When are Black Americans going to stop supporting Democrats?

[Brutal]

Why is it you figured out what is best for black Americans but they cant?


You claim you did it.


Do you have magical.powers?

Where did I make that claim? Point it out and use quotes.

 

[vegas giants]

Where did I make that claim? Point it out and use quotes.

Answer the question


Why can you figure out what is best for black Americans but they can not?

 

[Dans La Lune]

They stopped because Democrats began telling them they were victims, gave them free stuff, told them that everything that happens to them is someone else's fault, and then fed that story to them for 50 years. That is systemic. The question I always ask is why the cities that have been run blue for decades are hellscapes and the Left blames the Right. It is insane.

Well, you have to accept a few things in order to see the flaw in your premise:

1) American society is systemically racist.

As such:

2) Black people are more vulnerable to poverty.

Meanwhile:

3) Republicans propose policies that punish poverty.
4) Republicans aim to keep wages low.
5) Republicans seek to dismantle the social safety net.

Also:

6) Law enforcement is right-leaning in implementation, and disproportionately targets poor and ethnic minorities and blacks in particular.
7) The justice system disproportionately punishes black people.

Finally:

8) Democrats are generally on the right side of civil rights post-Nixon.
9) Democrats generally protect the social safety net.
10) Of the two parties, only the Democrats have a plan to increase wages for the working poor that does not reference Trickle Down Economics.
11) Democrats are not trying to restrict reproductive rights.
12) Democrats have exponentially greater minority representation.
13) Democrats do not try to restrict voting rights and suppress voter turn-out.

The Cherry:

14) Black people have a long memory, and it has only been scant decades since the Republicans threw them under the bus with the Southern Strategy.

 

[VanceMack]

As a collective? Sadly...probably never.



And sadly...its as true and relevant today as yesterday. The greatest tragedy is that they can SEE the results of their continued support for the democrats...and still blindly rush to vote for them. Every major city in the country has been controlled by democrats. Every major city has turned the black American communities into shitholes peopled with crippled and dependent voters. ANY TIME someone finds success and is able to, the FIRST thing they do is get the hell out of dodge...LEAVE those poverty stricken black communities. Yet they still vote for the people that created and maintain them.

So again...probably never.

 

[vegas giants]

As a collective? Sadly...probably never.



And sadly...its as true and relevant today as yesterday. The greatest tragedy is that they can SEE the results of their continued support for the democrats...and still blindly rush to vote for them. Every major city in the country has been controlled by democrats. Every major city has turned the black American communities into shitholes peopled with crippled and dependent voters. ANY TIME someone finds success and is able to, the FIRST thing they do is get the hell out of dodge...LEAVE those poverty stricken black communities. Yet they still vote for the people that created and maintain them.

So again...probably never.

That's because black Americans are not stupid

 

[joko104]

Are you saying black Americans are stupid?

You do in messages.

 

[vegas giants]

You do in messages.

They are smart enough to vote Democrat. Lol

 

[Novichok]

When are Black Americans going to stop supporting Democrats?

When somebody invents vitamin IQ.

 

[vegas giants]

When are Black Americans going to stop supporting Democrats?

When somebody invents vitamin IQ.

There it is


I knew you guys could get there

 

[Dans La Lune]

As a collective? Sadly...probably never.



And sadly...its as true and relevant today as yesterday. The greatest tragedy is that they can SEE the results of their continued support for the democrats...and still blindly rush to vote for them. Every major city in the country has been controlled by democrats. Every major city has turned the black American communities into shitholes peopled with crippled and dependent voters. ANY TIME someone finds success and is able to, the FIRST thing they do is get the hell out of dodge...LEAVE those poverty stricken black communities. Yet they still vote for the people that created and maintain them.

So again...probably never.

I think Democrats have done a disservice to blacks by adopting and implementing conservative policies.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Lets rephrase this thread thusly: When are blacks going to vote Republican?

Anyone up for an answer?

 

[joko104]

They risk their lives if they openly supporting Republicans. The Democrats on the MSM openly attack them, exposing them to violence and destruction of their property.

 

[vegas giants]

They risk their lives if they openly supporting Republicans. The Democrats on the MSM openly attack them, exposing them to violence and destruction of their property.

More made up.nonsense

 

[Novichok]

More made up.nonsense

Just as acting white was invented by KKK. Bad KKK.

 

[vegas giants]

Just as acting white was invented by KKK. Bad KKK.

Sounds racist to me. Not surprising coming from you

 

[Velvet Elvis]

1) American society is systemically racist.

When people say "systemic," they're typically meaning that something is either backed up by laws, or is an instilled belief. Can you give me a single law that differentiates between races? Something concrete. An actual law. If not, then can you explain what is specifically instilled. For instance, the whole "red-lining" scandal in the banks, but that's been removed by laws that prohibit discrimination. So please explain exactly how racism is "systemic" and not just an individual belief.

2) Black people are more vulnerable to poverty.

How so? How is skin color a direct consequence to poverty? Remember...we're talking about race, not culture.

[quote[3) Republicans propose policies that punish poverty.[/quote]
Again...what policies? What policies specifically say that if your economic status is "X," specific punishment is given.

4) Republicans aim to keep wages low.

Explain how the national wage average went from $48k to $52k since 2016 then. Please show your work.

5) Republicans seek to dismantle the social safety net.

Is that why Trump just signed a healthcare EO protecting Medicare recipients?

6) Law enforcement is right-leaning in implementation, and disproportionately targets poor and ethnic minorities and blacks in particular.

Is this where we find out that much fewer blacks are killed by cops than white?

7) The justice system disproportionately punishes black people.

So all those poor, poor black people were really innocent of those crimes?

8) Democrats are generally on the right side of civil rights post-Nixon.

Empty promises aside, what have democrats done for civil rights lately? Biden creating laws that put more blacks in jail? Kamala Harris illegally keeping prisoners in jail to keep prison labor going? How about that welfare reform bill during the Clinton Administration that virtually did NOTHING to reduce poverty?

And now that we're talking about civil rights, did you know that more republicans signed the original bill than democrats? Or that a republican was one of the keynote representatives? Hell, more democrats were against the Civil Rights Act than republicans, at least percentage-wise.

10) Of the two parties, only the Democrats have a plan to increase wages for the working poor that does not reference Trickle Down Economics.

See my point above. Democrats like the poor right where they have them...poor and on the government teat. Who are the enemies of the democrat party? Those who are self-sufficient. Why the hell would democrats want less poverty and risk losing their primary voting bloc?

13) Democrats do not try to restrict voting rights and suppress voter turn-out.

You're really gonna have to prove this one. In a nutshell, Trump wants the status-quo. He supports absentee ballots. He does not support unsolicited ballots. Try actually paying attention. It's the democrats who are attempting to steal this election by mass-mailing ballots in the hopes that the intolerant left hijacks them and frauds the entire system. If people can riot and protest, they can go vote in person. Trump has said absolutely nothing about "suppressing" voter turn out. Don't lie.

14) Black people have a long memory, and it has only been scant decades since the Republicans threw them under the bus with the Southern Strategy.

Is this why Blacks are supporting Trump now, more than ever?
Is this why hispanics are supporting Trump now, more than ever?

Look...just spouting a bunch of unsubstantiated talking points doesn't make them facts.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Are you saying black Americans are stupid?

Isn’t that the only argument Republicans ever make about Black people? Well, that’s not true. In fairness they also tell them to shut up and dribble, and just lay there and be a bullet sponge while sleeping.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Isn’t that the only argument Republicans ever make about Black people? Well, that’s not true. In fairness they also tell them to shut up and dribble, and just lay there and be a bullet sponge while sleeping.

Instead of just (doing as the previous guy) and puking out random talking points, could you specifically explain how what I wrote was not true? I did make sure to include links. Obviously you didn't read them, because you responded way too fast.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Instead of just (doing as the previous guy) and puking out random talking points, could you specifically explain how what I wrote was not true? I did make sure to include links. Obviously you didn't read them, because you responded way too fast.

Do you think you posted a single brand new word in this running gag of conservative ”thinking” on race and party identity and why people vote the way they do? Your current preisdent is warning white women “the projects“ are going to move in and rape them. That is mainstream conservative orthodoxy. It is mainstream conservative orthodoxy to suppress voting in predominantly Black communities. Donald Trump wants Black people to do so well he won’t even let them *think* about moving into the suburbs. Maybe *that* is why, if NOTHING else, Black people are less inclined to vote for Republicans. Just maybe they have seen you for all your stand for and have judged your party correctly without any assistance from you.

but good for you - you posted links from rightwing shitholes and mixed in with some credible arguments on different subjects to mix and match it so you can pretend you’re comin’ at this from some angle other than “HURR DURR JOEBIDEN IS THE REALLY REAL RACIST.”

 

[Yes_Minister]

Because the media and the Left in this country have fed blacks a narrative that they are victims and have nurtured that narrative by telling them, for decades mind you, that the reason they are victimized is Republicans. It is hard to make headway with a group when the start of the conversation is "you're a racist so you need to apologize and then give me everything I want."

The Left treats blacks like children and the media does nothing to stop them.

The GOP has been trying to screw over the black community since the 60s, Lee Atwater gave away the game in the 80s:

Lee Atwater - Wikiquote

en.m.wikiquote.org

Nixon tried to screw them:

Top Nixon adviser reveals the racist reason he started the 'war on drugs' decades ago

"By getting the public to associate hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin... We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, and vilify them."

www.google.com

Reagan did not like them:

How a Historian Uncovered Ronald Reagan’s Racist Remarks to Richard Nixon

Tim Naftali published the text and audio of a taped call, from 1971, in which Reagan described the African delegates to the United Nations in luridly racist terms.

www.google.com

The GOP still tries to screw over black people:

The Secret Files of the Master of Modern Republican Gerrymandering

Newly obtained records and e-mails show that Thomas Hofeller collected data about the voting patterns of Americans based on their race.

www.google.com

What have the GOP done for the black community since 1964? What have they done for Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, George Floyd, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor?

The black community doesn't vote GOP because they know the GOP is hostile towards them.

 

[Yes_Minister]

When are Black Americans going to stop supporting Democrats?

When somebody invents vitamin IQ.

Dog whistles and pseudoscience like "the bell curve theory" is a good reason for black people not to vote GOP.

Stefan Molyneux talking points are the easiest way to say black people are not welcome here.

 

[Dans La Lune]

When people say "systemic," they're typically meaning that something is either backed up by laws, or is an instilled belief. Can you give me a single law that differentiates between races? Something concrete. An actual law. If not, then can you explain what is specifically instilled. For instance, the whole "red-lining" scandal in the banks, but that's been removed by laws that prohibit discrimination. So please explain exactly how racism is "systemic" and not just an individual belief.

100-to-1 crack cocaine disparity, blacks are 20% more likely to be pulled over than whites, blacks receive harsher prison sentences, and black neighborhoods are disproportionately targeted by police.

How so? How is skin color a direct consequence to poverty? Remember...we're talking about race, not culture.

Well, when you lack inherited wealth due to decades of racist policies, when you're less likely to receive job interviews, when your family and neighborhood are ravaged by the criminal justice system, you're going to be more prone to poverty.

Again...what policies? What policies specifically say that if your economic status is "X," specific punishment is given.

You asked, you receive:

How radical Republicans punish poor people

From trying to gut Medicare to overhauling government agencies, the party targets the country’s most vulnerable

www.salon.com

"According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, if House Republicans get their way, more than two million people, many of them young children, will lose access to the food stamp program known as SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program). . . .The goal of these maneuvers is twofold: to stigmatize such programs — racially stigmatize them for white voters — and to make them easier to cut or eliminate. "

" Some 42 million poor and working-class Americans use SNAP benefits to buy groceries. A vast majority of them are elderly, disabled or children. Of the people who are both of working age and able-bodied, most do have jobs. They simply don’t earn enough to feed themselves consistently. These working-age adults already face several requirements and restrictions on how much SNAP aid they can receive. For example, they must register with SNAP and accept any job offered to them, or any training program that they are assigned to. Unless they are older than 49 or raising children, they must also verify, on a monthly basis, that they are working or in job training at least part-time (after a three-month grace period). The new bill would expand these work requirements to include people up to the age of 59, and those with children older than 6. It would also tighten the rules so that anyone who fails to comply loses coverage for a full year the first time, and for three years each subsequent time. "

Explain how the national wage average went from $48k to $52k since 2016 then. Please show your work.

Thanks to progressive policies:

Trump touted low-wage worker pay gains but much of the credit goes to state minimum wage hikes

Trump has touted a 'blue collar boom,' but a big portion of those wage gains for low-income workers are due to minimum wage increases in states

www.usatoday.com

"He’s correct, but Trump left out one thing: a large portion of those gains can be traced to minimum wage increases in more than half the states.

The median wage for the bottom fifth of workers has climbed much more sharply in states that have raised their pay floors than in states that haven’t, according to a study provided exclusively to USA TODAY by the National Employment Law Project (NELP)."

"

During his presidential campaign, Trump at times advocated keeping the federal minimum at $7.25 an hour and other times said that was "too low." In July, the Office of Management and Budget opposed a House-passed bill that would more than double the U.S. base wage to $15.

The administration’s “efforts to reduce taxes, eliminate regulations and implement fair trade deals are driving economic growth and increasing workers’ take-home pay far more effectively and efficiently than legislation like” the house bill, the OMB said. .That measure did not come up for a vote in the Senate, where Republicans have opposed a minimum wage hike for years."

As usual, Republicans try to reap the rewards of progressives while advocating for absolute garbage.

Is that why Trump just signed a healthcare EO protecting Medicare recipients?

You're not very good at this.

Trump Has Told Friends That Gutting Medicare Could Be a Fun “Second-Term Project”

Republicans want Trump to deal with the exploding deficit by gutting the social safety net, and the president is reportedly receptive to the idea.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[noonereal]

When are Black Americans going to stop supporting Democrats?

when teh GOP stops being racist.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Is this where we find out that much fewer blacks are killed by cops than white?

Trump twists stats on police brutality: 'more white people' are killed

President makes remark in CBS interview but research shows Black Americans are up to 3.5 times as likely to be killed by police

www.theguardian.com

"The Guardian’s investigative project The Counted in 2015-2016 that set out to record all people in the US killed by police showed that Black people in America were more than twice as likely to be killed by the police than white people.

And in 2016 Black men ages 15-34 were nine times more likely than other Americans to be killed by law enforcement officers, and they were killed at four times the rate of young white men.

A similar 2016 analysis by the Washington Post also found that African Americans are 2.5 times as likely to be shot and killed by police offers as white Americans.

Another study published in the American Journal of Public Health in 2018 found that African Americans are 3.5 times as likely to be killed by police compared to white people."

So all those poor, poor black people were really innocent of those crimes?

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project

Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance

www.sentencingproject.org

• "More than one in four people arrested for drug law violations in 2015 was black, although drug use rates do not differ substantially by race and ethnicity and drug users generally purchase drugs from people of the same race or ethnicity.15) For example, the ACLU found that blacks were 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites in 2010, even though their rate of marijuana usage was comparable.16)
  
  
• The highest officials in New York City had “turned a blind eye to the evidence that officers are conducting stops in a racially discriminatory manner,” Judge Shira A. Scheindlin concluded regarding the city’s stop-and-frisk tactic, declaring it unconstitutional in 2013.17) The policy, which broadly targeted male residents of neighborhoods populated by low-income people of color to uncover drugs and weapons, was shown to be ineffective, and this assessment was further validated when New York City continued its crime decline after scaling back Stop and Frisk. Yet other localities continue to deploy the practice.18)
  
  
• New York City, like many other cities, remains reluctant to scale back Broken Windows Policing, a public safety approach that relies on clamping down on petty offenses and neighborhood disorder. Between 2001 and 2013, 51% of the city’s population over age 16 was black or Hispanic. Yet during that period, 82% of those arrested for misdemeanors were black or Hispanic, as were 81% of those who received summonses for violations of the administrative code (including such behaviors as public consumption of alcohol, disorderly conduct, and bicycling on the sidewalk.).19) Yet research shows that order-maintenance strategies have had only a modest impact on serious crime rates and have caused great damage to communities of color.20) These strategies also expose people of color to a greater risk of being killed during a police encounter."

There's unfortunately a limit on message length, otherwise I'd have addressed everything in one post.

 

[bongsaway]

As soon as the R's give them a reason to vote republican, which I don't see happening.