whats your solution for poverty

[Catawba]

What I HAVE noticed is the guy in the Whitehouse leading the way straight to his owners at Goldman Sucks - just like the last guy the Uniparty put in there.

Oh yeah, let's see the specific proposals from the last guy for improving early childhood education? As we know this contributes to poverty.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Oh yeah, let's see the specific proposals from the last guy for improving early childhood education? As we know this contributes to poverty.

Early childhood education contributes to poverty? For who, the ones paying for it or the ones getting it?

 

[MoSurveyor]

Early childhood education contributes to poverty? For who, the ones paying for it or the ones getting it?

Obviously "the specific proposals from the last guy" is what he's saying contributes to poverty.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Obviously "the specific proposals from the last guy" is what he's saying contributes to poverty.

You mean the proposals he didn't see yet? How would he know they contributed to poverty if he hasn't seen them?

 

[MoSurveyor]

You mean the proposals he didn't see yet? How would he know they contributed to poverty if he hasn't seen them?

You're saying you have no idea what Jr proposed? That was "the last guy" as far as I know. Did I miss a presidential election somewhere?

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

You're saying you have no idea what Jr proposed? That was "the last guy" as far as I know. Did I miss a presidential election somewhere?

You mean specific to Early Childhood Education? Like this?

"President Barack Obama’s efforts build on sound measures implemented by former President George W. Bush, who directed the Departments of Education and Health and Human Services to support the creation of state-level Early Learning Guidelines. The Bush administration also formed the interagency Early Childhood-Head Start Task Force to work with states to improve program quality and coordination under the Good Start, Grow Smart Initiative."

Increasing the Effectiveness and Efficiency of Existing Public Investments in Early Childhood Education | Center for American Progress

 

[Catawba]

Early childhood education contributes to poverty? For who, the ones paying for it or the ones getting it?

Go back and read the thread to catch up. Its is explained that in 36 other rich nations the thing reduced poverty the most was increasing pre-school education. And when there is less poverty, less welfare is needed.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Go back and read the thread to catch up. Its is explained that in 36 other rich nations the thing reduced poverty the most was increasing pre-school education. And when there is less poverty, less welfare is needed.

If you say so.

So are you saying we need more of it built on the sound measures Bush implemented and Obama continued?

 

[MoSurveyor]

You mean specific to Early Childhood Education? Like this?

"President Barack Obama’s efforts build on sound measures implemented by former President George W. Bush, who directed the Departments of Education and Health and Human Services to support the creation of state-level Early Learning Guidelines. The Bush administration also formed the interagency Early Childhood-Head Start Task Force to work with states to improve program quality and coordination under the Good Start, Grow Smart Initiative."

Increasing the Effectiveness and Efficiency of Existing Public Investments in Early Childhood Education | Center for American Progress

LOL @ "state-level" and "work with states"!

Goodness gracious, we wouldn't want to look at Fed funding for those things so that children in poor states would have the same options. :roll:

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

LOL @ "state-level" and "work with states"!

Are you proposing the Federal Government open up a bunch or early learning centers?

 

[MoSurveyor]

Are you proposing the Federal Government open up a bunch or early learning centers?

From what I saw of Jr's reign he didn't want to spend Fed money on anything except war, including lining corporate pockets to "rebuild". No Child Left Behind? Great idea but just like many other things he did(n't) do, where was the money to support it? What a joke he was.


I wouldn't want states opening up early learning centers, either! That was a Russian plan, not ours. Local control is the only way to go. That doesn't mean I want our poor counties to try to fund all their own education - they can't - any more than I would expect poor states to fund all their own education - they can't, either. Education is a national problem and funding for it can't be completely broken down into 50 small pieces.

 

[haymarket]

poverty as much as liberals say they help and dont and conservatives claim get better by not helping,neither side is right,one side says the only way to help is to subsidize failure,which promotes more failure and laziness,while the conservative ideal tends to rise more out of poverty,it also leaves others even worse off,as simply not everyone is a case of laziness,but rather some dont have opportunities.

i wanna know what everyones solution is.

my solution,is to massively reform the education system and also entitlements.
i for one would eliminate subsidized housing electricity etc,and instead opt for housing projects co-opted from govt spending and charity spending,it wouldnt be free but it would be much cheaper than subsidizing housing costs.i would make those projects available to those who cant afford liveable housing,as well as food both funded by charity and taxes.

my second would be to improve education across the board,we spend more than most countries,yet lag compared to other countries.we can gain alot by ending the beurocratic doe and instead focusing on education for our youth.the second would be to provide atleast vocational training for lower income,many would argue this is welfare,but in reality training the poor not to be poor eliminates future poor,and lessens the burden on the system.our current system simply does nothing to bring them above poverty,just simply hold them there and buy votes.i feel an educated populace would vastly reduce poverty and pay for itself in reduction of welfar cost over time.

1- Get rid of the factory assembly line system of education in America. Truly educate everyone possible to reach their absolute potential and be a productive contributing citizen.

2 - Create jobs for people using government as the employer of last resort if you have to do that.

3- Eliminate all forms of welfare for able bodied and able minded people.

4 - Put a universal birth control agent in the public water system rendering everyone sterile. To get the drug to enable you to reproduce, you need a license after you pass a test, take classes and thoroughly demonstrate your parental competence, skills and abilities.

5 - Find a modern day version of Australia for the number who will not go along or succeed with numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4.

Anything short of that will not work and you will - as the Bible says - always have the poor with you.

I DO NOT think such a program is politically viable in any way shape or form.

 

[MoSurveyor]

1- Get rid of the factory assembly line system of education in America. Truly educate everyone possible to reach their absolute potential and be a productive contributing citizen.

2 - Create jobs for people using government as the employer of last resort if you have to do that.

3- Eliminate all forms of welfare for able bodied and able minded people.

4 - Put a universal birth control agent in the public water system rendering everyone sterile. To get the drug to enable you to reproduce, you need a license after you pass a test, take classes and thoroughly demonstrate your parental competence, skills and abilities.

5 - Find a modern day version of Australia for the number who will not go along or succeed with numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4.

Anything short of that will not work and you will - as the Bible says - always have the poor with you.

I DO NOT think such a program is politically viable in any way shape or form.

I was good for 1, 2, & 3 but, boy, you really took a leap after that! LOL!


We'll always have the poor because some small percent simply don't want to be part of society - for whatever reason. Adding in 4 & 5 won't change that. #5 only moves the problem out of the backyard.

 

[haymarket]

I was good for 1, 2, & 3 but, boy, you really took a leap after that! LOL!


We'll always have the poor because some small percent simply don't want to be part of society - for whatever reason. Adding in 4 & 5 won't change that.

Actually 5 insures that we will no longer have them. And 4 cuts down significantly on their numbers.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

From what I saw of Jr's reign he didn't want to spend Fed money on anything except war, including lining corporate pockets to "rebuild". No Child Left Behind? Great idea but just like many other things he did(n't) do, where was the money to support it? What a joke he was.

You mean the solid base he established and Obama has built upon? That's the joke you refer to?

 

[cannuck]

Oh yeah, let's see the specific proposals from the last guy for improving early childhood education? As we know this contributes to poverty.

I think others have pointed out what the other guy from the Uniparty set up for early childhood education, but I am still waiting for an answer as to how well this is all going and how are these centrally planned initiatives going to actually DELIVER something.

Of course, as you are aware, I just can't see it working in the US unless you get parents very heavily involved, not some government agencies outside of the family. Figure out how to do THAT and you may accomplish something. As I have pointed out, there is more than enough infrastructure already in place, parents just need to use it - and know better how to make use of it.

 

[Catawba]

I think others have pointed out what the other guy from the Uniparty set up for early childhood education, but I am still waiting for an answer as to how well this is all going and how are these centrally planned initiatives going to actually DELIVER something.

No, that hasn't been pointed out. And in answer to your question, that will be up to Congress to implement. It is the progressives that want increased headstart programs and it is the Conservatives that want to cut them. So, as soon as we get enough progressives in Congress that they can override a filibuster, we will get right on that.

Of course, as you are aware, I just can't see it working in the US unless you get parents very heavily involved

That's why I'm glad to have seen the president take so much leadership in that area.

 

[MoSurveyor]

You mean the solid base he established and Obama has built upon? That's the joke you refer to?

Again, what "solid base"? Without the means to carry out recommendations they're basically useless.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Again, what "solid base"? Without the means to carry out recommendations they're basically useless.

I'm quoting the article. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Is $40 billion to much or not enough?

 

[MoSurveyor]

I'm quoting the article. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Is $40 billion to much or not enough?

Where did you pull that rabbit out of? I saw nothing to the tune of $40B, especially from Jr.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Where did you pull that rabbit out of? I saw nothing to the tune of $40B, especially from Jr.

Look it up. Between Fed and State spending it was ~$40 billion in 2008.

 

[MoSurveyor]

Look it up. Between Fed and State spending it was ~$40 billion in 2008.

We weren't talking about state spending. We were talking about Jr. and supporting his positions with Fed spending.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

We weren't talking about state spending. We were talking about Jr. and supporting his positions with Fed spending.

No you said it was not funded. ~1/2 of that was Federal money.

Are you saying it is not enough or that States should not contribute?

 

[Hard Truth]

So why does the Politically Correct Looney Left want us to emulate failed states?

Liberals see the reduction in entrenched poverty and high quality of life in places such as the Scandinavian countries and Germany as the best examples.

 

[cannuck]

Liberals see the reduction in entrenched poverty and high quality of life in places such as the Scandinavian countries and Germany as the best examples.

"Liberals" it seems, fail to remember the last round of idiot-think from industry whereby American businesses tried to adapt Japanese management philosophy in US plants. Of course, what nobody seemed to consider is that WE ARE NOT JAPANESE. Nor are we Germans, nor are we Scandinavians. (Actually, nor am I an American, but that's another topic).

I can tell you from a half century of working in different cultures and countries that very few social policy ideas transfer well across cultural barriers.