What's with cops these days?

[Joe Hill]

Do all cops have to shave their heads to look like Marine recruits? Why does it take 15 large cops to subdue some recalcitrant drunk? Are we headed for total Gitmo in our own communities?

Need help from the police?

Better think twice if you live in
Stark County, Ohio. Sheriff Timothy A. Swanson says his
male officers "did everything by the
book" when they stripped a female
crime victim naked and left her
shivering in a cold jail cell.

Apparently, they didn't like her
"attitude" and they did it for her
own safety. Fun and games in America. Check the following report:

This is common treatment
for women in US jails

There is absolutely nothing unusual about women being stripped naked and left without covering of any kind in cold jail cells for hours at a time. It's a popular humiliation technique used in corrupt police departments throughout the country. If it weren't for this video, a TV local station's news report, and the Internet, no one would know that this particular event ever happened.

Keep in mind that this woman called the police for help after she was assaulted. The piece of self-propelled human garbage who runs this Sheriff's Department is Timothy A. Swanson. He says - and I quote - that the thugs who work for him "did everything by the book. "Everything by the book"

Are we being conditioned for a Police State?

Video on Demand | wkyc.com

It is my impression that the Capitol is now rather more like the Kremlin during Stalin's feisty reign than a place where the citizens used to wander about and feel at home . . . We have made so many enemies all around the world that, in the name of terrorism, a quite effective police state has ever so gradually replaced the old republics." - Gore Vidal, memoirs

 

[stevenb]

Holy crap...

She's gonna get rich pretty quick and easily off those guys... Who should probably lose their badge pretty quickly as well.

 

[Summerwind]

Do all cops have to shave their heads to look like Marine recruits? Why does it take 15 large cops to subdue some recalcitrant drunk? Are we headed for total Gitmo in our own communities?

Need help from the police?

Better think twice if you live in
Stark County, Ohio. Sheriff Timothy A. Swanson says his
male officers "did everything by the
book" when they stripped a female
crime victim naked and left her
shivering in a cold jail cell.

Apparently, they didn't like her
"attitude" and they did it for her
own safety. Fun and games in America. Check the following report:




Are we being conditioned for a Police State?

Video on Demand | wkyc.com

It is my impression that the Capitol is now rather more like the Kremlin during Stalin's feisty reign than a place where the citizens used to wander about and feel at home . . . We have made so many enemies all around the world that, in the name of terrorism, a quite effective police state has ever so gradually replaced the old republics." - Gore Vidal, memoirs

I read about this a few weeks ago and watched the vid which is absolutely disgusting; particularly when you realize that the crime scene they were called to was one in which the woman was the VICTIM! It surprises me though that the end decision of the department was that "everything by the book." Then they need a new book with rules that make a modicum of sense.

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

Well the reason that the cops shave their heads is because anyone could just grab ahold of it.
When I was a bouncer I did the same thing shaving most of my hair off for the same reason.

 

[Lerxst]

First and foremost, having seen the video and read some web stuff on this, I will stand with you guys and state this was a heinous display of police brutality and authoritarianism. This lady was deliberately humiliated and the officers involved as well as the Sheriff should all be punished. This absolutely an example of a citizens worst nightmare coming true.

Now let me address Joe Hill.

Do all cops have to shave their heads to look like Marine recruits?

No they don't, but many do because it lends to a sharp, professional presence in uniform (which has been proven to increase officer safety) and it is an issue of not getting your hair yanked out of your head by a bad guy.

Why does it take 15 large cops to subdue some recalcitrant drunk?

It doesn't. But we know from history you like to go to extremes in order to lend dramatic flare to your posts. We are used to it at this point.

Are we headed for total Gitmo in our own communities?

No, but I think you truly believe we are because it seems that all you do is engross yourself in this kind of research. This is not a common occurrence. And you can't prove me otherwise.

Are we being conditioned for a Police State?

No we are not.

 

[Doremus Jessup]

For shame.

 

[aegyptos]

No they don't, but many do because it lends to a sharp, professional presence in uniform.

It does? Says who? They look like convict themselves or someone trying to get over a bad case of headlice.

I hope the woman gets a multimillion dollar payoff that straps the citizens of that community for years to come. Serves them right for having such a "sharp, professional presence in uniform" lording it over lowly, innocent civilians.

 

[missypea]

Do all cops have to shave their heads to look like Marine recruits?

No they don't, but many do because it lends to a sharp, professional presence in uniform (which has been proven to increase officer safety) and it is an issue of not getting your hair yanked out of your head by a bad guy.

Not sure what the hair statement had to do with the video, but.........my nephew is a cop and wears his hair short for exactly the reasons Jeff stated.

My hubby's not a cop, but he would probably look like one to you with his short hair :mrgreen:

 

[Lerxst]

It does? Says who? They look like convict themselves or someone trying to get over a bad case of headlice.

I hope the woman gets a multimillion dollar payoff that straps the citizens of that community for years to come. Serves them right for having such a "sharp, professional presence in uniform" lording it over lowly, innocent civilians.

That is only your opinion. What does the haircut have to do with any of this?

 

[aegyptos]

That is only your opinion. What does the haircut have to do with any of this?

Read the OP.

 

[Lerxst]

Read the OP.

I read the OP. The haircut remark was irrelevant to the arrest but I addressed it because the thread author was trying to bag on cops in general. You are hitting it on it now. You said short haircuts make cops look like convicts. So do Marines look like convicts? Army soldiers? Or just cops?

And explain how this ANYTHING to do with the arrest and mistreatment of this woman.

 

[aegyptos]

I read the OP. The haircut remark was irrelevant to the arrest but I addressed it because the thread author was trying to bag on cops in general.

If you can address it then it seems natural that anyone else can, too.

You are hitting it on it now. You said short haircuts make cops look like convicts. So do Marines look like convicts? Army soldiers? Or just cops?

While recruits have shaved heads yes, they look like convicts. The purpose of that haircut is to dehumanize them, part of the process of turning them into killers. It dehumanizes cops, too, and makes them look vaguely threatening to civilians. I would like to see cops try to integrate into the society they serve not attempt to stand apart from it. The assertion about having hair short so some bad actor can't grab hold of it is an excuse and not a very credible one.

And explain how this ANYTHING to do with the arrest and mistreatment of this woman.

I'm not sure it does but I'm certain that it doesn't matter whether it does or not. You addressed it and now several others of us have as well.

 

[new coup for you]

My apartment is a tiny island of white middle class homosexuality in an endless sea of impoverished black homophobia (ironically called Nicetown). I think the cops are great. I love cops. I want more cops. Lots more cops.

With missle launchers.

Seriously, cops are awesome.

 

[UtahBill]

The Sheriff's department in Maricopa County, the Phoenix area of AZ, has been sued several times and has paid out many millions of dollars to victims or victims families. You would think that the outrages would stop, but so far, they have not. Phoenix police are a bit better, but not a lot. And I know personally of a situation in one of the nearby towns where several cops are harassing a business that towed/repossessed one of their personal vehicles, something about not making the payments? Who would have thunked it, a cop has to pay for his car like anyone else?
It appears that many of the deputies have, in their minds, "dehumanized" the lesser citizens of the community. Yes, a small part of the population causes a large part of the problems in the community, but to automatically assume that all in a certain part of town are perps is just plain wrong. If they can't do the job with dignity and restraint, then yes, the book needs to be rewritten, and those on the force who have the attitudes should find other work, like prison guard. At least in the prisons, it can be assumed that the "clients" are there because of their crimes. Excepting,of course, the occasional innocent victim who was framed, falsely accused, etc. and then fell victim to overzealous prosecutors.
I have said it before, here it goes again. The profession has some similarities with teaching. You need so many cops, and you can't get enough really good ones, so you take what you can get and hope you can train them on the job a bit to make them better. Problem is, the ones who don't accept the training will cause you the most grief later on. No good cop wants to trust his life to a bad partner.
The area has had quite a few good cops killed, and that can add to the level of fear, but once it gets to the level of paranoia, the person needs to find other work, for his own sanity if nothing else...

 

[Lerxst]

If you can address it then it seems natural that anyone else can, too.

There is a difference in my explaining it from a cops standpoint and somebody just making it a platform to bash cops. Which is what Joe did.

While recruits have shaved heads yes, they look like convicts. The purpose of that haircut is to dehumanize them, part of the process of turning them into killers. It dehumanizes cops, too, and makes them look vaguely threatening to civilians. I would like to see cops try to integrate into the society they serve not attempt to stand apart from it. The assertion about having hair short so some bad actor can't grab hold of it is an excuse and not a very credible one.

Well then you have probably never had to defend yourself in a fight over a gun while a bad guy has a hand full of your hair then. If you are intimidated by a haircut then you have some other issues going on in your life that require attention. A short haircut in the military is not to dehumanize anyone. It's an issue of uniformity. You are stripped of your individualism and you are made into the image of the Army soldier (to use an example). Uniformity.

I'm not sure it does but I'm certain that it doesn't matter whether it does or not. You addressed it and now several others of us have as well.

It has nothing to do with the arrest. It was however used as a pot shot against the cops. You followed suit, I was simply trying clarify whether or not the focus on this issue was legitimate or not.

 

[Lightdemon]

Who was taking the video? The cops? If so, what would be the reason to tape it?

 

[Lerxst]

Who was taking the video? The cops? If so, what would be the reason to tape it?

We have a policy of taping cell extractions and combative inmates so as to protect us from liability. These guys have a retarded policy for dealing with combatives apparently and it will cost them. As it should. There was no reason she should have been treated that way.

 

[Lightdemon]

We have a policy of taping cell extractions and combative inmates so as to protect us from liability. These guys have a retarded policy for dealing with combatives apparently and it will cost them. As it should. There was no reason she should have been treated that way.

Yea, I was assuming that. But obviously it would work better had they actually follow the guidelines. Now it's just going to bite them in the ***. Good thing it works both ways tho.

 

[aegyptos]

Well then you have probably never had to defend yourself in a fight over a gun while a bad guy has a hand full of your hair then.

I wear my hair about an inch and half long. No one can get hold of my hair and I don't look like a thug. Your reason is merely a silly excuse. Cops didn't wear their hair like convicts twenty years ago or for the hundred years before that. The crooks back then had guns and hands to grab hair with too. Nope not buying it. The real reason is to create a look, an aura.

If you are intimidated by a haircut then you have some other issues going on in your life that require attention.

An ad hominem this early in an argument means that are unsure of your position and are feeling a disire to act out.

A short haircut in the military is not to dehumanize anyone. It's an issue of uniformity. You are stripped of your individualism and you are made into the image of the Army soldier (to use an example). Uniformity.

The uniformity goes without saying. The purpose of the shaved head look is to dehumanize the recruit. That haircut is only required in bootcamp, by the way. Once out in the general service, personel can wear their hair long enough to look nice and most lose the convict cut as soon as possible.

It has nothing to do with the arrest. It was however used as a pot shot against the cops. You followed suit, I was simply trying clarify whether or not the focus on this issue was legitimate or not.

If you feel threatened by a few legitimate remarks about the bullet head, convict, thug persona that cops have adopted you may have some issues that would eliminate you from consideration for employment as a cop. (See how easy it is to attack the person and not the argument?)

 

[Lerxst]

I wear my hair about an inch and half long. No one can get hold of my hair and I don't look like a thug. Your reason is merely a silly excuse. Cops didn't wear their hair like convicts twenty years ago or for the hundred years before that. The crooks back then had guns and hands to grab hair with too. Nope not buying it. The real reason is to create a look, an aura.

Lol...if your hair is an inch and a half long I can get a hold of it. :roll: Mine is the same length and I can get a hold of it very easily. And yes cops did wear their hair like that twenty years ago...I have been one for 14 years and the look was instituted well before I got there. The whole look is called command presence...it's a combination of things (hair, sharp uniform, good condition) it's professional, it goes well with the uniformed appearance. I really don't care that you don't buy it. There is no reason to lie about it. There are criminal justice studies that have been done with convicts and one of the things they described about an officer that could increase or decrease risk of assault was a professional appearance. Officers that looked professional were less likely to be assaulted because they looked like they could take care of themselves, that they were not going to be easy to take. This is a fact and it's taught at academies all over the nation. It has been since I entered service.

You don't like the look, it intimidates you or something. Oh well.

An ad hominem this early in an argument means that are unsure of your position and are feeling a disire to act out.

No, you started in making disparaging comments about those in my profession who wear their hair short and looking like thugs and convicts. And you are getting all worked up because I called you on your insecurity. It's not my fault you have trouble dealing.

The uniformity goes without saying. The purpose of the shaved head look is to dehumanize the recruit. That haircut is only required in bootcamp, by the way. Once out in the general service, personel can wear their hair long enough to look nice and most lose the convict cut as soon as possible.

The purpose of the shaved head is not to dehumanize. It's to remove individuality...not human spirit. And your application here isn't even relevant because officers don't shave their head or wear short hair to dehumanize themselves. They do it for two reasons...command presence and officer safety. You don't agree, but so what? You have the right to your opinion and the freedom to be wrong. You are exercising both. :lol:

If you feel threatened by a few legitimate remarks about the bullet head, convict, thug persona that cops have adopted you may have some issues that would eliminate you from consideration for employment as a cop. (See how easy it is to attack the person and not the argument?)

Don't try to project your own issues onto me. It's very transparent. As I noted, you have an issue with the haircut. So? That doesn't mean your personal opinion has any validity when it comes to the institution of law enforcement and why things are done.

You ain't buyin' it? Okay?

:roll:

 

[aegyptos]

Nope, not buying it.

 

[Joe Hill]

Who was taking the video? The cops? If so, what would be the reason to tape it?

To get people used to the idea of cops as Brownshirt thugs in our march to Fascism, IMHO.

 

[Joe Hill]

Here's another one shown widely on the MSM:

Shreveport Woman: Cops Beat Me When Camera Off

Infowars Print Shreveport Woman: Cops Beat Me When Camera Off

DAVID MUIR, KIRAN KHALID AND IMAEYEN IBANGA
ABC News
February 19, 2008

A Louisiana police officer was fired after a woman, who was pulled over on the suspicion of a DWI, ended up with two black eyes and bruises to her face while in police custody in November.

What makes Angela Garbarino’s injuries and situation more curious is the fact that Shreveport police Officer Wiley Willis turned off the interrogation-room camera after he and Garbarino exchanged words.

The video shows Garbarino requesting a phone call.

“You’re not going to let me call anybody?” she asks on the video. “I have a right to call somebody right now and I know that. Is this on the record?”

The footage documents Wiley attempting to read Garbarino her rights, but he runs out of patience and things get tense. He seems to forcefully put her in a chair.

“Don’t touch me again. Get away from me,” Garbarino says after a scream.

Then, Wiley walks over to the police camera recording the booking and turns it off. What happens next is a mystery, but when the video resumes the handcuffed Garbarino is sprawled on the floor and silently lying in a pool of her blood.

YouTube - Shreveport Woman Beat By Cop While In Custody

Taser Nation. What happened to police as civil servants rather than brute enforcers?

 

[Joe Hill]

Nope, not buying it.

Personal safety tip: Don't ever say that to a cop.

 

[Lerxst]

To get people used to the idea of cops as Brownshirt thugs in our march to Fascism, IMHO.

Well, unfortunately for you, and fortunately for the majority of sane and rational people...you are dead wrong. As usual.