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What would the Paris attacks have been like if citizens had guns?

Threegoofs said:
There are no states that forbid CCW.

So I guess you really don't know what your choice is.
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More accurate to say there are states that make obtaining a CCW so difficult that it may as well be forbidden to anyone but the well to do.
 
Threegoofs said:
There are no states that forbid CCW.

So I guess you really don't know what your choice is.
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Sure.

Try getting a CCW in NJ.

If you're not a cop, a retired cop, a multi-bazillionaire, or very politically connected you're not getting a CCW.

Period.

Other states actually sue NJ because our CCW laws are so repressive that NJ case law as precedent degrades 2A freedom nationally.

If you don't want to worry about everyday law abiding citizens carrying firearms then move to NJ.

For my part, as I said, I'm leaving this ****hole.
 
PeteEU said:
Arming people wont prevent attacks like this.

The US has had 294 mass shootings/terrorist attacks this year (up to 1st October).

9956 people have been killed as of 1st of October in gun incidents.. that is 33 a day.

And the US citizen on paper is armed to the teeth.... and that aint helping is it now?
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Where in the world do you get those "statistics" from? :lol:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Seriously?


get a CCW in NJ, MA, NY, CA, HI, IL, etc.
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There are no states that forbid CCW.

I guess you're not happy about them not allowing people who are convicted of a violent offense in the past five years. I think its just common sense.
 
KevinKohler said:
Sorry, but this is bogus. I support everyone's right to arms, but come on, guys! Having a 1911 tucked into your pants does NOT make you a commando, lol! Those shootings were ORCHESTRATED. The terrorists had a plan, and executed. Are they the best of the best, crack troops? NO. But neither is John Q public, no matter WHAT his paper target from the local firing range says. Yeah, you own a gun, and yeah, you go to the firing range, and sure, you might be a fairly good shot.



NONE of the matters in a combat situation that you have not trained for, physically, and mentally. It's not enough to just have a gun. You can't think that simply arming a few french folk would have resulted in a miraculous reduction in body count. WHO has the gun matters more. The terrorists? They trained, for who knows how long, to do exactly what they did. How many of you, and for how long, have trained in a realistic setting to return fire amid a mob of panicking people? An attack like this would have been just as successful in the heart of Texas, simply because we would have been unprepared for it.
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Flight 94... Untrained, unprepared, willing to step up and do what was necessary when the time came. THAT'S what was needed in some of these cases. When a handful of people can line up dozens of others and shoot them like they were sheep in a paddock, there's a problem. After the lessons of 9/11 (especially Flight 94), I doubt that an attack like that would stand a snowball's chance in hell in even the most anti-gun/anti-violence city in America. If this ever happens again in France, my guess is that the French people will rise up and take the fight to the terrorists, instead of complying with them. It's tragic that this lesson had to be taught this way, but I believe that there are enough French citizens who saw the results of what happens when you don't fight back that another attack like this would have a substantially different ending.
 
Threegoofs said:
There are no states that forbid CCW.

I guess you're not happy about them not allowing people who are convicted of a violent offense in the past five years. I think its just common sense.
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You CLEARLY have no Earthly idea what you're talking about.

That's okay though, you're on the Internet, please feel free to continue pretending you're an expert.
 
Threegoofs said:
There are no states that forbid CCW.
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You are being semantical, if a law abiding citizen for no other reason other than "I ****ing want one", get's denied for reasons other than a felony conviction that state is forbidding law abiding citizenz thier rights....

for example:

HI:
1. Show reason to fear injury to his person or property

(but they'll bill you 10 bucks for it to try....)

NJ:
Issuance of the permit is almost completely discretionary, and New Jersey courts have upheld the policy of strictly limiting permits “to persons pecifically employed in security work . . . and to others who can establish an urgent necessity for carrying guns for self-protection.”

CA:
2. That good cause exists for the issuance

MA:
5. You will be required to justify your request in writing. Make your request as detailed and specific as possible. Valid reasons for requesting a concealed handgun include personal threats, being in a high-risk profession or routinely carrying large amounts of cash.



In other words, you can't get one.


I guess you're not happy about them not allowing people who are convicted of a violent offense in the past five years. I think its just common sense.
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not sure where this asinine comment comes from. *shrug*
 
Manc Skipper said:
Not all the 83 gun deaths a day in the USA are suicides. Google can be your friend and save you from embarrassing questions
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Som "83 gun deaths" proves that there are 294 "mass shootings" per year?

Do you expect me to take your word for it?
 
I am sorry but all of you folks are simply wrong. Don't you all realize that France has strict gun control laws that make it very difficult for criminals to get guns?

French gun laws date back to April 18, 1939, though they have been amended a number of times since. They are certainly tough: There is no right to bear arms for the French, and to own a gun, you need a hunting or sporting license which needs to be repeatedly renewed and requires a psychological evaluation.

According to Gun Policy, a project by the University of Sydney, the punishment for illegally having a gun is a maximum of seven years in prison and a fine. In 2012, the French government estimated that there were at least 7.5 million guns legally in circulation.
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Obviously,, these attacks never happened... because gun control works folks.. it really really does.. and we should adopt right now.. because gosh.. it works great in France. :roll:
 
Moderate Right said:
OK, there might not have been much difference in the concert area but what about the other areas?
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That's almost impossible to answer without knowing the layout of the venues or the position of the would be armed victims.
 
Moderate Right said:
OK, there might not have been much difference in the concert area but what about the other areas?
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Morons like ISIS just won't care one way or another.

Handguns against bomb vests and their psycho carriers are worthless - it's not like they wear bright orange signs advertising their diabolical intent.
 
NonoBadDog said:
How can you know that? I have trained people under pressure. We created pressure in our training. The thing that scared the hell out of me is my boss froze up in every scenario we ran through. We had to figure ways to work around it so we spread out his duties and completely took him out of the picture. At that point he was just a warm body that got in the way. He was one in 50. The rest all performed great.
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for exactly the reasons you have stated...I do understand the psychology of response because I understand "people"

thus to say "oh yeah, just arm everyone and things will work out for the best" to me indicates a total lack of understanding of the human psyche...

you may well understand it, you did not present that way
 
_Sal said:
for exactly the reasons you have stated...I do understand the psychology of response because I understand "people"

thus to say "oh yeah, just arm everyone and things will work out for the best" to me indicates a total lack of understanding of the human psyche...

you may well understand it, you did not present that way
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Well if you know people how well do you know yourself? Where did you get "oh yeah, just arm everyone and things will work out for the best"?

Or was it indoctrinated?

Assuming anyone actually wants to arm everyone who are they? Your imagination?
 
Failure of the Belgians to stop the gun trade in East European firearms in their depressed Muslim ghettos is what led to the arming of the terrorists. They need to get their act together.
 
PeteEU said:
Oregon shooting: Statistics behind 'routine' US gun violence - BBC News

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...15-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/

Mass Shooting Tracker
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all three links reference the same source, an activist group who uses a very weak criteria to call something a "mass shooting".

Most of these links in their site are criminal on criminal shootings while engaging in criminal behavior.

The "mass shooting" infers walking into a place and shooting unarmed people such as schools etc.


This is dishonest, not accurate, and a bunch of ****e,.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
all three links reference the same source, an activist group who uses a very weak criteria to call something a "mass shooting".

Most of these links in their site are criminal on criminal shootings while engaging in criminal behavior.

The "mass shooting" infers walking into a place and shooting unarmed people such as schools etc.


This is dishonest, not accurate, and a bunch of ****e,.
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The objective is to promote gun control propaganda not present facts. Unfortunately there are far to many people so enamoured by the foul ideology of servitude to the elite that think they are saving the world. Instead they are the useful stooges, the unwitting destroyers.

Guns do not have a life of their own and gun murder, gun violence are propaganda constructs to reinforce this idiotic idea they do. Anyone who uses these terms is suspect and not sufficiently intelligent to figure that out. Beware of them they are easily influence by lies.
 
Heinrich said:
Failure of the Belgians to stop the gun trade in East European firearms in their depressed Muslim ghettos is what led to the arming of the terrorists. They need to get their act together.
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Do you stop the gun trade like they stop the drug trade? At what point in time will people figure it out that you cannot stop criminals from getting what they want by oppressing law-abiding people. Is it that such people are just natural oppressors and anti-social aberrants who cannot help themselves?
 
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