse for such blatant, disgusting, and BASELESS accusations. It’s that kind of rhetoric that prompted 2 assassins to try to kill him.

Hopefully enough folks out there who see through the lies and propaganda will keep her from winning.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Coming from someone who says that supporting Trump makes one a MAGA extremist lol.

I’ve never said that. All I did was present evidence of Trump’s unethical behavior and terribly bad character and stated, I believe quite soundly and logically, that it makes him unfit and disqualified for high office.

I bet that makes you exactly the same thing you accuse me of being.

So you’re either mistaken in your interpretation or fibbing.

If you support Harris and she is a Marxist are you not supporting Marxism?

Make the case Harris is a Marxist. Define Marxism then expand and contrast it to Harris’ politics in such a way as it makes the case you’re presenting. You won’t be able to in such a way I won’t be able to blow a battleship size hole in.

We can argue whether she is a Marxist or if her views are leftist just as we can argue about the definition of trumps views. What we can’t argue is that supporting that candidate is supporting those views.

And that’s where you’ve lost this before it’s began because my case, my argument, on Trump has never had anything to do with the politics. Never… not from the start. There is a political argument to be had. No questuon. It’s not the argument I’m making though.

*MY* case is quite simple and begins and ends before the politics become the issue. It is, and always has been, that Trump is such a horrendously flawed person, literally a pathological case, of bad character and atrocious ethics that he is unfit thus disqualified for consideration of high office.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Even more importantly Putin favors KamalaTOE.

I’m going to be very nice and not spell out the readily seen reason, but apparently not by you [hint, reverse psychology), as to why that statement is … well, what it is.

Trump favors Putin so much that he nominated 3 constitutionalist justices when he could have selected radical activists lol as any demoncrat would have. Sorry to shit all over your well thought out tripe.

However, here I’ll just post articles spelling out the evidence saying otherwise.

All of Trump’s Ties to Russia, in 7 Charts

A visual guide to the many links between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

www.politico.com

Opinion: Woodward revelations underscore Trump ties to Russia, Putin

None of this is surprising. During his presidency, Trump repeatedly acted in favor of Russian interests.

www.pressherald.com

Fact-checking Trump's comments urging Russia to invade 'delinquent' NATO members

Trump's comment on Saturday represented the latest instance in which the former president and Republican front-runner seemed to side with an authoritarian state over America's democratic allies.

www.pbs.org

The Real Reason Trump Loves Putin

A new book explores the American right’s tendency to admire and want to emulate foreign dictators.

www.theatlantic.com

Putin bromance has US intelligence officials fearing second Trump term

Ex-president’s support for the Russian strongman has experts fretting over American interests and security sources overseas

www.theguardian.com

Trump calls Putin 'genius' and 'savvy' for Ukraine invasion

The former president's praise for Putin comes at a perilous geopolitical moment in Europe.

www.politico.com

 

[Daddyo]

Can one acknowledge everything you said about Trump and still vote for him? What if you’re part of the 56.5% who disapprove of the way the Biden administration has done its job over the last 4 years? What you want is change, a different president, a different administration, a different party in power. In short, someone who wasn’t part of the party, administration over the last 4 years which Harris as VP was. The only realistic choice to accomplish change is Trump.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

What if you’re a conservative, you don’t want a progressive liberal in charge leading this country down a very unwanted path. You want someone in charge more attuned to your political ideology and philosophy. Not someone whose political philosophy, agenda, policies are completely opposite of yours. You want someone who will change the direction of this country from that of heading to the far left to a more rightward movement. 64.1% of all Americans think Biden and company, his administration has this country headed in the wrong direction. The only realistic alternative is Trump.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/direction-of-country

This doesn’t include those who believe they were better off under Trump regardless of what they or you think of Trump than they are currently under Biden, his administration. Trump may be a scumbag, but he is the change candidate, the challenger to the present administration and the way Biden and company have done business, Trump isn’t a progressive or liberal, call him whatever you will, but isn’t a progressive, liberal or the one, the party in charge, the party in power. He’s the only realistic candidate for a change in direction for this country, perhaps the only candidate that one deems could do a much better job than what was done over the last 4 years. Trump certainly isn’t a nice guy, probably doesn’t belong in politics, but he is the only option for those who believe and are in the above situations.

Nah you and I are cultists. We are MAGA, as if making America great again is a bad thing. We aren’t allowed to choose the candidate most closely aligned with our believes. They can choose the Marxist. They can chose the diversity hire. They can choose the imbecile. Because any decision they make is the correct one and only complete and utter Neanderthals could possible support different policy lol.

I don’t like when trump runs his mouth and starts with his antics. I do like his toughness, his work ethic, and most importantly his agenda. I love his love for our country. It’s refreshing to have someone that doesn’t apologize for being American and great.

I was excited to cast my vote for Trump.

 

[ClaraD]

The country was essentially shut down. That money didn’t cause inflation it saved folks from disaster. It was the unnecessary one that Biden did that triggered the inflation. That and Biden’s rabid and open hostility towards energy.

What unnecessary one that he did? It was a still full on pandemic when he took office

 

[ClaraD]

Nah you and I are cultists. We are MAGA, as if making America great again is a bad thing. We aren’t allowed to choose the candidate most closely aligned with our believes. They can choose the Marxist. They can chose the diversity hire. They can choose the imbecile. Because any decision they make is the correct one and only complete and utter Neanderthals could possible support different policy lol.

I don’t like when trump runs his mouth and starts with his antics. I do like his toughness, his work ethic, and most importantly his agenda. I love his love for our country. It’s refreshing to have someone that doesn’t apologize for being American and great.

I was excited to cast my vote for Trump.

America already is great. The term is a catch phrase for taking us back to Jim Crow.

 

[Daddyo]

Then do the right thing and demand that of my former party from another candidate within the Republican Party. There are plenty of candidates that are within the party that present the same platform as Trump. DeSantis for one.

REPUBLICANS picked Trump. They had an obligation to do better, but they didn’t. They had an obligation to choose an ETHICAL candidate but they didn’t. They chose a lying, cheating, swindling, now criminally convicted, con man.

They broke it. It’s their problem and the responsibility for doing the right thing now is theirs as well.

One can NOT know what there is to be known about Trump’s horrendous ethics and notoriously bad character, vote for him for the highest office in the land, and think of yourself as a responsible, ethical thinking, caretaker of this country’s ethical well being.

You expect us to believe that you were once a Republican and Trump made you switch lol. That is the biggest pile of horse crap I have ever heard. The idea that someone with true Republican values who supports Republican ideals and agenda items could make a complete 180 is ****ing laughable. Either you are lying or you weren’t a Republican to begin with.

I hated McCain and Romney. Voted against both in the primaries. Enough Republicans backed each for them to win the primary. Both shared most of my values and agenda, I just didn’t like them. I supported both but I thought about not voting. The only reason I didn’t just sit it out was Obama. Never ever, ever, ever, would I support the candidate that represents the complete opposite political position from my own, no matter how bad I disliked my parties candidate.

You claim that your values won’t let you support Trump but you have no problem with those values that are compromised by supporting your political opposite. It doesn’t pass the smell test. Unless of course you were really a Democrat or even a RINO. Then everything gets answered.

And I easily looked passed Trumps personal issues and AT his agenda. She is IMO worse than Trump. She used her body to get a career boost. She jailed many black men for reefer charges and then bragged about smoking the shit. She called for defunding police and helped raise money to pay bail for jailed violent rioters. One went on to murder an innocent man days later. She lied about the mental health of our president to keep power and because she was next in line. She just flip flopped on several core items just to win election.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

You expect us to believe that you were once a Republican and Trump made you switch lol. That is the biggest pile of horse crap I have ever heard. The idea that someone with true Republican values who supports Republican ideals and agenda items could make a complete 180 is ****ing laughable. Either you are lying or you weren’t a Republican to begin with.

I switched to Independent before Trump. I stated why. You dint follow along particularly well.

I am an actual fiscal Conservative. I support fiscal prudent, practical, pragmatic spending. I also support small business, entrepreneurship and innovation. My former party stopped supporting those things. They are flat out corporatist.

You’re not presenting a valid POV. Why? Republicans can vote for Harris. Phil Scott, the Republican Governor of Vermont, announced he voted for Harry’s today. You don’t know me. You couldn’t say what you have of me validly as you don’t have the information required to do so. You’re just being insulting. You’re making this personal. Going ad hominem, a sure sign of a mind that recognizes it’s failing to make its case.

And I easily looked passed Trumps personal issues and AT his agenda.

And that’s my issue with voters such as yourself who call themselves “ Conservatives”.

Actual, old school, REAL Conservatives value character and ethical behavior. They would not place an unethical individual of atrocious character in high office despite the promises they were making.

I couldn’t knowingly, I wouldn’t care if they were saying all the right things, place someone I knew to be a horrible human being in high office. That my former party can I find appalling.

That more than one third of us can not see Trump for what his very clear public record paints him to be, making them unperceptive and addled of mind; or worse not care, which makes the unethical thinkers, I find appalling.

We were once better than this. We were once serious, pragmatic, ethical thinkers that placed high value on character. We are not that people any more.

You want to understand why America isn’t great anymore. THAT is why we aren’t great anymore. GREAT people can tell the difference between candidates who know right from wrong. They do NOT reward bad actors, of poor ethics and bad character with high office. They just don’t.

 

[Daddyo]

I agree with some of what you’re suggesting but I’d suggest that the 56% that has a negative notion of Biden’s administration are not looking at the metrics and forming their own opinions based on them but parroting bubble talking points. They’re no good no matter if they are Fox News or MSNBC bubbles.

I go by what I measure with my own yardstick. I don’t presume what anyone else is telling me is true just because they say it. I take my own measure and come to my own conclusions.

I’d suggest that for everyone.

But you sit here a presume that we are being coerced and unable to form our own opinions using our own yardstick. Only you are capable lol.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

But you sit here a presume that we are being coerced and unable to form our own opinions using our own yardstick. Only you are capable lol.

I don’t believe you’re being coerced. I never said that.

What I suggested is you’ve lost the ability to take the measure of things and use the metrics to come to good decisions.

I’ve been very plain about that.

There is a process. You collect the data that applies, from all the sources available. You parse it by cross indexing it, corroborating it, using deductive reasoning to ferret out fact from fiction. Than, armed with facts from this process use experience and learning through critical thinking to come to conclusions that work toward your best interests.

You all just cured your hang nail by lopping off your foot. That’s not smart, but you added to it by lopping off my foot. I’m not appreciating that. I like my foot where it was, attached to me.