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What would gun control citizens do???

vegas giants said:
We should not try to reduce gun suicides? Gun control can reduce such suicides and we should do it
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OK so lets completely ban guns in Kalistan. Let them round them all up and use it as a test platform on suicides for a period of three years.. Any bets on how much it reduces it? I say not one bit.
 
Exactice said:
Fear and emotion dictates what Gun control citizens would do. Most are hypocrites in my opinion as such debates happen in my state alllll the time.

1) Many Gun control people that I know, Have NOT even fired a weapon to make a non bias choice
2) Many have not gone through the legitimate training/classes/certifications that are required by law in my state and they still want more laws not understanding the existing ones.
3) Fear of a loud bang is all they need. to justify why its dangerous

Anyways the point to my Bias statement is that.... Like you stated, if and something like that happens....... where our government shuts down and we as citizens are on our own.

80% of the population will lose their damn mind, Within 2 weeks likely the looting will pass all infrastructures will be shut down and major chaos will likely have subsided. the Gun control people have 2 choices, Assimilate with the armed citizens, or lay down and die/perish with the infrastructure.

The remaining 20% are those smart enough to stay out of the chaos and protect whats important. The problem is those that denounced the firearms will be crawling and crying for refuge and demanding protection...... Its hypocrisy because not its convenient for them to demand it. Its convenient to demand now for no guns as the threat is minimal, But when it escalates its convenient to demand for protection......


I have a plan....as "crazy" and "doomsday" as that may sound, it doenst hurt anyone else to be prepared for Red Dawn, or a Massive Natural disaster. the Situation will be exactly the same....and the ensuing demands from those that demand control.... will demand the same....
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Guess they can demand until they are red in the face huh. They are on their own.
 
zsu2357 said:
OK so lets completely ban guns in Kalistan. Let them round them all up and use it as a test platform on suicides for a period of three years.. Any bets on how much it reduces it? I say not one bit.
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Flibbity bippity!
 
vegas giants said:
Red Dawn? That is freaking hilarious. Go get em Wolverine. LOL
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Amazing how you take one little thing out of context and try to make a one liner out of it. Yeah right down to the LOL. How about the Massive Natural disaster? Couldn't come up with a one liner?
Originally Posted by Exactice
I have a plan....as "crazy" and "doomsday" as that may sound, it doenst hurt anyone else to be prepared for Red Dawn, or a Massive Natural disaster. the Situation will be exactly the same....and the ensuing demands from those that demand control.... will demand the same....
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zsu2357 said:
Amazing how you take one little thing out of context and try to make a one liner out of it. Yeah right down to the LOL. How about the Massive Natural disaster? Couldn't come up with a one liner?
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Relax Mad Max. LOL
 
vegas giants said:
Those are all done based on the person and the transaction. Its not about the tool ....its about the person using it. He needs to be sane, law abiding and well trained. Who could be against that? We need to make sure only the right people own guns. A better system....not a perfect one
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No one is against that... people are just saying that "just because you say it doesn't make it so" and that "theories work out differently in reality than they do on paper" ... on paper, that's all great... but it's one thing to SAY this is how things should be... it's another thing for things to ACTUALLY be like that and for people (criminals) to actually FOLLOW those things... those things wont have a noticeable effect on criminals, and not nearly as much of an effect as increased concealed carry would have
 
gfm7175 said:
No one is against that... people are just saying that "just because you say it doesn't make it so" and that "theories work out differently in reality than they do on paper" ... on paper, that's all great... but it's one thing to SAY this is how things should be... it's another thing for things to ACTUALLY be like that and for people (criminals) to actually FOLLOW those things... those things wont have a noticeable effect on criminals, and not nearly as much of an effect as increased concealed carry would have
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Then ignore the paper....year in and year out the top 20 states with lax gun laws have the most gun deaths. We have 25 times higher gun deaths per capita than other first world nations. There is tons more evidence. Gun control works
 
=vegas giants;1067964868]I never asked for your gun control plan. Read it again
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Looked like you did to me.
Here is my plan
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Plan or ban?
Mandatory licensing and registration of guns, license needed to purchase ammo
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Sounds like our friends across the Big Water. Government needs to butt out of what is none of their business.
3 day waiting period on gun purchases
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Is this in case you are pissed at someone or suicidal? If your pissed what is three days? If your suicidal and you have to wait chances are you are going to just find another way.Besides if someone is all that suicidal do you think they are going to go through the hassle to buy a gun?
universal background checks
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Yeah right for all the law abiding since they are the only ones that will play that game. Or do you really think that the criminal element will just line up and get UBCs?
mandatory training
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And of course friends and family won't count in your mandatory training. In other words not cost a small fortune.
Physician reporting to the background check system
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And is this /these doctors experts? http://www.2ampd.net/Articles/horn2/Firearms Malpractice Form.pdf
There is a bloodbath of gun violence going on in this country compared to any other first world nation. Doing nothing is criminal. And if you met these requirement I think you should be able to have any gun you want. You have a right to have a gun....if you are law abiding, sane and well trained. That is just common sense.
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That sounds so crazy. Bloodbath = gangs and suicides. Sure there are accidents with law abiding gun owners but no where near the carnage you would like us to believe.
 
zsu2357 said:
Looked like you did to me.

Plan or ban?

Sounds like our friends across the Big Water. Government needs to butt out of what is none of their business.

Is this in case you are pissed at someone or suicidal? If your pissed what is three days? If your suicidal and you have to wait chances are you are going to just find another way.Besides if someone is all that suicidal do you think they are going to go through the hassle to buy a gun?

Yeah right for all the law abiding since they are the only ones that will play that game. Or do you really think that the criminal element will just line up and get UBCs?

And of course friends and family won't count in your mandatory training. In other words not cost a small fortune.

And is this /these doctors experts? http://www.2ampd.net/Articles/horn2/Firearms Malpractice Form.pdf

That sounds so crazy. Bloodbath = gangs and suicides. Sure there are accidents with law abiding gun owners but no where near the carnage you would like us to believe.
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God some people can not read. I never asked for his gun CONTROL plan. I knew he did not have one of those. Duh
 
Fledermaus said:
Neither are you. You asked for a plan. A well thought out plan is presented. Then you begin your BS.
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You are certainly entitled to that opinion as well. I disagree
 
vegas giants said:
Those are all done based on the person and the transaction. Its not about the tool ....its about the person using it. He needs to be sane, law abiding and well trained. Who could be against that? We need to make sure only the right people own guns. A better system....not a perfect one
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Gotcha, I am totally starting to see where you are coming from, you are actually closer in thought to me than I initially thought.


To give credit to Vegas Giant, He is NOT asking for a Gun Ban, He is not asking for a complete ban, He is asking for effective gun control that is legitimately enforced and has the ability to put a firearm in a truly responsible person.

I can accept this..... I have just one small hole/caveat.


There are many SANE and legitimate people that can own a gun.... But human emotions can change a persons minds..... many of the time you hear "they were such a good person I never knew them to be suicidal" "They never showed signs of violence but just started shooting" The human psyche is fragile and can change at the drop of the dime. So even if a person is well educated, good mental health and responsible. At any point a person can be pushed over the edge and now this legal law abiding citizen can turn in to a mass shooter.


I know you stated a better system again I see a hole in a "better" system, this is why I feel my suggestion of creating harsh consequences for bad actions so it Forces a person to THINK about their actions before they commit it. And the biggest is Early education and treat the 2nd Amendment as that the SECOND right behind the 1st amendment.
 
Exactice said:
Gotcha, I am totally starting to see where you are coming from, you are actually closer in thought to me than I initially thought.


To give credit to Vegas Giant, He is NOT asking for a Gun Ban, He is not asking for a complete ban, He is asking for effective gun control that is legitimately enforced and has the ability to put a firearm in a truly responsible person.

I can accept this..... I have just one small hole/caveat.


There are many SANE and legitimate people that can own a gun.... But human emotions can change a persons minds..... many of the time you hear "they were such a good person I never knew them to be suicidal" "They never showed signs of violence but just started shooting" The human psyche is fragile and can change at the drop of the dime. So even if a person is well educated, good mental health and responsible. At any point a person can be pushed over the edge and now this legal law abiding citizen can turn in to a mass shooter.


I know you stated a better system again I see a hole in a "better" system, this is why I feel my suggestion of creating harsh consequences for bad actions so it Forces a person to THINK about their actions before they commit it. And the biggest is Early education and treat the 2nd Amendment as that the SECOND right behind the 1st amendment.
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I don't disagree with any of that
 
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